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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:27 pm

    in German

    http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,557356,00.html

    for instance, for our friend blut Smile

    Der Gefoulte sollte einen Elfmeter nicht selbst schießen

    Ein Mythos


    Statistisch gesehen ist es egal, wer den Elfer tritt, haben Wissenschaftler der Universität Halle-Wittenberg herausgefunden. Sie werteten alle 835 Foulelfmeter der Bundesliga-Statistik von August 1993 bis Februar 2005 aus. Etwa jeder achte, nämlich 102 davon, wurden vom gefoulten Spieler selbst ausgeführt. Das Ergebnis: Die Erfolgsquote der Gefoulten lag bei 73 Prozent, die der nichtgefoulten Schützen bei 75.

    "Dieser Unterschied liegt im Rahmen der zufälligen Schwankung und lässt nicht auf einen echten Effekt schließen", sagte der Biometriker Oliver Kuß (mehr...), der seine Erkenntnis in der Fachzeitschrift "Journal of Sports Sciences" veröffentlicht hat.

    Also, Gefoulte: Immer ran an den Elfer, er geht statistisch gesehen genauso oft rein wie beim Kollegen!


    lol!
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:32 pm

    How come hardly any of the Bundesliga penalties are taken by Germans?

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    Van der Vaart stets sicher

    Hannovers Szabolcs Huszti war in der vergangenen Saison der Elfmeterschütze Nummer eins: Gleich fünfmal traf der ungarische Nationalspieler aus elf Metern, nur ein einziges Mal ließ er die Gelegenheit ungenutzt und scheiterte an Bremens Tim Wiese.

    Gleich eine 100-Prozent-Quote konnten Sofian Chahed von Hertha BSC und Rafael van der Vaart vom Hamburger SV einfahren: Sie konnten alle vier ihrer Strafstöße auch im Netz unterbringen.

    Einen Fehlschuss (von fünf Versuchen) leistete sich Bremens Diego.

    Elfmeterschützen
    Spieler (Verein) verwandelt/von
    Huszti (Hannover 96) 5/6
    Chahed (Hertha BSC) 4/4
    van der Vaart (Hamburger SV) 4/4
    Diego (Werder Bremen) 4/5
    Maltritz (VfL Bochum) 2/2
    Skela (Energie Cottbus) 2/2
    Tararache (MSV Duisburg) 2/2
    Amanatidis (Eintracht Frankfurt) 2/2
    Freier (Bayer Leverkusen) 2/2
    Rolfes (Bayer Leverkusen) 2/2
    Rafinha (FC Schalke 04) 2/2
    Pardo (VfB Stuttgart) 2/2
    Grafite (VfL Wolfsburg) 2/2
    Ribery (Bayern München) 2/3
    Misimovic (1. FC Nürnberg) 2/3
    Marx (Arminia Bielefeld) 1/1
    Sörensen (Energie Cottbus) 1/1
    Valdez (Borussia Dortmund) 1/1
    Castro (Bayer Leverkusen) 1/1
    Gekas (Bayer Leverkusen) 1/1
    Mintal (1. FC Nürnberg) 1/1
    Kern (Hansa Rostock) 1/1
    Gomez (VfB Stuttgart) 1/1

    Nicht verwandelt:
    Marcelinho (VfL Wolfsburg), Naldo (Werder Bremen) und Wichniarek (Arminia Bielefeld) scheiterten an Wächter (Hansa Rostock), Huszti(Hannover 96) und Toni (Bayern München) an Wiese (Werder Bremen), Diego (Werder Bremen) an Enke (Hannover 96), Frei (Borussia Dortmund) an Benaglio (VfL Wolfsburg), Kapllani (Karlsruher SC) an Starke (MSV Duisburg), Misimovic (1. FC Nürnberg) an Rost (Hamburger SV) und Ribery (Bayern München) an Tremmel (Energie Cottbus). Pantelic (Hertha BSC) traf im Spiel gegen Energie Cottbus nur die Latte, Mijatovic (Arminia Bielefeld) im Spiel gegen Bayer Leverkusen nur den Pfosten und Olic (Hamburger SV) verfehlte im Spiel bei Hertha BSC das Ziel völlig.

