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    Post by Parks lives Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:36 am

    The FA Cup Third Round Winners And Losers


    Shocks were in short supply. Sadly, they have been for at least ten years...

    Winners

    Arsenal
    With the benefit of hindsight, Cesc Fabregas' suspension was a blessing in disguise, forcing Arsene Wenger into welcome pragmatism. Alongside the equally-indefatigable Gilberto Silva, the incoming Mathieu Flamini formed an unbreachable midfield wall and forced Steven Gerrard to the periphery.

    Gerrard's claim that Liverpool "controlled the first 35 minutes" was delusional. Due to the efforts of Flamini and Silva, the Gunners were comfortable, ceding barely an opening to their unimaginative opponents whilst building the platform from which Tomas Rosicky was able to burst forward with devastating effect.

    The only disappointment in Arsenal's terrific victory was Emmanuel Eboue. Too often this season the full-back has succumbed to petulance and gamesmanship and his 67th-minute substitution at Anfield was a relief. Having just returned following an ankle strain, the Ivorian may have suffered a repeat injury, although the speed of his exit would suggest that an exasperated Arsene Wenger, who publicly denounced Eboue's dive during the Champions League final, had already decided to haul off the liability.

    Eboue has regressed since May and, having become the first Englishman to scored for Arsenal since September 2005 on Tuesday night, Justin Hoyte's demotion to accommodate the returning 21-year-old was harsh. With Lauren returning in Tuesday's Carling Cup quarter-final, Eboue's spell of repentance may be lengthy.



    Blackburn Rovers
    Other than Arsenal's elimination of the holders in a stadium in which Liverpool were unbeaten for their previous 29 matches, the performance of the weekend was Blackburn reserves' stunning 4-1 victory at Everton.

    The stylish David Bentley was instrumental, justifying speculation of a transfer to ManYoo. Which probably isn't what Arsene Wenger had in mind when he allowed the frustrated Bentley to leave Highbury "to advance his career".


    The Liverpool Supporters
    The memorable consolation for the Liverpool fans on an otherwise dispiriting evening was their own performance and display of solidarity against the BBC's employment of Kelvin McKenzie, paid for by the tax known as the licence fee.

    "They were marvellous throughout," commented Wenger in his press conference before concluding that "Liverpool have" either "great support" or "the greatest support" depending on which Sunday newspaper you bought.


    ManYoo
    Henrik Larsson's debut goal against his former manager was the definition of inevitable.


    Patrice Evra
    Along with Gilberto Silva, Evra is arguably the most improved Premiership player this season.


    Thomas Butler
    The Swansea winger had only scored four times before his brace at Sheffield United. Hence the startled celebrations.


    Losers

    Charlton Athletic
    The non-shock 'shock result' of the weekend was Charlton's defeat at Nottingham Forest. The surprise was that anybody was surprised by the Addicks' spineless exit to a youthful side third in League One.

    The undue fanfare that greeted Forest's straightforward victory over a side content to exit the tournament can partly be explained by acknowledging that the FA Cup has ceased to be a tale of the unexpected.

    For all the hype, the bottom line is that ten years have passed since a member of the Big Four failed to win the Cup. Such dominance has steadily eroded the glamour of the competition and caused Pompey's victory over Wigan to be watched by their lowest crowd of the season. Realistically pessimistic about their cup prospects, fans have followed managers in accepting the prioritisation of league position and regarding the cup as little more than an inconvenience to be squeezed onto a congested fixture list.

    "Cup-final day used to be the biggest day of the year and the whole country used to come to a standstill," complained Harry Redknapp on Saturday without recognising that the apparent inevitability of a Big Four victory has detracted from the cup final's appeal and its supposed 'romance'.

    Today's competition bares no resemblance to its hype or the era when a young Harry Redknapp would settle down with the rest of the neighbourhood to watch the May showcase. Decade by decade, the cup has gradually become a closed shop. Since 1995, Arsenal, ManYoo, Chelski or Liverpool have won every cup final. Six teams were successful between 1986 and 1995 after seven the previous decade and the maximum ten between 1966 and 1975.


