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    Post by 110% Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:06 am

    I think you underestimate the confusion of having 2 Manchesters. City is probably seen as the B/reserve team of manu, that's why Tevez went there when he was no longer wanted by the A team
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:07 am

    Some other observations on yesterday's Chelsea Man United game unrelated to waffle about the referee Webb (who was undeniably shit and pro United):

    - Chelsea should have won, and would have irrespective of Webb's intervention had Torres scored a quite simple one on one when the score was 3-2.

    -Andre Villas Boas' substitutions get stranger by the game. Why did he , at 3-0, take off Sturridge for Romeu but leave Malouda on the pitch? Malouda was horrible yesterday, truly terrible. He gave away possession for 2 of United's goals. Had Malouda come off Chelsea would probably have won

    - Romeu came on but no one picked up or man marked Paul Scholes, whose introduction in the second half meant United totally bossed possession in midfield (just like the first half of the recent FA cup game against Liverpool) and left Chelsea trying to soak up waves of United attacks when all they needed to do at 3-0 up was keep the ball better and play further up the pitch. Sitting back and allowing United led by Scholes onto them was catastrophic mistake. Especially given Webb seems to have 'a thing' for giving United penalties. Had Chelsea manmarked Scholes and not played so deep they probably would have won.

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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:12 am

    Thus, AVB is far from blameless. Webb played his part, but so did the manager and his misfiring striker
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    Post by fcb Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:33 am

    Agreed re. Romeu, thought he was poor when he came on. Sat deep without really picking anyone up, showed no aggression or intent to win the ball, just floated around.
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    Post by Fey Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:16 am

    Tonight another cracker. The game between two loathsome clubs with both a cringeworthy fanbase and utter cretins as coach.

    Cant wait though!
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:33 pm

    Fey wrote:Tonight another cracker. The game between two loathsome clubs with both a cringeworthy fanbase and utter cretins as coach.

    Laugh Fick you Fey! Fick you!

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    Post by Romford Pele Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:37 pm

    A 4-4 draw tonight would be delightful Ale
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    Post by Luis Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:55 pm

    I'd love it if we just went for it and lined up like this:

    ----------------Reina-----------------

    --Johnson-----Skrtel------Agger--------Enrique---------

    ---------------Spearing-----Adam-----------------------

    -------------------Gerrard------------------------------

    -------Suarez-----------------------Bellamy------------

    ---------------------Carroll---------------------------

    Going to be really tough because Spurs can really hurt you on the counter and I think Johnson and Enrique can be found out a bit when confronted with the pace of Bale for instance. Spurs are in a really great position as well; a lot clear of Chelsea, not expected to win the title so no pressure and can just enjoy their football.

    Would like a bit of revenge though tonight, we got destroyed at WHL and now it's time for payback bitches!
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:14 pm

    Just don't play Kuyt please, he has a habit of scoring against us. And he's Fey's man crush.

    I predict we'll boss possession, assuming we play the following, but you will score at some point, probably on a counter attack (Gerrard/Suarez/Bellamy is a tasty triumvirate):

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    Harry might go defensive and play:
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    but I doubt it, given he could have played that away to City but went for a more attacking formation and should really have paid off with at least a point. That said, Lennon is injured and usually key to playing a standard 4 midfield. Kranjcar is decent but too slow to play like a proper wide player. VDV is also a doubt.

    Will be interesting what he goes for.

    Either way, looking forward to this game. After the Newcastle and Man City games away, it's time we got a decent result away from home against one of the "top" clubs in the league this season
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:29 pm

    Pras_tama wrote:
    The biggest controversy in that game is when Webb didn't sent Cahill off and give the penalty for United in the 1st half. Surely it would be a different story had the red card and the penalty given, don't you think?


    No red card because he is heading away from goal and no pen 'cos it was outside the box.

    That counter only came about because Webb failed to give fouls by Rafael on Torres and Evra on Sturridge.

    But other than that Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:40 pm

    I hope Liverpool get fucking raped tonight. <Ale>
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    Post by worms. Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:53 pm

    ----------------Reina-----------------

    --Johnson-----Skrtel------Agger--------Enrique---------

    ---------------Spearing-----Adam-----------------------

    -------------------Gerrard------------------------------

    -------Suarez-----------------------Bellamy------------

    ---------------------Carroll----------------

    That looks a little too attacking for my liking,I would prefer Kuyt to start instead of Suarez and then unleash the beast in the 2nd half when Tottenham are tired.If Carroll is playing shit then I hope we put Kuyt or Bellamy up front in the 2nd half.

