Milan 2013/14

All in all, things are looking up. I had my reservations about this "youth" project, but the management seems serious about it.  

We have confirmed El Shaarawy, and we have invested heavily in Balotelli.

We have brought in Saponara (who can play trequartista) , and those who saw him in the U-21 tournament know his strengths. Robinho looks set to leave, thank God, and we will most probably bring in Honda in his place.  Poli replaces Flamini, who wants impossible contracts every few years it seems.  Our identity seems to be Italian and Milanisti.

El Shaarawy, Balotelli, Saponara, and Poli have all been fans of Milan.  All of them are in their early 20s, and all of them are Italian.

We have also managed to get rid of unwanted players: Taiwo, Vila (though, I feel he deserved more of a chance), Bojan, Ambrosini (grazie per tutti capitano), and Flamini.  We're also supposedly closing in on Fiorentina's Ljajic.

Riccardo Montolivo is our new captain, and for the management there appears to be 3 absolutely unsellable players: De Sciglio, Montolivo, and Balotelli.

We are still not enough to beat Juve to the title, but our latter half of last season suggests we will give them a real run for their money.







Forza Milan!

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Our identity seems to be Italian and Milanisti.

This is the direction that Real Madrid is going back to and I am all for it. I know I am old and grew up in the pre-bosman days but I don't like seeing any club really full of mercenaries.

I think if Balotelli can keep his head on straight anything is possible.

Maybe you could do with a really good CB. Thiago Silva was never really replaced I don't think. Not that you can ever "replace" a player of his calibre but you know what I mean.

Jaime wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Our identity seems to be Italian and Milanisti.

This is the direction that Real Madrid is going back to and I am all for it. I know I am old and grew up in the pre-bosman days but I don't like seeing any club really full of mercenaries.

I think if Balotelli can keep his head on straight anything is possible.

Maybe you could do with a really good CB. Thiago Silva was never really replaced I don't think. Not that you can ever "replace" a player of his calibre but you know what I mean.

Yeah Mexes and Zapata are good, but error prone. We could do with someone like Ogbonna, but he is going to Juventus. Let's see what the management does in this department.

Our Italian and Milanisti identity is heartening to see. These players are exciting and are committed. Unless they have major dips in performance or if someone offers huge amounts for SES (>40 million euros), it is hard to see Milan let them go. Actually Galliani said that they wouldn't even let Balo go for 150 million euros--yet anyway. SES turned down big money to stay as well.

Let's see how the project pans out. Hopefully, clubs like PSG will be reigned in by FFP and penalized, and we will have some sanity in the market.

You guys have got a good nucleus to build a great team for the future. IMO Saponara is not ready, you need a Honda or a Illicic. Actually, Hernanes would be perfect for either Milan team, but he would be too costly.

I am not convinced by your defense, Di Sciglio is a bit over rated for me. One top CB, a top FB and a top trequartista, that would make Milan quite formidable.

At least you guys are on Year 1, we are right back to year 0 yet again!

Inter will probably have a few year zeros.

Murray wrote:Inter will probably have a few year zeros.

That's how we roll

I was too young to remember these players...

- Christian Panucci
- Mauro Tassotti
- Franco Baresi
- Jimmy Maini
- Ibrahim Ba
- Demetrio Albertini
- Dejan Savicevic
- Stefano Eranio
- Alberigo Evani
- Gianluigi Letini
- Zvonimir Boban
- Roberto Donadoni
- Dejan Savicevic
- Marco Simone
- Ruud Gullit

Can someone help me to describe those players? In terms of position, style of play (pls tell me any current player with similar style) and are they good enough for the current Milan team?

I randomly checked one of Milan 90s formation with these players filled the midfield area:

Ba, Albertini, Donadoni, Boban

What kind of formation can be formed with those players?

a. Classic 4-4-2? Ba--Albertini--Boban--Donadoni?
b. 4-3-1-2?
Or??

Pras_tama wrote:I was too young to remember these players...

- Christian Panucci
- Mauro Tassotti
- Franco Baresi
- Jimmy Maini
- Ibrahim Ba
- Demetrio Albertini
- Dejan Savicevic
- Stefano Eranio
- Alberigo Evani
- Gianluigi Letini
- Zvonimir Boban
- Roberto Donadoni
- Dejan Savicevic
- Marco Simone
- Ruud Gullit

Can someone help me to describe those players? In terms of position, style of play (pls tell me any current player with similar style) and are they good enough for the current Milan team?

I randomly checked one of Milan 90s formation with these players filled the midfield area:

Ba, Albertini, Donadoni, Boban

What kind of formation can be formed with those players?

a. Classic 4-4-2? Ba--Albertini--Boban--Donadoni?
b. 4-3-1-2?
Or??