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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:34 pm

    Don Leo wrote:How come hardly any of the Bundesliga penalties are taken by Germans?



    because EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY foreign is better

    BY DEFINITION

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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:35 pm

    Unsinn. Ale

    The dominance of statistics has ruined US sports, we really should not adopt that in football. Very Happy

    Besides, penalty takers in the Bundesliga are not representative statistically, show me the stats of the Eredivisie or EPL.
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:42 pm

    Haven't got any accurate stats on the Eredivisie.

    Got this from the topscorers ranking (so excluding penalties taken by players who scored less than 6 goals in total & no info on misses:

    Penalties scored:

    1. N'Kufo (SWI, Twente) 5
    1. Van Dijk (HOL, Utrecht) 5
    3. Perez (DEN, Ajax) 3
    3. Makaay (HOL, Feyenoord) 3
    3. Pranjic (CRO, Heerenveen) 3
    6. Den Ouden (HOL, Excelsior) 2
    7. 8 players with 1 (4 of them Dutch)

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    Don't rate footy stats myself, but think it's intersting that in the country considered best at taking penalties by most of the world, by far the most penalties are taken by 'clueless' foreigners.


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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:43 pm

    I was talking to otto, but good to see that Makaay is still "Mr. Ice" at the penalty spot. Ale
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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:56 pm

    blut , you got pawned

    Smile

    this has been a bad week for you so far

    first, kroesius cuts through your arguments like butter, and now STATS undermine your very certainties about football

    ah well

    there's always : NEXT week

    Laugh
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:58 pm

    Eurottomeister wrote:blut , you got pawned

    Smile

    this has been a bad week for you so far

    first, kroesius cuts through your arguments like butter, and now STATS undermine your very certainties about football

    ah well

    there's always : NEXT week

    Laugh

    and still Blut commands more respect than you do.

    Think about it Ale
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    Post by COTR Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:00 pm

    Eurottomeister wrote:blut , you got pawned

    Smile

    this has been a bad week for you so far


    Basketball

    http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/off-topic-discussion-f8/englanders-t16612.htm

    You're one to talk otto What a Face
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    Post by Ä Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:01 pm

    @axel

    blut still knows more about football than you ever will

    even during a bad week he makes you look like the Delphi of Unterpfurzingen

    think about THAT
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:09 pm

    Eurottomeister wrote:blut , you got pawned

    Smile

    this has been a bad week for you so far

    first, kroesius cuts through your arguments like butter, and now STATS undermine your very certainties about football

    ah well

    there's always : NEXT week

    Laugh

    lol!

    Oh bitte, mach Dich nicht lächerlich Otto.

    That's just plain ridiculous. I can 'prove' anything with stats, besides, those old 'football truths' are nothing but that, and I never claimed them to be scientifically provable. You probably took things too seriously when you should not have.

    P.S.: kroesius and I had different views on a certain subject, and only because you agreed with his view, it doesn't make my arguments less valid. Why are you so bitter otto-lein, have I pissed on your parade too often? Very Happy
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    Post by Puro Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:15 pm

    Eurottomeister wrote:
    because EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY foreign is better

    BY DEFINITION

    Willkommen im Vaterland

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    lol! They are "better" than the locals. They must be doing something right for themselves to have made it accross countries/continents. We have a saying, it goes something like this in English "you can't be a prophet in your own land". It teaches us to leave and make it in a foreign place, then we can return home. Those who had the balls to leave, can return as "prophets". Those who choose to stay like your man ZEROoney will always be muppets. They may have a lot of cash, but will always be a muppet. Ballack, Pizarro, van Nistelroy, and Beckham are "prophets"! Biggrin <Ale>

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