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When Diego Armando Maradona was appointed the new coach of the Argentine national team he immediately affirmed that either Juan Román Riquelme (30) or Juan Sebastián Verón (33) will "coach" his side inside of the field. Maradona admitted that having one of the two players in his starting XI is essential, and that Argentina's game plan will be centred around one of them, heading into the 2010 World Cup.
With the restart of the World Cup qualifiers in March, Maradona has sufficient time to think which of the two players better suits his style, as well as the tactics he is willing to adopt. Both Riquelme and Verón are exceptional players, and although both are aging, they are both expected to feature in South Africa 2010. The truth is, no Argentine playmaker has been good enough to replace either of these players.
In recent years Argentina have tested several different playing styles. In the 2007 Copa América in Venezuela, both Riquelme and Verón led the midfield with great success. Although both players are more comfortable when playing at a slower tempo, this benefited Argentina in the tournament, as they were extremely stable in the midfield (except for in the final with Brazil), and it provided their attackers, particularly Lionel Messi, with more freedom when moving forward.
But in the World Cup qualifiers, Alfio Basile decided to cut Verón from the squad, and Riquelme became their only anchor man. This approach seemed to work at the beginning, but as the matches went by (particularly the more difficult ones), Riquelme couldn't make an impact, as Argentina struggled a great deal. Eventually, poor results led to Basile's resignation, and he was replaced by Maradona.
For now it is unknown whether Maradona with utilize both players at the same time. Both Riquelme and Verón were in extraordinary form last season, and it was no surprise that Verón was named South American Footballer of the Year for 2008, while Riquelme finished as the runner up. Despite their years, Maradona can't afford to leave them out (Argentina are evidently stronger with them both).
Right now they are two of the most consistent players in the Argentine First Division. Riquelme has finally returned to his best with Boca Juniors, and Verón has been brilliant with Estudiantes de La Plata. Both players have attracted ongoing interest from abroad, but aren't thinking of leaving their respective clubs. Despite lucrative offers, what has greatly influenced their decision to stay in Argentina, is that it allows both players to be closer to Maradona, making their availability more certain.
Looking ahead to the big picture, both players are expected to play key roles, as Argentina intend to claim their first World Cup since 1986 in South Africa. But are they the right players to lead Argentina to such success? Are there any other players worthy of replacing them?
We ask you, the reader, who should "coach" Argentina inside of the field: Riquelme or Verón? Are both players capable of playing together? Will this be of greater benefit or a disadvantage for Argentina? Who should captain the side? Or is it time for Argentina (Maradona) to give more opportunities to their emerging stars?
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Veron, Roman needs a team adapted for his needs.
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Maradona has said he will play a 4-4-2 formation with Gago and marsh covering the defense, so i don't see where either of them will fit in.
---Maxi-------Gago---Marsh---?
----------Messi----?
---Maxi-------Gago---Marsh---?
----------Messi----?
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Rodney Marsh?
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Allez les rouges wrote:Rodney Marsh?
yes
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Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi??
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi??
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
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The problem with Argentina is that they almost have too much talent!
They'll end up like England and play players with reputation rather than being right for the system IMO
They'll end up like England and play players with reputation rather than being right for the system IMO
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Crespo is useless now Bluey! And surprisingly he hasn't been linked with any other club in this transfer window.
Veron is more adaptable, but he'll be 35 in 2010 which is really pushing it. Would be nice to see him there though.
Veron is more adaptable, but he'll be 35 in 2010 which is really pushing it. Would be nice to see him there though.
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bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi??
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
Aguero is Maradonna's son in law of after all
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BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Crespo is useless now Bluey! And surprisingly he hasn't been linked with any other club in this transfer window.
Veron is more adaptable, but he'll be 35 in 2010 which is really pushing it. Would be nice to see him there though.
Argentina don't really have a new Crespo.
IMO they could do someone with a bit of strength to lead the line. Otherwise they'll always come a bit unstuck in major international tournaments
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Tweedle wrote:The problem with Argentina is that they almost have too much talent!
They'll end up like England and play players with reputation rather than being right for the system IMO
I think that is one of the reasons they hired maradona, they wanted someone who could tell the players to set on the bench and maradona is the only one that can tell the likes of kun,roman and messi that.
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bluenine wrote:
Mascheranoor Cambiassoand Ledesmaor both??
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bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi?? None
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
--------------------Pato
---Zanetti---demichelis-----Milito----Papa
--Maxi-------Masch---Gago-----Di Maria/?
----------Messi-----Milito/Crespo
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Messiah wrote:bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi?? None
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
--------------------Pato
---Zanetti---demichelis-----Milito----Papa
--Maxi-------Masch---Gago-----Di Maria/?
----------Messi-----Milito/Crespo
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borocooper wrote:Messiah wrote:bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi?? None
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
--------------------Pato
---Zanetti---demichelis-----Milito----Papa
--Maxi-------Masch---Gago-----Di Maria/?