Those are a lot of players you are asking about, it will just take too long to respond to that. Let em try and find modern day (last 5 years) equivalents for each of them from Milan/Serie A where ever possible - though its very difficult, for many players you just can't find modern day equivalents - maybe others can pitch in:

- Christian Panucci - RB, a bit like Zambrotta. Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.
- Mauro Tassotti - CB, a bit like Chiellini. Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.
- Franco Baresi - Legendary CB, like Nesta but even better. He would walk into any current team with ease.
- Jimmy Maini - Don't remember him
- Ibrahim Ba - crap midfielder, a bit like Nocerino but even worse.
- Demetrio Albertini - a bit like Montolivo, a bit better. Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.
- Dejan Savicevic - awesome AM, a bit like Stankovic, but better. Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.
- Stefano Eranio - average midfielder, a bit like Flamini perhaps. He would make the current squad, not the starting XI.
- Alberigo Evani - decent midfielder, a bit like Ambrosini with his consistency. Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.
- Gianluigi Letini - great talent who never reached his peak due to an accident... no one knows how good he could have been.
- Zvonimir Boban - Brilliant AM, a bit like Hernanes only more skillful and bigger presence. Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.
- Roberto Donadoni - awesome winger/midfielder, very skillful. Italy haven't found anyone like him since. Think Camoranesi, only 10 times better! Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.
- Dejan Savicevic - you already asked that one
- Marco Simone - hardworking striker with good skills on the ball, a bit like Miccoli. He would make it above Niang in current team.
- Ruud Gullit - absolute legend, hard to find a modern day example, a bit like a more lethal and consistent Seedorf. Yes, he would make the current Milan starting XI.

Thanks bluey,, now could you or anyone summarized Milan's main formation and style of play under Sacchi, Capello and Tabarez?

I really need your help here guys

Thanks before

In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

Capello's team from like 93-95 was more or less like this:

-----------------------------------Rossi

Tassotti/Panucci-----Costacurta-----Baresi-----Maldini

Donadoni--------Albertini-------Desailly---------Boban

-----------------Savicevic-------Massaro/Simone

That is as best as I can remember. I watched a lot of Serie A back in those days. But I'm sure Forza can tell you even more accurately.

Thanks Jaime

In those two formations, did they use static wingers or interchanging one?

Pras_tama wrote:Thanks bluey,, now could you or anyone summarized Milan's main formation and style of play under Sacchi, Capello and Tabarez?

I really need your help here guys

Thanks before

I am sure you can google these things, for it will take a long long time for me to discuss this properly.

Let me quickly show you Capello's Milan, he started with something similar to Sacchi like:


and later when the dutch trio left, he used to play:

Jaime wrote:In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

Capello's team from like 93-95 was more or less like this:

-----------------------------------Rossi

Tassotti/Panucci-----Costacurta-----Baresi-----Maldini

Donadoni--------Albertini-------Desailly---------Boban

-----------------Savicevic-------Massaro/Simone

That is as best as I can remember. I watched a lot of Serie A back in those days. But I'm sure Forza can tell you even more accurately.

LOL Jaime, looks like we made identical posts!

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

Capello's team from like 93-95 was more or less like this:

-----------------------------------Rossi

Tassotti/Panucci-----Costacurta-----Baresi-----Maldini

Donadoni--------Albertini-------Desailly---------Boban

-----------------Savicevic-------Massaro/Simone

That is as best as I can remember. I watched a lot of Serie A back in those days. But I'm sure Forza can tell you even more accurately.

LOL Jaime, looks like we made identical posts!

Haha that is too funny! On the positive side, it may prove that my memory is holding up better than I thought!

In another Milan related note - I've seen you renewed Robinho. This hurts my heart.

Got a deja-vu, there was a very similar remembrance moment some time ago here...

Some additions:

Giovanni Galli was the keeper in the first two Sacchi seasons. Then they had Pazzagli briefly before switching to Rossi.

His brother Filippo Galli was Baresi's CB partner initially before young Costacurta settling in.

Good old Pietro Paolo Virdis was the main striker in the first year due to Van Basten missing most of the season for injury.

Angelo Colombo was a tireless defensive midfielder, huge lungs, decent tecnique, powerful shot. Got sidelined by Rijkaard.

Daniele Massaro was an important offensive jolly (striker or makeshift winger) during both Sacchi and Capello tenures, he also played most of USA 94 WC.

Papin, IIRC he came under Capello when Van Basten was already out (dunno if officially retired because of his unfixable ankle yet or not).

oh wow just found this site:

www.magliarossonera.it

ugly as fuck but it seems to host complete records of ALL the Milan seasons in history @_@

http://www.magliarossonera.it/Front5.html
http://www.magliarossonera.it/198788_ufficiali.html

Jaime wrote:In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

You are not far off there with Sacchi's Milan. Lentini joined in the Capello era, Colombo played that role in Sacchi's team, sometimes Evani. And like abundance mentioned, it was Galli at goal. We didn't get to watch too many games in those days (I was in India), but I still remember the two Euro Cup finals... specially the first one, they just thrashed Steaua B. That was some team.

abundance wrote:oh wow just found this site:

www.magliarossonera.it

ugly as fuck but it seems to host complete records of ALL the Milan seasons in history @_@

http://www.magliarossonera.it/Front5.html
http://www.magliarossonera.it/198788_ufficiali.html

That is ugly! My eyes, my eyes

THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!

i think milan is doing a great job, they have a great core, still need some fixes to challenge for everything, but it`s a good start

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

You are not far off there with Sacchi's Milan. Lentini joined in the Capello era, Colombo played that role in Sacchi's team, sometimes Evani. And like abundance mentioned, it was Galli at goal. We didn't get to watch too many games in those days (I was in India), but I still remember the two Euro Cup finals... specially the first one, they just thrashed Steaua B. That was some team.

