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    Post by DS Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:15 pm

    Okay its almost the half season so what are good , bad , ugly in your team.


    Strangely enough, we’re almost at the end of December now and we still
    don’t know our best xi, our big European xi starting team nor have we
    seen the team play particularly well for 90 minutes over a number of
    games yet.

    Are we a one (Ronaldo) or two (+ Rio) man team is the question being
    asked of us now such has been the general contribution of others in the
    side. Not to say they’ve been poor, far from it, but how many are
    performing to the standards being set by Rio and Ronaldo so far?



    Anyway, mine:

    VDS

    Good: VDS hasn’t been overall shaky like he was at in the second
    half of last season. He and the backline are comfortable with each
    other.

    Bad: His decision making on cross collection and jumping into
    melees at the wrong time. He’s prone to more errors now than he was a
    few years ago, which is understandable with his age.

    Ugly: I personally believe he bottles it in the huge games. It
    was alarming to see him flapping all over the place at Anfield and I
    pray he’s not responsible for any woefulness in the CL’s KO stages.

    Wes

    Good: Has slowly developed his game at RB. He’s still not
    comfortable there, but he’s less of a liability now, particularly when
    going forward, then he was a few months ago. His height, strength and
    extremely hard tackling are great in defensive situations.

    Bad: His crossing still needs to go up a few notches, although I
    doubt it will, he’s not FB. His offensive ended game still stifles us
    down the right.

    Ugly: A very ba tendency to switch off in threatening positions
    where he is the loose man and Rio is point-clicking him because he
    himself is occupied. In those situations Wes can be seen ambling along
    completely oblivious to clear and present dangers like deep runners
    from midfield and late arrivals to the back post which he should be
    alert to.



    Rio


    Good: Has been immaculate at the back. This is his best
    half-season at the club to date, I think. His leadership,
    concentration, aggression and focus on the pitch have all be
    exceptional and it’s not a stretch to say he’s the best defender on the
    planet at this moment in time.

    Bad: ‘The Party’ isn’t going to do him any favours with those
    who already have a perception of him and his alleged extra curricular
    activities..

    Ugly: Our backline when he doesn’t play is a catastrophe. We had better pray he stays fit this time out, especially for the CL.


    Vidic


    Good: Very comfortable as part of a pairing with Rio. Imperious in the air in both boxes and steadfastly does his job.

    Bad: Not aware of his limitations at times, which gets him
    caught out. As a so-called hard-man, he’s easily felled by strong CF’s
    and goes to ground looking for the refs call.. Stam would never do
    that. tongue

    Ugly: He is diabolical against pace. Between that and not being
    aware of his limitations, he gets caught in no-mans land in our half at
    times where you will routinely see him pawing wildly at the quicker
    striker with all he has – this is a red card in a big game waiting to
    happen. He should look to clatter or shoulder charge them with cynicism
    well before it gets to the point where he’s an arm’s length away from
    his man.


    Evra


    Good: The best attacking full-back in the league. His
    consistency and aggression on the attack alarms the sides we play and
    has him overlapping and flooding the left side time and time again.
    He’s much better defensively this season and is up for the fight that
    is the PL.

    Bad: Goes forward irrespective of the situation. Sometimes
    holding his position would be the smarter move – in this way, his flank
    is something which we’re going to be hit on the counter with against
    the elite sides, particularly in Europe.

    Ugly: Exclusively in high profile games he does spastic things
    like clattering into his own man for no particular reason at all. He
    did it when we played Milan last season and has done it a few times
    this year to somewhat less devastating effect this term. I worry about
    that with him in the biggest games.


    Ronaldo


    Good: He’s on the way to becoming an all-timer at the rate of
    progression we’re seeing. Has improved in every aspect from this season
    to last. People saying he’s not doing as well as last season, aren’t
    getting that the greatest players do a lot more with a lot less and
    don’t have to be ever-present during a game to be absolutely stellar.
    His shooting has improved, his timing of runs into the box as well as
    when to go it alone have come on a great deal. And even with the
    conventional winger stuff he’s better at crossing and putting the
    correct balls into the box to fit the situation (i.e low drives,
    cushioned cut-backs to the edge of the box, back or near post crosses,
    in or out-swingers) very nice to see.

    Bad: His conventional dribbling has some way to go and at times
    he’s struggling to take on men quickly and succinctly when his man/men
    aren’t falling for the tricks. His free kicks: For the most part they
    aren’t good enough – needs to hit more of them the proper way, which he
    is actually quite good at, and develop that into an art from – not
    spastically blast the ball into tier 3 every shot or other.


    Ugly: The diving creeping back into his game. Whether he feels
    it justifiable or not, it’s going to be something that needs reining
    in, lest it makes him the pantomime villain again.


    Hargreaves


    Good His free kicks, would be the first thing. I think he should
    take the majority of our FK’s around the box. His pace through the
    centre of midfield is quite special. You don’t see such players in the
    middle very often and along with Zakora, I’d not be surprised in the
    slightest if he’s the quickest central midfielder in the league. His
    running and pressing certainly proved effective verses Liverpool…
    Very good at RB, gives us tactical flexibility.