----------Messi-----Milito/Crespo
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Maradona should try to find out what works best Aguero or Messi with Milito. they need Milito upfront even if he isn't as talented those two. I agree with Pierre that Ledesma should be tried because while i think Gago has the talent Ledesma is better and unlike Gago he can also give the killer ball needed when Argentina aren't playing a playmaker.Messiah wrote:bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi?? None
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
--------------------Pato
---Zanetti---demichelis-----Milito----Papa
--Maxi-------Masch---Gago-----Di Maria/?
----------Messi-----Milito/Crespo
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Messiah wrote:borocooper wrote:Messiah wrote:bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi?? None
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
--------------------Pato
---Zanetti---demichelis-----Milito----Papa
--Maxi-------Masch---Gago-----Di Maria/?
----------Messi-----Milito/Crespo
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Just seems to be the done thing lately.
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Messiah wrote:bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi?? None
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
--------------------Pato
---Zanetti---demichelis-----Milito----Papa
--Maxi-------Masch---Gago-----Di Maria/?
----------Messi-----Milito/Crespo
Get Samuel in there instead of Demichelis.
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I was trying to come up with a team as close as possible to the one maradona will use, so thats why i placed demichelis in there, ,(maradona is a fan of his and as said he is as good as any defenser out there), but if it wasn't him it would be Gonzalo/Garay, the stopper combo (milito and Samuel) won't work IMO are Samuel>Milito.
My team would look like this
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--Zabeleta----Gonzalo------Milito*-----?
-----------Masch-------Cambiasso
-------Messi--------Kun-------Di Maria
-------------------Milito
= Aces
* if injury permits, if not then Samuel.
The rest of the squad.
lazio Keeper
Zanetti
Garay
Samuel
Heinze
Gago
Veron
Roman
Tevez/Maxi
Levezzi/Maxi
Cruz
Back up
Crespo
Ledesma
Diaz
All that = WC2010 victory.
My team would look like this
--------------------Pato
--Zabeleta----Gonzalo------Milito*-----?
-----------Masch-------Cambiasso
-------Messi--------Kun-------Di Maria
-------------------Milito
= Aces
* if injury permits, if not then Samuel.
The rest of the squad.
lazio Keeper
Zanetti
Garay
Samuel
Heinze
Gago
Veron
Roman
Tevez/Maxi
Levezzi/Maxi
Cruz
Back up
Crespo
Ledesma
Diaz
All that = WC2010 victory.
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Tweedle wrote:The problem with Argentina is that they almost have too much talent!
They'll end up like England and play players with reputation rather than being right for the system IMO
I agree. Just from this board (we've had "Argentina's best formation" threads in the past) you can see how many different formations people come up with as they're spoilt for choice on who exactly to pick and what roles some of them should play. And when you consider their coaches also change, even the system is not fixed in place, whereas England historically have a 4-4-2, Holland a 4-3-3, etc.
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Messiah wrote:I was trying to come up with a team as close as possible to the one maradona will use, so thats why i placed demichelis in there, ,(maradona is a fan of his and as said he is as good as any defenser out there), but if it wasn't him it would be Gonzalo/Garay, the stopper combo (milito and Samuel) won't work IMO are Samuel>Milito.
My team would look like this
--------------------Pato
--Zabeleta----Gonzalo------Milito*-----?
-----------Masch-------Cambiasso
-------Messi--------Kun-------Di Maria
-------------------Milito
= Aces
* if injury permits, if not then Samuel.
The rest of the squad.
lazio Keeper
Zanetti
Garay
Samuel
Heinze
Gago
Veron
Roman
Tevez/Maxi
Levezzi/Maxi
Cruz
Back up
Crespo
Ledesma
Diaz
All that = WC2010 victory.
No Guiterrez?
Am actually quite curious does Maradona's Argentina play with wide men or is it a packed midfield with width provided by the fullbacks?
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It's shocking isn't it!!
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Khadrim wrote:Messiah wrote:I was trying to come up with a team as close as possible to the one maradona will use, so thats why i placed demichelis in there, ,(maradona is a fan of his and as said he is as good as any defenser out there), but if it wasn't him it would be Gonzalo/Garay, the stopper combo (milito and Samuel) won't work IMO are Samuel>Milito.
My team would look like this
--------------------Pato
--Zabeleta----Gonzalo------Milito*-----?
-----------Masch-------Cambiasso
-------Messi--------Kun-------Di Maria
-------------------Milito
= Aces
* if injury permits, if not then Samuel.
The rest of the squad.
lazio Keeper
Zanetti
Garay
Samuel
Heinze
Gago
Veron
Roman
Tevez/Maxi
Levezzi/Maxi
Cruz
Back up
Crespo
Ledesma
Diaz
All that = WC2010 victory.
No Guiterrez?
Am actually quite curious does Maradona's Argentina play with wide men or is it a packed midfield with width provided by the fullbacks?
Nobody knows for sure yet, because I think they've only had 1 game so far. If he does play a 3-5-2 though, then Jonas and Maxi are no-brainers for the wingback positions IMO.
