Who will Tevez be playing for next season?

I don't see the harm in Liverpool playing 4-4-2 in some games if they brought another quality forward.

Man Utd this season have played:

4-4-2

4-3-3

4-2-3-1

4-2-2-2

4-3-2-1

4-4-1-1

4-5-1

I think Tevez will play in Spain or Italy if Man United doesnt come up with something for him.

Batman wrote:I don't see the harm in Liverpool playing 4-4-2 in some games if they brought another quality forward.

Man Utd this season have played:

4-4-2

4-3-3

4-2-3-1

4-2-2-2

4-3-2-1

4-4-1-1

4-5-1

Rooney and Ronaldo can play anywhere in the front 4. Torres, Gerrard, Tevez can't, not at such a level.

Gerrard can play in various positions, CM, AM, DM, RM, LM

for example:

borocooper wrote:Tevez has started 17 league games for Man Utd..and he's going to win his 2nd league title medal and possibly his 2nd CL winners medal. Why would he not like being there?

Were you out of the country last week Coop ?

Batman wrote:Gerrard can play in various positions, CM, AM, DM, RM, LM

for example:

DM?
RM? . . . . . . . . . LM?
Gerrard

Torres . . FW?


Gerrard . . CM? . . CM? . . LW?

Torres . . FW?


RW . . Gerrard . . CM . . LW?

Torres . . FW?


CM . . . . CM . . . . CM

Gerrard . . . FW?
Torres

1: Mascherano and Alonso shouldn't be broken up and they don't need an extra CM in there to help, the balance is good already. So that leaves 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1.

2: Gerrard is better in the centre + Torres has worked better alone up front. Gerrard is decent on the wing, but why change what is already working better? Free role allows him to be less predictable and to be involved in any fast breaks.

3: The flexibility can come purely from the wide players, Rafa and many others have said the spine of the team is there - ie he doesnt want to add to it. So if he needs to change the balance of the team, fullbacks can push on to attack more or the wingers (or Gerrard) can drop deeper into midfield. Alternatively, he can give them different roles, Kuyt on the right for example playing completely different to Benayoun on the right.

4: Kuyt will always be in the team, so you would have to stick his name into those formations for it to be realistic.

What i would realistically like to see is:

. . . . . . . Torres

new LW. . . . .Gerrard. . . . . Kuyt

Mascherano. . . .Alonso

Subs: new back-up striker, Riera, Benayoun, new back up CM.



Gawd I hate the silly season.

Liverpool or Chelsea should go for him. He's better than Babel/Riera + Anelka.

Calidad wrote:Liverpool or Chelsea should go for him. He's better than Babel/Riera + Anelka.

He's a better left winger than Riera? Really?

Don't think you always have to start with Mascherano and Alonso at home.

Utd play with Carrick as our DM player, he is more similar to Alonso than Mascherano.

. . . . . . . . . . Alonso
Benayoun . . . . . . . . . . Riera
. . . . . . . . . Gerrard

. . . . . Torres . . . . . . FW?


Ronaldo at Man Utd
Zidane at Real Madrid
Pires at Arsenal

started from the wing but still scored and created a lot of goals for their team.

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Batman wrote:Don't think you always have to start with Mascherano and Alonso at home.

Utd play with Carrick as our DM player, he is more similar to Alonso than Mascherano.

. . . . . . . . . . Alonso
Benayoun . . . . . . . . . . Riera
. . . . . . . . . Gerrard

. . . . . Torres . . . . . . FW?


Ronaldo at Man Utd
Zidane at Real Madrid
Pires at Arsenal

started from the wing but still scored and created a lot of goals for their team.

United don't play like that. They always have 2 deeper central midfielders. That formation would be suicidal, home or not.

Manchester United's parent company, Red Football Joint Venture, has made a pre-tax loss of £44.8m ($65.6m) largely due to interest payments on its debt.
The figures cover the 2007/08 season, when United won the Premier League and Champions League, and take the Red Football's debt from £604m to £649.4m.
Red Football Joint Venture was set up when the Glazer family borrowed heavily to buy the club for £790m in 2005.
Group turnover for the year was £256.2m, an English club record.
It was up from £210m the year before, and operating profit was up £5m on the previous year.
'Global brand'
The football club enjoyed a successful 2007/08 - with television revenues made from the improved Premier league deal and Champions League final run, sell-out games at the 75,000 capacity at Old Trafford, and all its other commercial revenues.