    Maxi Rodriquez is a brilliant player but he only seems to perform at his best when Liverpool are the better team and pressing high up the pitch so if we are dominating late on and need to score he would be a good option to play in that LAM position.

    I don't think we will win though because Tottenham are really good this season and they have been our "bogey team" for the last few years.
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    Post by stinger Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:58 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    Pras_tama wrote:
    The biggest controversy in that game is when Webb didn't sent Cahill off and give the penalty for United in the 1st half. Surely it would be a different story had the red card and the penalty given, don't you think?

    No red card because he is heading away from goal and no pen 'cos it was outside the box.

    That counter only came about because Webb failed to give fouls by Rafael on Torres and Evra on Sturridge.

    But other than that Rolling Eyes
    If foul would be called, it should be a pen - cause initial tackle was indeed outside, but Cahill later (it wasn't follow up of his tackle, more of a cynical 2nd tackle when he saw his initial tackle didn't clear situation 100%) potentially hacked Wellbeck on purpose stopping him of running to the ball which was near him
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:11 pm

    What would be nice is if tonights game isn't mired with another refereeing controversy. It's becoming incredibly tiresome that so many games this season end up being overshadowed by a momentary decision or decisions made by the ref.

    What would also be nice is if Charlie Adam avoided trying to mangle Bale, as he did at Blackpool and earlier this season. An 11 v 11 contest would be nice
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    Post by Luis Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:31 pm

    Apparently the game might be called off as Harry can't get there due to foggy conditions.
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    Post by Pras_tama Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:34 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    Pras_tama wrote:
    The biggest controversy in that game is when Webb didn't sent Cahill off and give the penalty for United in the 1st half. Surely it would be a different story had the red card and the penalty given, don't you think?


    No red card because he is heading away from goal and no pen 'cos it was outside the box.

    That counter only came about because Webb failed to give fouls by Rafael on Torres and Evra on Sturridge.

    But other than that Rolling Eyes

    No red card because he is heading away from goal? Shocked
    Remember the fact that Cahill was the last man in Chelsea's defence

    No pen because it was outside the box? The second tackle which brought Wellbeck down surely happened INSIDE the box

    Rafael won the ball fairly while Sturridge stumble himself
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    Post by fcb Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:43 pm

    From the Guardian's Fiver column:


    Hooray! Luis Suarez is back! Finally, after a month and a half of enforced inactivity for the toothy Uruguayan, we can go back to watching televised Liverpool matches safe in the knowledge that the camera will no longer be able to cut to him sitting in the stands and burying as much of his head as possible into an excessively padded anorak. Better still, we will no longer be forced to think about the problem whose name we dare not speak, and can get on with pretending it has gone away just like we always used to.

    But not only is this great news for humanity, or at least some of it, it's also great news for Liverpool, who will finally be able to call upon the services of their South American silk-toed supremo. But hang on, Liverpool had won 12 out of 22 matches this season before Suarez's ban, which mathematicians (or, in our case, a calculator) will know amounts to a 54.55% win ratio. And they have won five of nine matches since, a ratio of 55.55%. This means that, allowing for a very slender margin of statistical variance of, say, 1%, they have done precisely as well without him as they did when he was in the team. We'll skip merrily over the humiliating aberration at Bolton to observe that this 55.55% wasn't just any old 55.55%, either – the've booted Manchester City out of the Carling Cup and dumped Manchester United out of the FA Cup along the way.

    Clearly his enforced absence was not the season-ending disaster that it first appeared. And, with Tottenham visiting Anfield tonight in the hope of repeating the 4-0 smasheroo they inflicted on Kenny Dalglish's men at White Hart Lane (when a certain Uruguayan was named in Liverpool's starting line-up), it prompts a fairly obvious thought: if Liverpool really want to make something out of this season, could it be that what they really need is something that will simultaneously fuel their peevish yet productive sense of injustice and deny them the wizardlike services of their cultured but apparently not that important after all No7 on a long-term basis?


    Food for thought (no pun intended) Ale
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:07 pm

    Pras_tama wrote:
    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    Pras_tama wrote:
    The biggest controversy in that game is when Webb didn't sent Cahill off and give the penalty for United in the 1st half. Surely it would be a different story had the red card and the penalty given, don't you think?


    No red card because he is heading away from goal and no pen 'cos it was outside the box.