    Rafa Benitez
    Rafa Benitez was unique on two counts on Saturday: the only person to believe that Jerzy Dudek's performance couldn't be faulted and the only person who understood why he was selected ahead of Jose Reina. Even Rafa's reasoning that "Jerzy didn't really have a lot to do besides the goals" was inadvertently damning.

    To varying degrees, Dudek failed to impress with each of the Gunners' three goals. It's reasonable to suppose that Reina may have prevented at least one. Arsene Wenger also rested his first-choice goalkeeper but the Arsenal manager was vindicated by victory and the assured display of Manuel Almunia.

    John Arne Riise remains fortunate to retain his place ahead of Fabio Aurelio, while, because of the lack of width he offers compared to Mark Gonzalez, it makes no sense that Luis Garcia is selected in the same team as Peter Crouch. In truth, Liverpool are a very unappealing side when Crouch plays and lack the wit, skill and imagination to trouble a top-class side. Dirk Kuyt's close-range header from Jermaine Pennant's corner was Pool's first goal in their four meetings with fellow Big Four members this term. With Craig Bellamy spending the final hour running through his repertoire of stretching exercises rather than stretching the Arsenal defence, the Gunners were able to win without Almunia making a notable save.


    Andriy Shevchenko
    Even against the side second-bottom of the Football League, Shevchenko's woes continued.

    Clean through on goal at the beginning of the second half, the Ukrainian was already stumbling to the ground before his knee crashed into Macclesfield goalkeeper Tommy Lee. Were the boot on the other foot, or on a Chelski head, Jose would have cried attempted murder.

    Intent on a hat-trick, Lampard refused to let Shevchenko take the penalty. And there was no sympathy from Jose either: "For a striker to be in a side that wins 6-1 and not score..."


    Nicklas Bendtner
    One of the least acknowledged arguments in favour of introducing a winter break is that it would give the nation's floundering football pitches urgently-required recovery time.

    Regardless of the weather, the tie between Birmingham and Newcastle should have been postponed on account of the surface apparently recently hosting a Battle of the Somme re-enactment. With more potholes than grass, it was certainly dangerous. Arsenal loanee Bendtner literally fell foul of the surface, breaking his ankle after, according to Steve Bruce, "falling down a bloody hole in the f*cking pitch". Even if the revelation that the youngster was injured falling down a hole didn't deserve a repeat airing, the outburst carried double weight as Bruce's Brum were the home side.

    The terrible state of the surface may also have been a factor in why only 12,000 Brum supporters turned up. The quality of football outside of the top flight is poor at the best of times and even worse when it is played on a divot-distorted mud patch.

    Plans for the St Andrews' pitch to be relaid were terminated last month by
    a packed fixture list and frost. As a direct consequence, Bendtner is unlikely to return this season and may have lost any hope of being appointed Arsenal's fourth-choice striker next term.


    Alan Curbishley
    Of more interest than West Ham's routine win over Brighton was Alan Curbishley's extraordinary post-match press conference. Refusing to answer any questions during his two-minute appearance, Curbishley instead rejected criticism of Nigel Reo-Coker and then raged at newspaper "spin" over his apparent criticism of the Hammers' summer signings.

    The support of Reo-Coker was peculiar given that Curbishley omitted him on Saturday, stoking reports that the midfielder is to be sold. And the 'Curbishley slams Pardew signings' headlines were inevitable after he told the BBC: "The people who have come in have not put pressure on those in the team - that's not how it should be."

    In March, Curbishley's hysterical reaction to the Sunday tabloids publishing pictures of his interview for the England job indicated that he lacked the necessary resilience to replace Sven. His reaction on Saturday proved as much, confirming that Curbishley is too sensitive to survive the relentless scrutiny that is part and parcel of a top management job.

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    Post by Rez Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:45 am

    The Fa Cup lost its glory, when people could watch 4 games a week on TV
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    Post by COTR Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:50 am

    quite funny how ManYoo always make it into the winners section with this author... even after a supposed poor performance at home to a struggling team.. surely there were other far more deserving participants

    Can't argue with the comments on liverpool
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:51 am

    Poor performance.

