Should Arsenals next signing be English?

parks lives wrote:
& your saying it would be impossible to do that with an English player. Look at Spurs -

Dawson - £4 million
Carrick - £2.75 million
Lennon - £1 million
Defoe - £6.5 million

at the time spurs were mediocre, they would never get players of similar calibre again for a similar price imho as people have seen how successful their acquisitions have been

Obispo wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:So although Fergie doshed out 18 mill for Carrick- he has a player now who he can guarantee will be there for a long while and allow him to build a long term plan, whereas if he had splashed out less on, say, a player like Mascherano, the guarantee of his commitment is going to be far less

the same carrick whose just shat on spurs?

You call leaving for a £16,000,000 profit "shitting on" a club? It was a deal that everyone was happy with.

the point is obispo RWP was trying to say that carrick will be there for years to come just after he left a progressive prem side for man utd whose to say that another big club don´t come knocking in a few years and he leaves and in my words sh¡ts on utd.

I can't see Carrick leaving United he is 25 all ready and in a top 2 side. The only place he would go is abroad but i can't see it. This was teh biggest move of his career

top 2 side for how long though

Ahh...here we go.

Wenger's English XI (on a budget)

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Young Davies Woodgate Baines
O'Neil Barton Nolan Downing---
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-------------Stead ----------------

would cost less than Drogba.

Hardrada wrote:"British players" is the wrong term. It should be "ENGLISH players". I couldn't give a shit about ManU having Giggs and Fletcher. In terms of football, England, Wales, NI and Scotland are totally different. Arsenal are an English club.

re the original question:

I dont think Arsenal have to buy Englanders, but it would be nice. I prefer Chelsea to have English players and Im sure that really most Arsenal fans feel similarly. I can see Wenger's problem, because English players are very expensive (in general) [see A.Johnson/Carrick].

I'd actually prefer to have no Englisdh players, they're trouble

Glenn Hysen wrote:Wenger's English XI (on a budget)

-------------Green----------------
Young Davies Woodgate Baines
O'Neil Barton Nolan Downing---
-------------Dunn----------------
-------------Stead ----------------

would cost less than Drogba.

i doubt that v much, and we were talking of improvement thats mid table mediocrity

@ batman

LB - Leighton Baines - Doubt it
CB - Richards £10m - far too expensive
CB - Ferdinand £10m+ - far too expensive
CM - Barton - plays the Cesc role, are you saying hes better than cesc? thought not....
CM - Hargreaves - Yes

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:top 2 side for how long though

Franky boy,

I was saying is that once english players have joined the big 4 (Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool - ie CL teams), they rarely tend to move on from them. Certainly not between them, unlike the type of deals you see between, say, the top teams in Italy.

I see where you are coming from re: Carrick dropping Spurs for United, but to him, this is like his final stop- I doubt he will go anywhere else in his career now, unless he is forced out because of personal circumstances or because he cant get in the 1st team.

Glenn Hysen wrote:Wenger's English XI (on a budget)

-------------Green----------------
Young Davies Woodgate Baines
O'Neil Barton Nolan Downing---
-------------Dunn----------------
-------------Stead ----------------

would cost less than Drogba.

What kind of budget are we talking about ??

The press have rated Nolan £8m, Downing £10m and Davies £8m and still Bolton, Boro and WBA dont want to sell. I think that team would cost a fair bit to put together. Also Baines wouldnt be for sale and neither would O'Neil as both clubs have lots of cash.

Batman wrote:If Ashley Cole signs for Chelsea this week should Wenger then try and sign an English player?

Do English players make any difference in terms of team spirit?

Because SAF is British he seems to like to sign British players, is this a disadvantage because British players cost alot? Spurs would disagree. Dofoe, Carrick, Lennon and Robinson didn't cost that much.

Man Utd have 12 British players in the first team squad. More then Liverpool and Chelsea i think.

Foster
Bardsley
Neville
Ferdinand
Brown
Carrick
Giggs
Scholes
Richardson
Fletcher
Rooney
Smith

It is disgraced all those foreigners at Arsenal! Bad for English football...

great comment ricardo... good to see u have put a lot of thought into the situation

@ sgoater... glenn is just messing.. ignore that team

Batman wrote:If Ashley Cole signs for Chelsea this week should Wenger then try and sign an English player?

Do English players make any difference in terms of team spirit?

Because SAF is British he seems to like to sign British players, is this a disadvantage because British players cost alot? Spurs would disagree. Dofoe, Carrick, Lennon and Robinson didn't cost that much.

Man Utd have 12 British players in the first team squad. More then Liverpool and Chelsea i think.