    That counter only came about because Webb failed to give fouls by Rafael on Torres and Evra on Sturridge.

    But other than that Rolling Eyes

    No red card because he is heading away from goal? Shocked
    Remember the fact that Cahill was the last man in Chelsea's defence

    No pen because it was outside the box? The second tackle which brought Wellbeck down surely happened INSIDE the box

    Rafael won the ball fairly while Sturridge stumble himself

    Doesn't matter as there is no mention of "last man" in the law - its about denying a "clear goal-scoring opportunity" and refs tend not to give that if the player is heading away from goal rather than towards it.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:14 pm

    Més que un club wrote:----------------Reina-----------------

    --Johnson-----Skrtel------Agger--------Enrique---------

    ---------------Spearing-----Adam-----------------------

    -------------------Gerrard------------------------------

    -------Suarez-----------------------Bellamy------------

    ---------------------Carroll----------------

    That looks a little too attacking for my liking,I would prefer Kuyt to start instead of Suarez and then unleash the beast in the 2nd half when Tottenham are tired.If Carroll is playing shit then I hope we put Kuyt or Bellamy up front in the 2nd half.

    Maxi Rodriquez is a brilliant player but he only seems to perform at his best when Liverpool are the better team and pressing high up the pitch so if we are dominating late on and need to score he would be a good option to play in that LAM position.

    I don't think we will win though because Tottenham are really good this season and they have been our "bogey team" for the last few years.

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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:18 pm

    Oooh Kaboul, VdV , Sandro, Lennon all out.

    So Harry is going for 2 DM's:

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    Kranjcar------Modric--------Bale
    -----------Adebayor---------------


    Interesting. Will be less fluent than usual without VDV, but should be more solid defensively

    Looking at Liverpools team this game might well get mired in midfield.

    Draw or win all thar counts. Come on you Spurs!
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    Post by worms. Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:23 pm

    Christmas Glenn Hysén wrote:
    Més que un club wrote:----------------Reina-----------------

    --Johnson-----Skrtel------Agger--------Enrique---------

    ---------------Spearing-----Adam-----------------------

    -------------------Gerrard------------------------------

    -------Suarez-----------------------Bellamy------------

    ---------------------Carroll----------------

    That looks a little too attacking for my liking,I would prefer Kuyt to start instead of Suarez and then unleash the beast in the 2nd half when Tottenham are tired.If Carroll is playing shit then I hope we put Kuyt or Bellamy up front in the 2nd half.

    Maxi Rodriquez is a brilliant player but he only seems to perform at his best when Liverpool are the better team and pressing high up the pitch so if we are dominating late on and need to score he would be a good option to play in that LAM position.

    I don't think we will win though because Tottenham are really good this season and they have been our "bogey team" for the last few years.

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    did you just guess the line up, then argue with yourself?

    lol! No that is Luis's suggestion but I was arguing that Kuyt should start ahead of Suarez which he is.

    It looks like Kennys starting with the line up I wanted apart from Kelly playing instead of Enrique who must have picked up a knock.

    So if we get battered in the 1st half I can't blame Kenny this time Crying or Very sad

    But if we dominate the game then you won't hear the last of it cheers
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    Post by fcb Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:36 pm

    Spurs bench Yikes

    Cudicini, Saha, Rose, Nelsen, Khumalo, Luongo, Lancaster.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:43 pm

    ugh, injury to Enrigue is the last thing we wanted with World Bale of the Year in such good form.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:54 pm

    fcb wrote:Spurs bench Yikes

    Cudicini, Saha, Rose, Nelsen, Khumalo, Luongo, Lancaster.

    I wonder why they let so many of their squad players leave at the end of the transfer window (if only on loan). They don't have many distractions from the league, but a few injuries could easily undermine them.
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    Post by Jaime Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:12 pm

    So many cats on football pitches these days! wtf!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:13 pm

    CAT!
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    Post by fcb Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:14 pm

    Jaime wrote:So many cats on football pitches these days! wtf!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Everyone wants to be like Barça Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Jaime Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:16 pm

    fcb wrote:
    Jaime wrote:So many cats on football pitches these days! wtf!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Everyone wants to be like Barça Rolling Eyes

    Laughing

    Probably worms did it.

    Back to the game, I like Livermore every time I see him. Good player! Ale
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:40 pm

    Is this Spurs or Stoke?
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    Post by Jaime Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:48 pm

    Well neither team really seems troubled with the other. Gonna have to add something different in the second half if either is going to make a breakthrough.

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