    We had 22 shots to there 4 and 70% possession.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:54 am

    COTR wrote:quite funny how ManYoo always make it into the winners section with this author... even after a supposed poor performance at home to a struggling team.. surely there were other far more deserving participants

    Can't argue with the comments on liverpool

    And in fairness they did win.

    It's the fact that we don't make it in when even we win 4-0 away that pisses me off.
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    Post by Rosicky Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:57 am

    Parks lives wrote:Poor performance.

    We had 22 shots to there 4 and 70% possession.

    yes and how many did you score?

    it took a goal keeping error for you to win!
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    Post by COTR Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:57 am

    Parks lives wrote:Poor performance.

    We had 22 shots to there 4 and 70% possession.
    if all else fails... bring out those stats Smile

    we probably had something similar against arsenal spank


    not my main point anyway... there are surely teams more worthy of the praise rather than a team that required a last minute howler to win at home to a struggling team..

    have suspected all along that the author is a manc Smile
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:59 am

    COTR wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Poor performance.

    We had 22 shots to there 4 and 70% possession.
    if all else fails... bring out those stats :)

    we probably had something similar against arsenal spank


    Beyond help. So you had 22 shots including 10 on target?
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:00 am

    Rosicky wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Poor performance.

    We had 22 shots to there 4 and 70% possession.

    yes and how many did you score?

    it took a goal keeping error for you to win!

    Still not a poor performance is it?

    All they did was praise Larsson and Evra anyway.
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    Post by COTR Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:04 am

    Parks lives wrote:
    COTR wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Poor performance.

    We had 22 shots to there 4 and 70% possession.
    if all else fails... bring out those stats Smile

    we probably had something similar against arsenal spank


    Beyond help. So you had 22 shots including 10 on target?
    which is why I said something similar spank.. we had all the possession (like you) and arsenal only had about 4 or 5 shots (like villa) and
    Goal Attempts:
    Liverpool 15
    Arsenal 5

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    Now ive spelled everything out as simply as i could for you... plz don't make me repeat it again

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    Post by Rez Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:07 am

    Villa held Chelsea to there first goaless draw in ages, anyway wouldnt be in the winners section if Larsson wasnt making his debut and didnt score.

    To be honest the winners and losers section is basically always the top 4 with a few exceptions, the reason being is that they have the most fans. United won so they couldnt include them in the losers section.
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    Post by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:08 am

    We actually had 29 shots, but some places now put blocked shots in a different column, i would say we should be in the winners if only for the new signing being great and scoring. Being in there for league wins, is mainly due to the position in the league.
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    Post by Kevin Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:07 pm

    I disagree what the author said about Arsenal. Without cesc, we were unable to pass the ball with any speed or direction meaning we had automatically surrendered the initiative before the game had started. Whilst iFlamini did help us in defense, Farbegas is an equally astute tackler and Flamini does not cover a particularly large amount of ground while playing.
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    Post by Deano Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:11 pm

    we win 3-0 and Alan Curbishley is an FA Cup loser??
    what the fuck has questions about our players got to do with the result...

    fotball365=cunts
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    Post by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:38 pm

    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:we win 3-0 and Alan Curbishley is an FA Cup loser??
    what the fuck has questions about our players got to do with the result...

    fotball365=cunts

    It's a manc website. Ignore it.

    Amazing how there was no "Winners and losers" after the mancs dropped points up at Newcastle Erm
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    Post by Deano Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:40 pm

    Obispo wrote:
    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:we win 3-0 and Alan Curbishley is an FA Cup loser??
    what the fuck has questions about our players got to do with the result...

    fotball365=cunts

    It's a manc website. Ignore it.

    Amazing how there was no "Winners and losers" after the mancs dropped points up at Newcastle Erm

    well whoever it is hates West Ham...even when we are in the winners section the comment about us is just a dig or sarcastic comment.
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    Post by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:42 pm

    That's because you beat the mancs ok

    It's a United website. I've seen less bias from Clive Tyldsley.
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    Post by Rez Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:47 pm

    Come on we all know Liverpool are the media darlings, but United are the biggest club in England so they are forced to pander towards them.
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    Post by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:48 pm

    Rolling Eyes

    Are you Poiuy in disguise?
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    Post by Rez Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:07 pm

    No, why?

