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Post by Fey on Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:58 pm

It's the luck Guus has that made him a succes!! He did it again!! 3 Dutch coaches at the EC!!! Sorry for the other Englanders, but Pierre has to feel it!

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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:10 pm

I bet it was 2-8-0 in the 2nd half.

He barely managed to "tactically outmanoeuvre" Andorra and, couldn't "outwit" Israel, got trounced 3-0 by the worst england side in years and only beat us on a dodgy pitch due to a laughable penalty.

He couldn't beat Italy at the WC despite the advantage of over 30 mins 11 v 10 and would have got knocked out in the 2nd round of '02 if it hadn't been for corrupt officiating.

He also managed to go to WC '98 with one of the best international squads of all time and not win it or even make the final.

Legend Rolling Eyes
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Post by Since 1888 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:16 pm

And his achievments at PSV, any things other things you want to ridicule.

Just face he is one of the best coaches out there.
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Post by Machiavel on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:17 pm

THERES ONLY ONE GUUS HIDDINK !!

Hiddink >>>>> van Basten Ale
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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:21 pm

Raifael wrote:

Christian Gross >>>>> van Basten Ale

Ale
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Post by Since 1888 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:22 pm

So basicly he was just lucky in all his achievments?
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Post by Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:23 pm

I would have taken him for England easily over Mclaren.
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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:27 pm

Owen wrote:I would have taken him for England easily over Mclaren.

At least we had some exciting matches with McLaren.

With Hiddink you'd get failure (like he does with big teams rather than PSV, Oz etc) and tedious football.


We'd probably play something like this:

...............Carson...............

.......Rio.....Terry.....Campbell..

Richards....Harg.....Barry.......Bridge
......Becks.....Lampard.....Gerrard
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Post by Since 1888 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:30 pm

PSV not a big team. Laughing And Ajax is then according to you?
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Post by Deano on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:30 pm

Well Ajax are much bigger than PSV...
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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:34 pm

Since 1888 wrote:PSV not a big team. Laughing And Ajax is then according to you?

Biggest clubs in Europe (in no order)

Liverpool, Milan, Ajax, Real Madrid.

They're the big 4, no debate.
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Post by Since 1888 on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:35 pm

Might be on name, but PSV is currently much bigger and currently the no.1 club of the Netherlands. To say it isn't a big club though is ridiculous.
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Post by Fey on Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:41 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Since 1888 wrote:PSV not a big team. Laughing And Ajax is then according to you?

Biggest clubs in Europe (in no order)

Liverpool, Milan, Ajax, Real Madrid.

They're the big 4, no debate.

No Bayern??? Bigger then Ajax <Ale>
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Post by Effenberg on Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:12 pm

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Since 1888 wrote:PSV not a big team. Laughing And Ajax is then according to you?

Biggest clubs in Europe (in no order)

Liverpool, Milan, Ajax, Real Madrid.

They're the big 4, no debate.

No Bayern??? Bigger then Ajax <Ale>

Impossible. They're German.
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Post by Fey on Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:23 am

BTW, Guus predicted that Croatia was gonna win...no wonder he didnt had any stress after the Israel game!

I think you don't get closer to god then him...
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Post by robert on Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:26 am

I think Kuyt manages, ever so slightly.
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:30 am

robert wrote:I think Kuyt manages, ever so slightly.

Certinly wasn't blessed in the looks stakes, however...
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Post by Fey on Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:33 am

El Gaffer wrote:
robert wrote:I think Kuyt manages, ever so slightly.

Certinly wasn't blessed in the looks stakes, however...

TS Kuyt is a person who is beautiful on the inside! And he is not that bad of a looker compared to...LRD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FRxDewVlUc

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Post by robert on Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:46 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQDrugTbO0c&feature=related

Kuyt's 1st tip is to tell people to work very hard!
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robert wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQDrugTbO0c&feature=related

Kuyt's 1st tip is to tell people to work very hard!