MAN UTD FINANCES 2008 Match-day revenues - £101.5m Media revenues - £61.5m Commercial operations - £64m Transfer profits - £21.8m Season ticket holders - 63,000

"The turnover is spectacular, which is what you would expect from a season when they won the Premier League and Champions League," said Harry Philp, financial analyst at Hermes Sports Partners.
Match day revenues were up from £92.6m to £101.5m, while media income was up by close to 50%, from £61.5m to £90.7m. Meanwhile, the club's commercial operations generated £64m.
"The company continues to explore new commercial opportunities within the United Kingdom and overseas to further leverage the Manchester United brand," it said in a statement.
The club said it had four elements to increase its financial growth; maintaining playing success, treating fans as customers, leveraging the global brand, and developing club media rights.
Manchester United also made a profit of £21.8m on player transfers.
Sponsorship renewal
During the year, Manchester United also increased its stake in club TV station MUTV, to 66.7% "in order to have greater influence over the future strategy of the channel".
In season 2007/08, it also signed a number of new commercial partners - including Saudi Telecom, Diageo, and Seoul Metropolitan Government - and renewed deals with Budweiser, Travelcare, and GSK.

On a group basis, the debt to the hedge funds is soaking up the profits from the club playing side Harry Philp, Hermes Sports Partners

Recently shirt sponsor AIG, the insurance firm bailed out by the US government, announced it would not renew the deal when it ran out at the end of the 2009/10 season.
Reports say the firm may be on the verge of a new deal with Prudential, and Mr Philp said that whoever the club signs up with, they will match or improve on the £56m AIG package.
"They will be able to negotiate at least at the level of the AIG deal," he said.
The club also said that for season 2008/09 it had 63,000 season ticket holders, which includes executive box supporters.
Borrowings
However, it is the level of debt that will be of concern to some United fans.
Red Football Joint Venture made interest payments of £68.8m on total loans of £692m in 2007-08.
The senior debt of £511.6m is secured against the club and its assets.

Sell-out games at Old Trafford have filled football club coffers

When the Glazers borrowed in 2005 to take over the club, some £152m was loaned originally by hedge funds at a 14.25% interest rate. These "payment in kind" loans are now worth £175.5m and are secured against the Glazer family equity.
"On a group basis, the debt to the hedge funds is soaking up the profits from the club playing side," said Mr Philp.
"The intention would have been to try and renegotiate those loans, but the current financial circumstances have made that difficult.
"That debt is a ticking time bomb that they have to pay off."

I posted this a few months back when the figures were released and made a comment on how this may impact Uniteds transfer kitty, a club with £650m of debt, making a loss shy of £45m in the clubs most successful season (excluding this one) since '99, include the recent handsome levels of capital having been provided for outlandish transfer budgets over the last number of years to build this United squad, and this cannot be sustainable irrespective of the high revenue streams, particularly when those high levels of revenue are not generating an operating profit!

Whatever way you want to paint the picture the club has to deliver profitable years on a consistant level to cover the loans interest. Man United will have to draw the purse strings inevitably tight and look to slash some of their cost from the books - my question here simply is, is the Tevez saga in direct correlation because of the financial ratifications the club are experiencing, my opinion is firmly in the yes camp.... having posted the above article way back before the Tevez conflict gathered any real momentum.

I also suggested a company can look to offload assets to generate some income, such as Madrid did when selling their training ground to finance the Galactico's era, will United sell Ronaldo free up some cash which some again inevitably will go towards the company's debts.

I genuinely feel United cannot continue with their recent seasons transfer policies of spending large amounts, continue financing their loan AND generate the profits required to pay off the loan.... its simply not feasible.

Tevez is for me one of the United casualties, and i predict there will be a trimming of their squad this summer to help balance the books, to what extent of course is dependent on the confidence within the club to get back in the black.

Success on the pitch may very well be a welcome diversion from whats happening off it, because its quite conceivable the club is rotting from inside out.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5330758,00.html


Sir Alex Ferguson insists it is not the time for Manchester United to be 'careless about money' as the club look to keep Carlos Tevez.



- Even from the horses mouth in todays press...



I'd be very concerned if i were a United fan.

I thought they were generating an operating profit but that it was all being gobbled up by the interest on the loans, particularly the hedge funds...?

