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    Robben or Ribery - whos more scary for the enemy?

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    vote, do you prefer in your team........

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    Post by Kroos Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:08 pm

    who do you think is the

    better player -----------ribery
    better finisher----------robben
    better passer ----------ribery
    more vision------------ribery
    better freekick-taker--robben
    easier to take out of the game---robben
    better team player-----ribery
    better "can do spezial things" to decide a game----equal

    what do you think?
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    Post by TM Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:26 pm

    Robben > Ribery IMO. He just happens to be made out of glass and hence will only ever live up to a small fraction of his true potential.
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    Post by L r dd Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:49 pm

    Both overated players who couldn't cut it at big teams.
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    Post by Since 1888 Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:10 pm

    Yeah Robben was really a total failure at Chelsea and Real. Not overrated, just injury prone.
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    Post by Fade out Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:14 pm

    Robben for club

    Ribery for NT
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    Post by L r dd Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:19 pm

    Since 1888 wrote:Yeah Robben was really a total failure at Chelsea and Real. Not overrated, just injury prone.

    Neither team will remember him in 10 years.
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    Post by Kroos Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:22 pm

    lol robben would rape out the shit of any current player in his position chelsea and real have

    malouda, cole <<<<< robben

    and what the hell of an player has real in left/right midfield ? gutI??
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    Post by Fade out Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:23 pm

    robben in current Real team...can't stop drooling. It's a sham he got sold.
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    Post by Super Progress Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:52 pm

    Robben was great for Chelsea and played quite well for Real aswell. His big problem is injuries really. Other then that he is a world class player. With that said im happy we sold him because he was too expensive a bench player and he would probably have caused problems if he was put on the bench.

    If I had to choose between Ribery and Robben for Real Madrid then I would pick Ribery. Robben was too selfish and direct to function in our team and for a winger he just didn't produce enough chances for others. Of course for Bayern it won't be a problem if somebody can just make up for that problem.
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    Post by L r dd Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:56 pm

    World class players don't find themselves on the bench often.
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    Post by Calidad Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:57 pm

    I just love watching Ribery play. He's always full on enthusiasm and determination, and combine that with his natural ability, I think he's a fantastic player.
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:35 pm

    Özil wrote:who do you think is the

    better player -----------ribery
    better finisher----------robben
    better passer ----------ribery
    more vision------------ribery
    better freekick-taker--robben
    easier to take out of the game---robben
    better team player-----ribery
    better "can do spezial things" to decide a game----equal

    what do you think?

    Ozil

    Did you see that Rooney scored his 14th goal in 14 games for Man United, 21 goals so far just in the league?

    And you ask what else there is to his game - try watching his control to hold the ball up and pass to Nani before accelerating 50 yards up the pitch and scoring with his first touch without breaking his stride.

    Robben or Ribery - whos more scary for the enemy? 2_0_rooney-newzstz

    Are you getting it yet? It's HUMILIATING

    Carry on hyping up Bayern's two massively inconsistent players instead.

    for the record, Ribery over Robben. Robben lacks a World Class footballing brain, despite having all the technical skills necessary.

    Both better than any German winger though, so it's a start Ale
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:39 pm

    Heck of a finish.
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    Post by OrangeSky Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:36 pm

    Why must we chose? They play so well together.

    Ribery has become quite injury prone as well. So that is not even really a advantage Ribery has over him. I would probably take Ribery over Robben as well, love how well Ribery makes everyone around him look. What he has done in France and Germany has been amazing, so consistent, just a powerhouse player in every sense of the word.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 pm

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    Post by Antarion Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:47 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:basler

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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:05 am

    Spider Crouch wrote:

    for the record, Ribery over Robben. Robben lacks a World Class footballing brain, despite having all the technical skills necessary.


    Interesting perspective you bring up here, and I think one that gets overlooked far too many times when discussing whether players are world class or not or even simply good.

    I think it is the footballing brain that guarantees longevity also. Nesta has one. Totti has one as well (despite being not so bright off the field).