Foster
Bardsley
Neville
Ferdinand
Brown
Carrick
Giggs
Scholes
Richardson
Fletcher
Rooney
Smith

by the way here you missed out David Fones and O'shea (Irish - British should still count as a home grown player especially given Irelands connection with the northern industrial towns)

COTR wrote:@ sgoater... glenn is just messing.. ignore that team

i don´t think he is messing, it really proves the point why wenger doesn´t buy british, cos the goats figures prob aren´t far away

he should make a english signing yes.

at the moment its going to be a foreign 16 every week.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

COTR wrote:@ sgoater... glenn is just messing.. ignore that team

i don´t think he is messing, it really proves the point why wenger doesn´t buy british, cos the goats figures prob aren´t far away

well yep this true.. i was referring more to the drogba bit... the price of the team glenn posted would be frightening

so if they don't buy british why don't they produce british rather then robbing other teams of their young foreign players

poiuy1 wrote:so if they don't buy british why don't they produce british rather then robbing other teams of their young foreign players

arsenal are the most technical team in the league (by quite some distance)... to succeed in arsenal's team you need to have exceptional technical ability... defensive midfielder and centre back being about the only exceptions... not many young english players will be technically sufficient to meet arsenal's requirements... pennant is excellent but did not succeed at arsenal (probably because he was an idiot) but anyway this may be a reason why arsenal don't seem to have as many young english players breaking through....

@ tweedle.. who have they got... gilbert...walcott??????

poiuy1, we did this the other day, due to the regs on youngsters travelling to training they have to compete with a large no. of other clubs, west ham, chelsea, spurs, etc., whilst they haven´t necessarily been hugely successful over recent years their whole youth system was totally re-vamped about 6 years ago, so the benefits of that are probably still to be realised as most of the players coming through from the v early ages were already in the system when the re-vamp took place

cotr gilbert on loan at cardiff

ricardojol wrote:

Batman wrote:If Ashley Cole signs for Chelsea this week should Wenger then try and sign an English player?

Do English players make any difference in terms of team spirit?

Because SAF is British he seems to like to sign British players, is this a disadvantage because British players cost alot? Spurs would disagree. Dofoe, Carrick, Lennon and Robinson didn't cost that much.

Man Utd have 12 British players in the first team squad. More then Liverpool and Chelsea i think.

Foster
Bardsley
Neville
Ferdinand
Brown
Carrick
Giggs
Scholes
Richardson
Fletcher
Rooney
Smith

It is disgraced all those foreigners at Arsenal! Bad for English football...

How can it be a disgrace. Wenger is only trying to build the best team possible of winning some silverware.

If the English players were of a better standard and cost less then maybe their would be a few more in his team.

="sgoater"IMO it doesnt matter what the nationality if they love the club and give their all like Bergkamp did.

The only time City have fielded an all foreign 11 was vs U*d and we won 3-1.

nope you had sinclair playing goater, he scored remember and did'nt u have fowler playing aswell?

somebody said anton is'nt proven he is proving himself every game

but would cost 5m+

@ punty.. has ferdinand proven himself enough to pay the 8-10 million it would take to buy him... buying him would be like buying davies.. you get potential rather than the finished article... yes he could easily get these players and they would no doubt do well but there are much better deals and options around

The likelyhood is that they will spend (or atleast bid) 10 million plus on Ribery - an unproven player who has had a single good season.

They were willing to pay upto £17million (approx.) for Reyes, who again, was largely unproven.

What then, is the issue, with paying £8 Million for a largely unproven English player (Davis) who, like Ribery, has had a solitary good season.

Davis is actually younger, alot cheaper and more urgently needed.

Sgoater1 wrote:
What kind of budget are we talking about ??

The press have rated Nolan £8m, Downing £10m and Davies £8m and still Bolton, Boro and WBA dont want to sell. I think that team would cost a fair bit to put together. Also Baines wouldnt be for sale and neither would O'Neil as both clubs have lots of cash.

it's irrelevant as I can't see Wenger actually persuing any of them - perhaps Woodgate/Davis - point is, I'm sure Wenger would buy British if there was anyone suitable.

COTR wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:so if they don't buy british why don't they produce british rather then robbing other teams of their young foreign players

arsenal are the most technical team in the league (by quite some distance)... to succeed in arsenal's team you need to have exceptional technical ability... defensive midfielder and centre back being about the only exceptions... not many young english players will be technically sufficient to meet arsenal's requirements... pennant is excellent but did not succeed at arsenal (probably because he was an idiot) but anyway this may be a reason why arsenal don't seem to have as many young english players breaking through....

@ tweedle.. who have they got... gilbert...walcott??????

so why can't Arsneal get the Talent in at an early age around 10 or whatever and train them to be technical players its no excuse. The reason they don't produce players is because they don't put enough into it, the easy way out is to rob other teams youth systems.

Why should anyone care?

They play the most attractive style of football in the league, it is Wengers fault that young English players aren't technically gifted enough?

The REAL issue is the need to invest in technical training at grass routes level -English kids are not allowed to express themselves and become bogged down in positional and tactical play....

poiuy1 wrote:by the way here you missed out David Fones and O'shea (Irish - British should still count as a home grown player especially given Irelands connection with the northern industrial towns)

Ireland hasnt been in Britain since partition (in December 1922 I think).

Furthermore, its still totally irrelevant as ManU/Arsenal have no responsibility towards British players, only English ones.

Obispo wrote:The likelyhood is that they will spend (or atleast bid) 10 million plus on Ribery - an unproven player who has had a single good season.

being used just to prove your point? i really doubt he´ll go to Arsenal