I always forget exactly when Sacchi left, other than before the 1994 WC. I was thinking that Lentini and Torino made that big run in the UEFA Cup in 1990/91 and Lentini joined Milan the following year. But maybe it was 91/92 for the UEFA Cup and then joined Milan in 92/93?

I guess the old memory is going...

Jaime wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

You are not far off there with Sacchi's Milan. Lentini joined in the Capello era, Colombo played that role in Sacchi's team, sometimes Evani. And like abundance mentioned, it was Galli at goal. We didn't get to watch too many games in those days (I was in India), but I still remember the two Euro Cup finals... specially the first one, they just thrashed Steaua B. That was some team.

I always forget exactly when Sacchi left, other than before the 1994 WC. I was thinking that Lentini and Torino made that big run in the UEFA Cup in 1990/91 and Lentini joined Milan the following year. But maybe it was 91/92 for the UEFA Cup and then joined Milan in 92/93?

I guess the old memory is going...

The transition from Sacchi to Capello was very smooth, and it does get a bit confusing with time. Capello basically started with doing exactly where Sacchi left off in 91, and very gradually made a few changes and minor tactical adjustments.

Jaime wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

You are not far off there with Sacchi's Milan. Lentini joined in the Capello era, Colombo played that role in Sacchi's team, sometimes Evani. And like abundance mentioned, it was Galli at goal. We didn't get to watch too many games in those days (I was in India), but I still remember the two Euro Cup finals... specially the first one, they just thrashed Steaua B. That was some team.

I always forget exactly when Sacchi left, other than before the 1994 WC. I was thinking that Lentini and Torino made that big run in the UEFA Cup in 1990/91 and Lentini joined Milan the following year. But maybe it was 91/92 for the UEFA Cup and then joined Milan in 92/93?

I guess the old memory is going...

Lentini was a huge waste of money, flopped spectacularily in his first season & was never the same after his car crash

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:In the early 90s Sacchi and Capello both used a 4-4-2 for the most part.

Sacchi's team from the late 80s to about 92 was:

-----------------------------Rossi

Tassotti------Costacurta------Baresi------Maldini

Donadoni------Rijkaard------Ancelotti-----Evani/Lentini

-------------------Gullit-------van Basten

I remember a guy called Colombo too who played a fair amount but I don't really recall where he fit in. Also I don't remember when Papin arrived either but with all of van Basten's injuries he played too sometimes.

You are not far off there with Sacchi's Milan. Lentini joined in the Capello era, Colombo played that role in Sacchi's team, sometimes Evani. And like abundance mentioned, it was Galli at goal. We didn't get to watch too many games in those days (I was in India), but I still remember the two Euro Cup finals... specially the first one, they just thrashed Steaua B. That was some team.

I always forget exactly when Sacchi left, other than before the 1994 WC. I was thinking that Lentini and Torino made that big run in the UEFA Cup in 1990/91 and Lentini joined Milan the following year. But maybe it was 91/92 for the UEFA Cup and then joined Milan in 92/93?

I guess the old memory is going...

The transition from Sacchi to Capello was very smooth, and it does get a bit confusing with time. Capello basically started with doing exactly where Sacchi left off in 91, and very gradually made a few changes and minor tactical adjustments.

Under Capello their offside trap did become less extreme, probably because Baresi was getting older.

Haven't been on here all that much. Just saw the awesome trip down memory lane.

Funnily enough Massaro was in Toronto a few months ago. A store I go to often (owned by Milan fans) had pictures with him. It was nice to see.

We're playing Valencia right now and doing very well . It's 2-0 right now. Poli and de Jong have been exceptional.

More good news for Milan, Robinho is injured.

abundance wrote:Got a deja-vu, there was a very similar remembrance moment some time ago here...

Some additions:

Giovanni Galli was the keeper in the first two Sacchi seasons. Then they had Pazzagli briefly before switching to Rossi.

His brother Filippo Galli was Baresi's CB partner initially before young Costacurta settling in.

Good old Pietro Paolo Virdis was the main striker in the first year due to Van Basten missing most of the season for injury.

Angelo Colombo was a tireless defensive midfielder, huge lungs, decent tecnique, powerful shot. Got sidelined by Rijkaard.

Daniele Massaro was an important offensive jolly (striker or makeshift winger) during both Sacchi and Capello tenures, he also played most of USA 94 WC.

Papin, IIRC he came under Capello when Van Basten was already out (dunno if officially retired because of his unfixable ankle yet or not).

 

Kaka is a Milan player.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Kaka is a Milan player.

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What kind of player Valter Birsa is?