    I think between Robben and Ribery, if I had to decide on raw talent, then I would say Robben. Very direct player with amazing speed and ball control. However, Ribery's career has been more consistent for obvious reasons.
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    Post by King Modric Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:06 am

    I'd rather have Robben. I find it funny that the Madridista press were all clamouring for Ribery last summer and now that Robben gets to play in the Bundesliga, it's clear that he's easily Ribery's equal. Arjen has proven himself in the EPL and La Liga where Ribery is completely unknown. Beyond that, Robben is frightening on the dribble and his direct style is very effective. Its easy to call him selfish but given the crap he had to work with last year, I don't blame him.
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    Post by OrangeSky Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:41 pm

    King Pipita wrote:I'd rather have Robben. I find it funny that the Madridista press were all clamouring for Ribery last summer and now that Robben gets to play in the Bundesliga, it's clear that he's easily Ribery's equal. Arjen has proven himself in the EPL and La Liga where Ribery is completely unknown. Beyond that, Robben is frightening on the dribble and his direct style is very effective. Its easy to call him selfish but given the crap he had to work with last year, I don't blame him.

    Before Robben was sent to Bayern, Ribery was playing for Bayern. Ribery has been the best player in the entire German league for me, he single handly masterminds Bayern's attacks and their reliance on his capabilities used to be shocking. I realize the French league is not the best league in the world, but people did know about Ribery when he was in France as well. Hard to compare two players and formulate an opinion when you only watch one though Wink
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    Post by Torrente Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:21 pm

    King Pipita wrote:I'd rather have Robben. I find it funny that the Madridista press were all clamouring for Ribery last summer and now that Robben gets to play in the Bundesliga, it's clear that he's easily Ribery's equal. Arjen has proven himself in the EPL and La Liga where Ribery is completely unknown. Beyond that, Robben is frightening on the dribble and his direct style is very effective. Its easy to call him selfish but given the crap he had to work with last year, I don't blame him.

    This is a point I kept making last season when people kept attacking Robben for being too selfish. If one looks up and has Raul, Gago, and Drenthe in front of them, you'd be crazy to want to pass the ball. Not to mention, solid players like VdV and Sneijder were pretty crap last season as well, so no big desire to pass to them either.

    Robben is certainly selfish, but no more than the likes of Ronaldo and Arshavin. Selfishness is usually an intrinsic quality for players that are great dribblers (even Messi is selfish, but not as bad as the ones above).

    At this stage Robben is far ahead than Ribery for me. Robben has proven himself in two of the biggest leagues and he's had at least one great tournament with his country (Euro 2004).

    Robben also has that fear factor that no other player besides Messi has at this moment IMO. With Robben you only feel relaxed if he has more than two players in front of him (like the army that Benitez put on him in the CL). Otherwise he can just take players on for fun.
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    Post by King Modric Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:35 pm

    OrangeSky wrote:
    King Pipita wrote:I'd rather have Robben. I find it funny that the Madridista press were all clamouring for Ribery last summer and now that Robben gets to play in the Bundesliga, it's clear that he's easily Ribery's equal. Arjen has proven himself in the EPL and La Liga where Ribery is completely unknown. Beyond that, Robben is frightening on the dribble and his direct style is very effective. Its easy to call him selfish but given the crap he had to work with last year, I don't blame him.

    Before Robben was sent to Bayern, Ribery was playing for Bayern. Ribery has been the best player in the entire German league for me, he single handly masterminds Bayern's attacks and their reliance on his capabilities used to be shocking. I realize the French league is not the best league in the world, but people did know about Ribery when he was in France as well. Hard to compare two players and formulate an opinion when you only watch one though Wink

    I worded that poorly. Ribery is unknown insofar as whether he can cut it in those leagues which IMO are tougher than the others. Both have shown their quality in the Bundesliga but Robben has already proven himself in England and Spain where Ribery has not.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:47 pm

    At their best - Robben without a doubt.

    His form From November 2004 to Febuary 2005 was possibly the most dominant stretch that I've seen from any player in the Premier League.

    I like Ribery too, but he's not done it in a big 3 league.
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    Post by Isco Benny Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:18 pm

    But Damien Duff was also hot shit during that period too. Worth thinking about that.