Football Genius wrote:http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5330758,00.html


Sir Alex Ferguson insists it is not the time for Manchester United to be 'careless about money' as the club look to keep Carlos Tevez.



- Even from the horses mouth in todays press...



I'd be very concerned if i were a United fan.

I wouldn't read too much into this. They are talking about signing him so clearly have at least £20 million to spend.

The problem is the company that own tevez know about 4,000 clubs want him so they can get more than United want to spend.

I fully expect United to spend a fortune again this summer. They have already spent close to £20m on two unknown kids and Batman says they are signing another unknown kid for £6m. These are three signings the public won't even remember and Fergie will add at least one if not two more big name signings to give the United fans something to talk about. The most likely at the minute being Valencia and Tevez / another striker or playmaker.

I think he means recession time rather than in big debt we're fucked time FG. But he signed what 50 mill on Berba tosic and some other bloke. Now that is a bit careless considering as of yet nothing has improved the team out of that 50 mill. But in time hopefully i guess.....

Stimulus Package wrote:I thought they were generating an operating profit but that it was all being gobbled up by the interest on the loans, particularly the hedge funds...?

I think you're probably right! servicing the interest on those loans is a trend that isn't going to change though, the fact remains something has to give in order to service the interest on the debt that the club carries...

You're a smart guy, i'm sure you can weigh up the predictable cost cutting exercise so many other large companies are conducting as a result of the 'recession' - what makes this for me a further mockery is United are not in this situation due to the 'global economy' rather due to the way the club has been financed during the take-over, so in effect their financial bubble they live in was chosen by them!

Ultimately no business can sustain that level of consistant expenses, something has to give, and most bets would go on personnel or 'assets' both come back to the same point in the scenario, the playing staff.

L-r d wrote:I think he means recession time rather than in big debt we're fucked time FG. But he signed what 50 mill on Berba tosic and some other bloke. Now that is a bit careless considering as of yet nothing has improved the team out of that 50 mill. But in time hopefully i guess.....

You miss the point LRD, you MADE £20m in the transfer market in the last financial year, and yet still you made a loss of £45m.. all these figures are in the above article.

My arguement is, because you still made a loss - the strategy has to change, and this summer justifying £32m on Berbatov and £20m on two serbian kids may not be an option as those levels of cash may very well find themselves allocated to servicing the more pressing need which is interest from the loans primarily with a view perhaps to tackle that enormous £650m initial loan after interest repayments have been met.

Its like you getting a mortgage not making enough money to pay for your monthly repayments, getting that money from an overdraft... this is not a consistantly sustainable course of fiancial action.

Football Genius wrote:

Stimulus Package wrote:I thought they were generating an operating profit but that it was all being gobbled up by the interest on the loans, particularly the hedge funds...?

I think you're probably right! servicing the interest on those loans is a trend that isn't going to change though, the fact remains something has to give in order to service the interest on the debt that the club carries...

I imagine so - they've increased the revenue and operating profits of the club but still seem about 20-30 million a year short of just servicing the debt let alone being in a position to pay it back.

You're a smart guy, i'm sure you can weigh up the predictable cost cutting exercise so many other large companies are conducting as a result of the 'recession' - what makes this for me a further mockery is United are not in this situation due to the 'global economy' rather due to the way the club has been financed during the take-over, so in effect their financial bubble they live in was chosen by them!

Not sure I entirely agree with you. I think the Glazers were dumb to borrow money at over 14% and such a high level indicates that the hedge funds loaning the money weren't that confident in the business plan. However, all the early reporting had them intending to refinance those loans at a lower interest rate once they'd gained control of the company/club, but because of the 'credit crunch' and 'global recession' it's even harder to get people to invest in a football club now than it was back in 2004-5 when they took over, and so they are lumbered with 175 million of debt costing nearly 25 million a year just to service.

Ultimately no business can sustain that level of consistant expenses, something has to give, and most bets would go on personnel or 'assets' both come back to the same point in the scenario, the playing staff.

Well, Giggs, Scholes and Neville are all due to retire at the end of next season I think, so that's maybe 200K a week (10 million a year) off the books. I think you're right about Tevez, or rather, I can't see Man U having Tevez and Ronaldo next season, I think it's a case of one or the other.

Silly Little Girl wrote:Carlos
Tevez
always
my hero

Alignment fail.

Silly Little Girl wrote:Carlos
Tevez
always
my hero

Heterosexuality fail.