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Khadrim wrote:Messiah wrote:I was trying to come up with a team as close as possible to the one maradona will use, so thats why i placed demichelis in there, ,(maradona is a fan of his and as said he is as good as any defenser out there), but if it wasn't him it would be Gonzalo/Garay, the stopper combo (milito and Samuel) won't work IMO are Samuel>Milito.
My team would look like this
--------------------Pato
--Zabeleta----Gonzalo------Milito*-----?
-----------Masch-------Cambiasso
-------Messi--------Kun-------Di Maria
-------------------Milito
= Aces
* if injury permits, if not then Samuel.
The rest of the squad.
lazio Keeper
Zanetti
Garay
Samuel
Heinze
Gago
Veron
Roman
Tevez/Maxi
Levezzi/Maxi
Cruz
Back up
Crespo
Ledesma
Diaz
All that = WC2010 victory.
No Guiterrez?
Am actually quite curious does Maradona's Argentina play with wide men or is it a packed midfield with width provided by the fullbacks?
In his 1st match is used maxi and Jonas so i'm guessing he will be using wingers.
I forgot all about Jonas, but he still won't make the squad,people are making it seems as if he as been WC since arriving at NC,All the players in his position are better than him, the one thing he as going for him is that he offers argentina something different.
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-----------------Romero
------Garay----Gonzalo----Milito
---------------Mascherano
Maxi-------------Gago-----------Jonas
-------Messi--------------Aguero
----------------Higuain
Rest of the squad:
Carrizo
Zanetti, Demichelis, Heinze (even tho he is shit)
Lucho/Banega, Cambiasso, Riquelme
Milito, 2 of Zarate/Lavezzi/Tevez, 1 of Cav/LL
------Garay----Gonzalo----Milito
---------------Mascherano
Maxi-------------Gago-----------Jonas
-------Messi--------------Aguero
----------------Higuain
Rest of the squad:
Carrizo
Zanetti, Demichelis, Heinze (even tho he is shit)
Lucho/Banega, Cambiasso, Riquelme
Milito, 2 of Zarate/Lavezzi/Tevez, 1 of Cav/LL
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Calidad wrote:-----------------Romero
------Garay----Gonzalo----Milito
---------------Mascherano
Maxi-------------Gago-----------Jonas
-------Messi--------------Aguero
----------------Higuain
Rest of the squad:
Carrizo
Zanetti, Demichelis, Heinze (even tho he is shit)
Lucho/Banega, Cambiasso, Riquelme
Milito, 2 of Zarate/Lavezzi/Tevez, 1 of Cav/LL
interesting system, it could work but i would need milito instead of Higuain.
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Messiah wrote:Calidad wrote:-----------------Romero
------Garay----Gonzalo----Milito
---------------Mascherano
Maxi-------------Gago-----------Jonas
-------Messi--------------Aguero
----------------Higuain
Rest of the squad:
Carrizo
Zanetti, Demichelis, Heinze (even tho he is shit)
Lucho/Banega, Cambiasso, Riquelme
Milito, 2 of Zarate/Lavezzi/Tevez, 1 of Cav/LL
interesting system, it could work but i would need milito instead of Higuain.
Romero is definitely the best Argie keeper about atm. AZ keep loads of clean sheets, and I don't think he has let in a goal at home since the first day of the season.
Decent pace at the back Garay is fast while Milito & Gonzalo aren't turtles. Garay is good on the ball too.
Maxi + Jonas = pace/creativity on the flanks but both are defensively astute.
Masch + Gago/Cambiasso/Lucho/Banega etc = solidity/possession in the middle
front 3 - let them do their own thing
Not a huge fan of 3 at the back, but I think it's a system that suits Argentina atm, and it worked well at the WC (with a less squad imo than the one I have just posted)
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BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Messiah wrote:bluenine wrote:Riquelme or Veron or both??
Mascherano or Cambiasso or both??
Zanetti or Lucho or both??
Tevez or Zarate or Lavezzi?? None
Crespo or Aguero or Milito?
Interesting problems to have....
--------------------Pato
---Zanetti---demichelis-----Milito----Papa
--Maxi-------Masch---Gago-----Di Maria/?
----------Messi-----Milito/Crespo
Get Samuel in there instead of Demichelis.
Or Gonzalo, who pisses over both.
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Messiah wrote:Calidad wrote:-----------------Romero
------Garay----Gonzalo----Milito
---------------Mascherano
Maxi-------------Gago-----------Jonas
-------Messi--------------Aguero
----------------Higuain
Rest of the squad:
Carrizo
Zanetti, Demichelis, Heinze (even tho he is shit)
Lucho/Banega, Cambiasso, Riquelme
Milito, 2 of Zarate/Lavezzi/Tevez, 1 of Cav/LL
interesting system, it could work but i would need milito instead of Higuain.
3 at the back with 1 DM and no wingbacks won't work IMO.
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