    I think Robbem is, in terms of natural individual talent, an exceptional player.

    But , even in his time at Chelsea, he would run with the ball alot and banged a fair few goals in, but he never showed that footballing nous that you see from the very top players, ie bringing other players into the game, threading passes inbetween defenders, being the fulcrum of attacks, that kind of thing.

    He was a lot like a fleet footed Forrest Gump - give him the ball and if he got past the last defender he would shoot.

    It worked for awhile when he had the "unknown" factor, but once EPL defenders worked him out, he got nullified quite often.

    Ribery seems a smarter player to me from what I've seen. Gifted with the ball, but can also change his style of play when his mazy dribbles are getting him nowhere against tough opposition.
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    Post by Calidad Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:37 pm

    Spider Crouch wrote:But Damien Duff was also hot shit during that period too. Worth thinking about that.

    I think Robbem is, in terms of natural individual talent, an exceptional player.

    But , even in his time at Chelsea, he would run with the ball alot and banged a fair few goals in, but he never showed that footballing nous that you see from the very top players, ie bringing other players into the game, threading passes inbetween defenders, being the fulcrum of attacks, that kind of thing.

    He was a lot like a fleet footed Forrest Gump - give him the ball and if he got past the last defender he would shoot.

    It worked for awhile when he had the "unknown" factor, but once EPL defenders worked him out, he got nullified quite often.

    Ribery seems a smarter player to me from what I've seen. Gifted with the ball, but can also change his style of play when his mazy dribbles are getting him nowhere against tough opposition.

    This. Not only smarter but more versatile and consistent. He's also much more of a team player.

    I do like Robben though, I just prefer Ribery.
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:39 pm

    Torrente wrote: With Robben you only feel relaxed if he has more than two players in front of him.

    Spot on ok

    The last few weeks in the Bundesliga they've put two man on him....and he just takes 'm on and beats them Shocked

    The other points are valid too : Ribery isn't as dangerous/brilliant himself, but he'll make the other players play better.

    You can't really compare the two IMO Ale
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    Post by Fey Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:31 pm

    Robben!

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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:44 pm

    Spider Crouch wrote:But Damien Duff was also hot shit during that period too. Worth thinking about that.

    I think Robbem is, in terms of natural individual talent, an exceptional player.

    But , even in his time at Chelsea, he would run with the ball alot and banged a fair few goals in, but he never showed that footballing nous that you see from the very top players, ie bringing other players into the game, threading passes inbetween defenders, being the fulcrum of attacks, that kind of thing.

    That's because he's mainly a forward, he's comparable to Cristiano Ronaldo; wouldn't u accuse Ronaldo of the same things?

    Ribery is more of a midfielder, so he's naturally more of a team player than Robben. I should also state Ribery relies far more on dribbling than passing.

    Ribery's vision is nothing special IMO, he appears to have more far more awareness than Robben because he thinks like a midfielder, so his 1st instinct is to pass the ball anywhere near on goal whereas Robben's 1st instinct would be to shoot on goal(forwards are generally selfish - doesn't mean they aren't aware of what's around them).

    I think Robben is the better player because he's more ruthless.

    I wanted us to spend all the Adebayor money on him but we don't go above 15m, unfortunately.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:45 pm

    I was under the impression they were both wingers Prof. That was Robben's position at Chelsea at least.

    Both are very gifted individual footballers I think it's fair to say, but neither have the footballing brain to rival a Messi , Rooney, Iniesta, Fabregas or Kaka.

    But football needs dribblers, and both are in the top bracket where beating a man is concerned (ooh matron)
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    Post by Kroos Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:04 pm

    what would have manu won without ronaldo? he has no brain too compared to real brainers lol
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:21 pm

    Spider Crouch wrote:I was under the impression they were both wingers

    Winger as in 4-3-3 front line winger Robben and 4-4-2 midfield winger Ribery...

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    but neither have the footballing brain to rival a Messi , Rooney, Iniesta, Fabregas or Kaka.

    Shocked

    You just completely lost me.

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