    Bad: He’s not comfortable with the demands of our passing game,
    nor with being a proper CM with two-way duty in a 4-4-2. Highly likely
    to neglect duties you’d expect of a central midfielder in a 4-4-2 i.e
    running towards the ball anywhere in his vicinity, even if it means he
    abandons his nominal position for period of time – all well and good
    when you have a more positionally aware midfield partner willing to sit
    for you, but not good when you’re the one who’s supposed to be sitting.

    Ugly: His injury problems are quite scary. His positioning in
    danger situations badly needs work (Arsenal, both goals) as a runner,
    he’s fine, but outside of that role (Which we’ve asked him to play most
    times he’s fielded) he looks unsure.


    Scholes


    Good: His ball retention skills are still the best in the league. Still the man for us when it comes to keeping the whole side constant and fluid whilst maintaining high, meaningful possession stats.


    Bad: With his new role, you’re just not going to get many goals
    out of Scholes, and our goal return from central midfield with a bunch
    like we have (Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson and Hargreaves) is going to
    take a monstrous dip without Scholesy contributing.


    Ugly: N/A


    Anderson


    Good: Looks like he’s been at the club for years. Has been
    fantastic as a kid in his debut season in such an important position on
    the pitch. There’s clearly a lot more in his locker than we’ve seen.
    Tremendous body strength, clearly has pace and his tackling has been a
    real surprise. This is the kind of player you expect to pay £17m+ for.


    Bad: His antics when going to ground, the posturing
    gesticulations to get others carded – basic cultural differences he’ll
    iron out with time in England.

    Ugly: His shooting is atrocious, needs to work on that big time.



    Giggs


    Good: Given rest and the correct role in the side, he’s still a
    major influence on us and is still comfortably the best conventional
    dribbler at the club. Good communication with the youngsters is keeping
    them all in line.


    Bad: Not really bad, per se, Giggsy just needs rest and correct
    utilisation these days otherwise he looks spent and aimless at times.


    Ugly. Ryan Giggs doesn’t do ugly.


    Tevez


    Good: Thrown to the lions and survived, whilst returning to
    fitness and getting used to a new team without a pre-season under his
    belt. Tireless worker up-front who produces many turnovers from the
    oppos CB’s and CMs with his tireless work ethic. His link-up play and
    his ball retention are superb at times. Has shown in pockets of play
    what we can look forward to when he’s at his very best.

    Bad: He’s had some shocking misses this season, real shockers
    and by rights, he’d be our league top scorer if he’d put them away. He
    takes far too many extra touches when the early shots are on and is not
    using Ronaldo as the open man enough on counters.

    Ugly: Had a real stinker vs. Arsenal. Apart from that, nothing really.


    Rooney


    Good: His start to the season was looking like electric. Is
    adding more strings to an already considerable bow with his new
    position of #9, whether it’s working remains to be seen.

    Bad: His goal return is off, again, and he’s really struggling to find even footing what with the:

    Ugly: constant injuries. Really ruining the lad’s promising
    start to the season. His consistency is understandably blown right off
    course because every time he finds some form, he gets injured again. I
    hope that’s the last of the injuries for him.


    Kuszczak


    Good: A very good, head-on shot stopper. Anything he can follow
    decisively for trajectory, velocity etc, which requires no real
    thought, but a lot of reflex, he gobbles up very assuredly.

    Bad: His decision making is poor.

    Ugly: His kicking, cross collection and aura of confidence on anything other than shot-stopping is not MUQ.


    O’Shea


    Good: Has looked a much better player this season. I would guess
    part of that has come about with him no longer having to play in
    midfield, he looks much more accomplished at full-back. Although, he
    did have a proper O’Shea-of-two-seasons-ago half against Everton.
    O’Shea is one of the biggest and heaviest players in the league, and at
    long last he is using his size to his advantage. He honestly looks like
    the strongest man in the league next to Samba at Blackburn these days.
    The amount of players he has sent flying this season is right up there
    with the likes of Stuart Pearce years back. He even sent Yakubu flying
    on Sunday!


    Bad: When he’s bad, he’s really bad.


    Ugly : His half vs. Everton on Sunday.


    Pique


    Good: His heading is very good. Has grown into games after looking shaky at the start of matches.


    Bad: His nerves. He’s a much calmer player than we’ve seen so
    far. His lack of pace is greatly overstated – he lacks acceleration,
    which is fair comment. Ends up flat-footed too often.


    Ugly: The mistake he made at Bolton.



    Simpson


    Good: His attacking game is much better than any other RB we
    have except Gaz. Runs both the inside and outside lane of his RM as a
    support and will always offer the overlap.


    Bad: Ball watching. He looks nervous and so wary of making a
    mistake that at times rather than be decisive defensively and make a
    mistake he’d rather stand off and do nothing. He’ll learn with time,
    but situations like the Everton must be much fewer and further between.


