110% wrote:I was talking about terry playing in this particular tournament, not for the future. I couldn't be bothered to quote the relevant bits from yours, pierre's and TS's posts. I think gerrard should definitely retire, no point continuing while Hodgson is manager, and playing a 2-man midfield.
I don't only pick players from big clubs, I think it should be the best player regardless which club he plays for. The best players do tend to play for the biggest clubs though, so excluding those players seems idiotic. I don't have any hatred for shawcross, cleverley etc the way you do for gerrard. If they'd had the season gerrard had just had, I would have been happy to see them in the England team, and I would notice that the manager was a bit clueless about how to get the best out of them.
So basically you think Gerrard should stay and Hodgson should go?
Maybe Terry could have played this tournament with the absence of a promising young player available, but then maybe he shouldn't have retired from international football, he had made himself unavailable for selection. I don't really think it would have made a difference though due to his past performances.
I'm not for excluding players from big clubs, i'm for excluding players that have proven they can't do it at a tournament for us regardless of the club they are at. The best English players often are at a big club, but it's clear that simply being at a big club doesn't mean you are the best choice for the team.
I wouldn't say I hate Gerrard, I hate the way the press treat him, I don't rate him as highly as most, and he has proven in the past to be a pretty unpleasant person. I've no reason to kiss his arse especially when he puts in poor performances.