whos favourite for the EURO 2012

1. Spain
2. Germany

i think spain will be the team to beat again, only xavi will be 32 then, the rest is in best footballing age

Scotland ?

COTR wrote:Scotland ?

be happy that i included england

England will be even worse. Gerrard, Terry, Rio and Lampard will be on the verge of retirement, Crouch and Heskey shouldn't be near the team and Rooney will be relied upon yet again.

Belgium to do a Germany and go deep despite having a young team.

Germany to win thanks to having the closest thing to a home crowd out of all the top nations.

Wouldn't even count on Belgium qualifying, Kas.

They are in a nasty group with Germany, Austria and Turkey.

Favourites will be Germany, Spain, Dutch. Maybe Italy, France if they've sorted themselves out a bit.

germany

Luis wrote:England will be even worse. Gerrard, Terry, Rio and Lampard will be on the verge of retirement, Crouch and Heskey shouldn't be near the team and Rooney will be relied upon yet again.

What's your point here Lulu? That the no-hopers will still be hanging around, or that they won't be as amazing as they are now?

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:England will be even worse. Gerrard, Terry, Rio and Lampard will be on the verge of retirement, Crouch and Heskey shouldn't be near the team and Rooney will be relied upon yet again.

What's your point here Lulu? That the no-hopers will still be hanging around, or that they won't be as amazing as they are now?

I think a mixture of both, though i'd reword it to say "They'll be even worse trhan they are now".

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:England will be even worse. Gerrard, Terry, Rio and Lampard will be on the verge of retirement, Crouch and Heskey shouldn't be near the team and Rooney will be relied upon yet again.

What's your point here Lulu? That the no-hopers will still be hanging around, or that they won't be as amazing as they are now?

I think a mixture of both, though i'd reword it to say "They'll be even worse trhan they are now".

Maybe Capello might actually try to use one of them the same way they are used at their clubs?

Six wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:England will be even worse. Gerrard, Terry, Rio and Lampard will be on the verge of retirement, Crouch and Heskey shouldn't be near the team and Rooney will be relied upon yet again.

What's your point here Lulu? That the no-hopers will still be hanging around, or that they won't be as amazing as they are now?

I think a mixture of both, though i'd reword it to say "They'll be even worse trhan they are now".

Maybe Capello might actually try to use one of them the same way they are used at their clubs?

I doubt it, he's a dinasour and he's very stubborn. For about 6 years now he seems very attached to the classic 4-4-2 but this formation seems to be pretty much dead at the highest level and of course it's not the best fit for the players England have.

He's going to play Gerrard off Rooney and we will start dominating. I'm guessing that is his plan.

Kimbo wrote:He's going to play Gerrard off Rooney and we will start dominating. I'm guessing that is his plan.

Makes sense with what we have. In two years Milner should be a good center mid.

Brian2468 wrote:

Kimbo wrote:He's going to play Gerrard off Rooney and we will start dominating. I'm guessing that is his plan.

Makes sense with what we have. In two years Milner should be a good center mid.

FUCK OFF WITH MILNER! He's a small weak Dirk Kuyt ffs!

Anyway, it doesn't make sense to me, yes Gerrard has been out of position, but he will always be a selfish player and i've no faith in him ever doing it for England. He's 30 now and he has most probably peaked.

I'd love to give my favourites in order but I'd be accused of being anti-German

Kimbo wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:

Kimbo wrote:He's going to play Gerrard off Rooney and we will start dominating. I'm guessing that is his plan.

Makes sense with what we have. In two years Milner should be a good center mid.

FUCK OFF WITH MILNER! He's a small weak Dirk Kuyt ffs!

Anyway, it doesn't make sense to me, yes Gerrard has been out of position, but he will always be a selfish player and i've no faith in him ever doing it for England. He's 30 now and he has most probably peaked.

Kuyt does not play center midfield Milner does you better hope he grows into a good middle player we have no one left.

Anyway time for 3-5-2.

Brian2468 wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:

Kimbo wrote:He's going to play Gerrard off Rooney and we will start dominating. I'm guessing that is his plan.

Makes sense with what we have. In two years Milner should be a good center mid.

FUCK OFF WITH MILNER! He's a small weak Dirk Kuyt ffs!

Anyway, it doesn't make sense to me, yes Gerrard has been out of position, but he will always be a selfish player and i've no faith in him ever doing it for England. He's 30 now and he has most probably peaked.

Kuyt does not play center midfield Milner does you better hope he grows into a good middle player we have no one left.

Anyway time for 3-5-2.

Why do you think we have no CM prospects?

Show me 6 fulltime CM prospects playing in the EPL and we can compare them to Milner who has only played a year in the EPL in that position.

COTR wrote:Scotland ?

Pigs will fly if we qualify.

Brian2468 wrote:Show me 6 fulltime CM prospects playing in the EPL and we can compare them to Milner who has only played a year in the EPL in that position.

You've been advocating playing Milner in DM alongside Huddlestone haven't you? Isn't Petrov is Villa's DM?

Milner is a possible in AM, but i don't fancy him over Cole or Johnson, then there's Wiltshire and Cleverly coming through. Milner is a stop gap man, a squad player. He's just lucky we don't start calling up foreigners like Arteta and N'Zogbia like the Jormens would do.

Luis wrote:England will be even worse. Gerrard, Terry, Rio and Lampard will be on the verge of retirement, Crouch and Heskey shouldn't be near the team and Rooney will be relied upon yet again.