    Pre season they were the media darlings, maybe because they thought they would topple the hated Chelsea and so hyped them up as they couldnt stand Chelsea winning another title. So I guess now united are now Chelseas main obstacle, they are now writing favourable stuff about us albeit begrudgingly.
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    Post by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:10 pm

    No, we were backed in pre-season, but weren't exactly media darlings.

    Media darlings wouldn't have had to suffer the constant criticism of rotation and Gerrard's position.

    The closest thing to media darlings are Arsenal, and even they get some criticism.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:13 pm

    Rez wrote:No, why?

    Pre season they were the media darlings, maybe because they thought they would topple the hated Chelsea and so hyped them up as they couldnt stand Chelsea winning another title. So I guess now united are now Chelseas main obstacle, they are now writing favourable stuff about us albeit begrudgingly.

    ? Last year United fans were droning on about 'London bias' in the media. The fact is that the 'media darlings' of the last 15 years have almost always been Manchester United - unsurprising given that they have been the most successful English club over that period, and have the most supporters (i.e. readers, viewers and listeners).

    If you want to argue that the BBC is Liverpool biased, I can see your point - with Hansen and Lawrenson it's unsurprising that MOTD is pro-Reds and Alan Green is obviously a fan. But to suggest that all the print media are pro-Liverpool is just ridiculous imo.
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    Post by Kevin Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:20 pm

    Obispo wrote:No, we were backed in pre-season, but weren't exactly media darlings.

    Media darlings wouldn't have had to suffer the constant criticism of rotation and Gerrard's position.

    The closest thing to media darlings are Arsenal, and even they get some criticism.

    The media praise us when we play good football. That's all there is too it. They dont get off our backs if we go on abad run or if our football has not got an end product.
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:28 am

    Roger_Hunt wrote:
    Rez wrote:No, why?

    Pre season they were the media darlings, maybe because they thought they would topple the hated Chelsea and so hyped them up as they couldnt stand Chelsea winning another title. So I guess now united are now Chelseas main obstacle, they are now writing favourable stuff about us albeit begrudgingly.

    ? Last year United fans were droning on about 'London bias' in the media. The fact is that the 'media darlings' of the last 15 years have almost always been Manchester United - unsurprising given that they have been the most successful English club over that period, and have the most supporters (i.e. readers, viewers and listeners).

    If you want to argue that the BBC is Liverpool biased, I can see your point - with Hansen and Lawrenson it's unsurprising that MOTD is pro-Reds and Alan Green is obviously a fan. But to suggest that all the print media are pro-Liverpool is just ridiculous imo.

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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:51 am

    Obispo wrote:
    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:we win 3-0 and Alan Curbishley is an FA Cup loser??
    what the fuck has questions about our players got to do with the result...

    fotball365=cunts

    It's a manc website. Ignore it.

    Amazing how there was no "Winners and losers" after the mancs dropped points up at Newcastle Erm

    Because its called WEEKEND'S WINNERS AND LOSERS and the Newcastle game was midweek.

    Doh
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:44 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    Obispo wrote:
    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:we win 3-0 and Alan Curbishley is an FA Cup loser??
    what the fuck has questions about our players got to do with the result...

    fotball365=cunts

    It's a manc website. Ignore it.

    Amazing how there was no "Winners and losers" after the mancs dropped points up at Newcastle Erm

    Because its called WEEKEND'S WINNERS AND LOSERS and the Newcastle game was midweek.

    Doh
    It's true, i looked for it and couldn't find it.
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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:47 pm

    Because it would have been extremely difficult to do a "New years winners and losers", eh? Erm

    Manc Website.
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    Post by Deano Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:50 pm

    still doesnt explain why they hate West Ham?

    perhaps football365 is done with the views of Steve Bruce..cunt!
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:52 pm

    Obispo wrote:Because it would have been extremely difficult to do a "New years winners and losers", eh? Erm

    Manc Website.

    No on New Years they did a 2006 winners and losers. With Crouch included in the winners.

    Yep, Manc website. Rolling Eyes

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