    Ugly: His positioning defensively has been really poor. Needs games and experience to iron that out.



    Nani


    Good: Looks like Michael Jackson c. 1984. Has a very dynamic
    edge to him offensively and a good deliverer of crosses from corners.
    Has a long range bomb of a shot on him that may well prove to be the
    best at the club by the end of the season. Very good at direct running
    and a solid conventional dribbler.


    Bad: He’s so erratic. As to be expected from the youngsters
    there’s sporadic periods in games where he looks like a petulant child
    in a playground playing on his own. Nothing maturing won’t iron out.

    Ugly: He’s our Eboue with his antics. All of them need to be
    ironed out or he’s going to become a hate figure for the league at
    large.


    Carrick


    Good: vs. Chelsea


    Bad: too many bad games.


    Ugly: that loss of confidence is quite alarming. Come on lad,
    you’re a Utd player and were an integral part of a PL winning side last
    season, have more belief in yourself, ffs and fight for your place.


    Eagles


    Good: close control, long range shooting, finishing.. he has these things in his locker.


    Bad: I have paperweights heavier and stronger than he is.


    Ugly: watching him get man-handled by stronger players. Won’t make it here.



    Fletcher


    Good: ??


    Bad: He’s been shafted.


    Ugly: How he’s been dumped to the periphery of the squad off the back of looking like a player coming who was starting to look the part at the back end of last season for us.


    Saha


    Good: Shows in pockets of play what he could and should be for us.


    Bad: No one knows what to expect from him anymore. Not many have
    faith he’ll remain fit for any stretch of games.. he’s vital to us if
    we don’t buy another striker. All feels like a huge crapshoot.


    Ugly: Too much pressure on Tevez and Rooney to carry the team because Saha can’t be relied upon.



    Manchester United


    Good: we’re chasing the top spot whilst not playing anywhere close to our best.

    Bad: our frontline is threadbare.

    Ugly: the complete and utter dependence on Rio and Ronaldo – if
    either go down, will we still be in the running for the cups or the
    harder games in the PL?
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    Post by robert Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:26 pm

    Bit harsh imo on the team without Rio and Ronaldo. Sure it is not as good but it is hardly the shambles you make it sound like.
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    Post by DS Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:28 pm

    Not shambles taking about good enough not to concede or scoring , ofcourse that are few games which we will have trouble thats why I said harder games or cups like CL quarter/semi finals or away game at Chelsea or recently game against Liverpool in the league.
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    Post by robert Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:34 pm

    Any team playing in big matches will miss their biggest players, that's the nature of being the biggest player. Don't necessarily think that's an issue of being ugly or having too much dependency.

    I mean if we had players as good as Rio and Ronaldo to stand in for them then they would either be in our starting line up instead of the former 2 or be plying their trade elsewhere.

    Every team has major go to guys who will be missed if they are absent, impossible to have symmetry between the stand ins and the regulars.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:48 pm

    robert wrote:Any team playing in big matches will miss their biggest players, that's the nature of being the biggest player. Don't necessarily think that's an issue of being ugly or having too much dependency.

    I mean if we had players as good as Rio and Ronaldo to stand in for them then they would either be in our starting line up instead of the former 2 or be plying their trade elsewhere.

    Every team has major go to guys who will be missed if they are absent, impossible to have symmetry between the stand ins and the regulars.
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    Post by S4P Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:52 pm

    Huddlestone plays a different role to Ronaldo and the party animal TS. Ale
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    Post by Deano Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:54 pm

    Ledley King returns and Tottenham are a better team. One man team Ale
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    Post by S4P Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:55 pm

    Scott Parker wrote:Ledley King returns and Tottenham are a better team. One man team Ale

    It's Fulham at home FFS! They only ever play one good away game each year (which of course turns out to be Stamford Bridge). For everyone else it's bread and butter time. Ale
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    Post by Deano Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:57 pm

    Did you have a wonderfulham christmas S4P?
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    Post by S4P Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:59 pm

    No I had a $h!t one. Fucking O'Neil and his "If we get 15 decisions it won't make up for last week". Well you got one today dipshit, in the 90th minute and all.

    Everyone moans about Mourinho and Liverpool fans (myself included), but this guy's a moron.

    I take it you had a spurtacular christmas deano?
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    Post by Deano Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:01 pm

    S4P wrote:No I had a $h!t one. Fucking O'Neil and his "If we get 15 decisions it won't make up for last week". Well you got one today dipshit, in the 90th minute and all.

    Everyone moans about Mourinho and Liverpool fans (myself included), but this guy's a moron.

    I take it you had a spurtacular christmas deano?

    lol!

    Yes Ale Though a $h!t Boxing Day...Though seeing Robert Green about to deck Stephen c**t was fantastic Ale
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    Post by S4P Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:05 pm

    I wish Green had decked c**t. He'd have been made a hero.

    What did c**t do? The usual "I'll collide into you and pretend I'm innocent" or has he got some new tricks up his sleeve? Ale

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