How is this a bad thing?

Brian2468 wrote:Show me 6 fulltime CM prospects playing in the EPL and we can compare them to Milner who has only played a year in the EPL in that position.

This is quite embarrasing. Milner has proven nothing as a CM. His best position is probably RB.

Kimbo wrote:

You've been advocating playing Milner in DM alongside Huddlestone haven't you? Isn't Petrov is Villa's DM?

Milner is a possible in AM, but i don't fancy him over Cole or Johnson, then there's Wiltshire and Cleverly coming through. Milner is a stop gap man, a squad player. He's just lucky we don't start calling up foreigners like Arteta and N'Zogbia like the Jormens would do.

And I'm sure others will come into the picture the way Jagielka bacame a very good PL CB.

shazlx wrote: And I'm sure others will come into the picture the way Jagielka bacame a very good PL CB.

Precisely. Two years ago no one would have picked Milner in their starting XI for England, and though many still wouldn't, quite a lot of people are now seeing him shine at Villa and rating him higher.

Players can suddenly improve so a lot of players who might now seem a bit mediocre could get their acts together over the next 18 months in time to be of some use at the Euros, and over the next three and a half years I expect we'll find the new Wayne Rooney.

shazlx wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:Show me 6 fulltime CM prospects playing in the EPL and we can compare them to Milner who has only played a year in the EPL in that position.

This is quite embarrasing. Milner has proven nothing as a CM. His best position is probably RB.

Are you being a funny man? Because that's not really funny, man.

shazlx wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:Show me 6 fulltime CM prospects playing in the EPL and we can compare them to Milner who has only played a year in the EPL in that position.

This is quite embarrasing. Milner has proven nothing as a CM. His best position is probably RB.

Kimbo wrote:

You've been advocating playing Milner in DM alongside Huddlestone haven't you? Isn't Petrov is Villa's DM?

Milner is a possible in AM, but i don't fancy him over Cole or Johnson, then there's Wiltshire and Cleverly coming through. Milner is a stop gap man, a squad player. He's just lucky we don't start calling up foreigners like Arteta and N'Zogbia like the Jormens would do.

And I'm sure others will come into the picture the way Jagielka bacame a very good PL CB.

The only embarrassing comments come from other foolish people do that do not point out 6 players right now that can walk into the England CM position other than Milner.........
Who has had a good season with his club playing there. not AM or DM a fucking CM...

I am not claiming him to be the best other than a good coachable player.

Kimbo wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:Show me 6 fulltime CM prospects playing in the EPL and we can compare them to Milner who has only played a year in the EPL in that position.

You've been advocating playing Milner in DM alongside Huddlestone haven't you? Isn't Petrov is Villa's DM?

Milner is a possible in AM, but i don't fancy him over Cole or Johnson, then there's Wiltshire and Cleverly coming through. Milner is a stop gap man, a squad player. He's just lucky we don't start calling up foreigners like Arteta and N'Zogbia like the Jormens would do.

No YOU got it wrong BUSTER!!! Only as a CM CM CM get it BUSTER I do not like DM players but said he is coachable to play a position in the middle.


Right at this time then we have fuck all this is the point Milner as a CM other than the old guard.....

Spain have to be favourites.

Its hard to see who is 2nd but I'll probably go for Italy now they have a modern manager.

I'm not sure we'll even qualify...







Don't particularly rate Germany's chances because in the last 3 tournies you can say they were close but it would be just as true to say they were a million miles away - they lost in ET v Italy and twice by one goal v Spain but both Spain teams and Italy were comfortably better than them.

Toni Kroos is fantastic and they'll probably fuck their team up by trying to fit him in with Oezil.

France could be suprisingly good.

I'll prob go:

1. Spain
2. Italy & France
3. Holland

I'm still worried about our defence to rank us as favourites. We'll have to see how Ranocchia and Bonucci develop. Don't think Chiellini + Gamberini will be good enough.

Brian2468 wrote:No YOU got it wrong BUSTER!!! Only as a CM CM CM get it BUSTER I do not like DM players but said he is coachable to play a position in the middle.


Right at this time then we have fuck all this is the point Milner as a CM other than the old guard.....

So you're saying you WOULDN'T play a DM next to Huddlestone? You realise he can't move? There's a reason he needs Palacios next to him at Spurs.

Italy and France will be vastly better this time around. Not that I think they will be favourites, but certainly improved.

England - could go eitherway. If changes are made now, and we adopt a more modern approach in terms of tactics and bringing in - and keeping faith - in some new talent, whilst expecting Rooney to sort his head out and prove himself a la Euro 2004, then we should qualify comfortably and actually have a half decent tournament.

The favourites have got to be Germany and Spain. Boring, but the 2 best European teams over the last 2 years, followed by Holland.

Kimbo wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:No YOU got it wrong BUSTER!!! Only as a CM CM CM get it BUSTER I do not like DM players but said he is coachable to play a position in the middle.


Right at this time then we have fuck all this is the point Milner as a CM other than the old guard.....

So you're saying you WOULDN'T play a DM next to Huddlestone? You realise he can't move? There's a reason he needs Palacios next to him at Spurs.

Have you been drinking with Gazza who said I would pick Huddlestone? the slate is clean after this WC fresh blood should be brought in and Milner is fresh enough to stay and you many have to live with it......