Legend! Arbeit macht frei...he understands this completely! Working hard is the basic of all!
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Post by EMP on Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:15 am

Russia was a young team in transition - not expected to do great things, yet Hiddink kept them there or thereabouts and it took a debatateable penalty to stop him at last World Cup. Certainly got lucky in 2002, but was on receiving end of it in 2006. He is not a bad coach. What was his\ record as Dutch coach. If Abramovich took a hell of a beating then Wellington et al have just taken a universe of a beating. Really should know better than to suffer premature gloating.
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Post by dont panic! on Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:27 am

russia qualifying had got more to do with england playing utter rubbish in one too many games than hiddink doing anything special...drawing against mazedonia and losing to croatia twice cost us the quali..
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Post by TITO on Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:46 am

You can argue like that for Russia as well.
You cannot say that one team got lucky only because the other team played Cr@p.
Russia also lost some important points in some games. And they dont have "world class" players.
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Post by dont panic! on Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:54 am

TITO wrote:You can argue like that for Russia as well.
You cannot say that one team got lucky only because the other team played Cr@p.
Russia also lost some important points in some games. And they dont have "world class" players.

absolutely..i dont think russia got 'lucky'..not at all..they deserve what they got.....but it obviously helps if your main opponents fail miserably...and hiddink has nothing to do with england failure...
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Post by Isco Benny on Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:36 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:I bet it was 2-8-0 in the 2nd half.

He barely managed to "tactically outmanoeuvre" Andorra and, couldn't "outwit" Israel, got trounced 3-0 by the worst england side in years and only beat us on a dodgy pitch due to a laughable penalty.

He couldn't beat Italy at the WC despite the advantage of over 30 mins 11 v 10 and would have got knocked out in the 2nd round of '02 if it hadn't been for corrupt officiating.

He also managed to go to WC '98 with one of the best international squads of all time and not win it or even make the final.

Legend Rolling Eyes

ok

This only makes it even worse. Hiddink's Russia choke in Israel, scrape a 1-0 against Andorra,

and yet they are in the Euro's, purely because Mclaren's England were even worse.

The fucking Messiah. Not
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Post by Since 1888 on Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:11 pm

So let me get this clear.

Going to the SF finals in the WC with fucking South Korea is not great?
Qualifing with Australia which often was a bridge way too high and then even do very decent at the WC, and getting knocked out by a very very very dodgy penalty.
Reaching the SF with Holland only losing on penalties against Brazil.
Europe Cup 1 win with PSV
Semi final and outplaying Milan with PSV io the semi's.
Qualifing with Russia despite being in a very hard group.

This is all thanks to luck and flucky wins?
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Post by Isco Benny on Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:22 pm

Since 1888 wrote:So let me get this clear.

Going to the SF finals in the WC with fucking South Korea is not great?
Qualifing with Australia which often was a bridge way too high and then even do very decent at the WC, and getting knocked out by a very very very dodgy penalty.
Reaching the SF with Holland only losing on penalties against Brazil.
Europe Cup 1 win with PSV
Semi final and outplaying Milan with PSV io the semi's.
Qualifing with Russia despite being in a very hard group.

This is all thanks to luck and flucky wins?

The past is the past. I wont even go into the fortune handed out to Hiddink's Korea in 2002, or 4-1 thrashing handed out to his Holland team in 1996 or the 10 or so failures of his teams in direct matches versus English teams, because its the past.

My point is, that right now, having to listen to the Press remarking on what a "genius" he has been in guiding Russia to this year's finals just overlooks the fact that he has been offered a huge slice of luck on the way, not least the fact that Mclaren's England have choked and been a shambles rather more than thanks to Russia's, and Hiddink's "brilliance".

Even against an opponent of such ineptitude, Hiddink is through simply thanks to a dubious penalty decision in Russia. A draw in that game and England would be through, itself a travesty considering how turd we have been
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Post by Since 1888 on Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:26 pm

Weren't you the one saying that England having been THAT bad. It's a great achievment when you look how much he has done for Russian football, totally changing the structure of the Russian FA.

The game in Russia though, can't believe that you argue the penalty decision while you had a offside goal allowed.
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Post by Axeslammer on Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:30 pm

I don't know how good Hiddink is, but fact is he keeps beating the odds on a (extremely) regular basis....

I've learned a long time ago never to bet against Hiddink Ale
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Post by Fey on Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:30 pm

Point is...you Englanders are forgetting where this Russia is coming from! It's still not a good team...but you can't deny it has been improved!

BTW:

Hiddink weigerde in te gaan op de mogelijk flinke aanmoedigingspremie die de Kroaten in het vooruitzicht zou zijn gesteld. 'Dat is niet aan mij. Ik respecteer het competitieve element van sport. Kroati heeft zijn ware aard laten zien en ging voor de winst. Het was hetzelfde als wat ik heb gezegd over Isral, dat tegen ons er een echte wedstrijd van maakte.'

Roman gave the Croatians a nice payment if they would win... Biggrin

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