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Christian Wilhelmsson

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Christian Wilhelmsson

by Deano Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:15 pm

What does everybody make of him??

Supposed to be available at £500,000. A natural Left Winger who I think is an excellent player. Man City latest club to be linked. Tottenham are long admirers of him and we are also monitoring the situation along with another 3/4 clubs.

Surely whoever signs him at that price would have the signing of the summer?

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by TM Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:17 pm

He was a good player for Roma, from what i saw of they're Champions Leauge adventure he was on of their good players.

Natural left wingers are hard to come by these days, especially ones which are a goal threat and not injury phrone.

At less than a million pounds it would be a bargain

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Deano Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:19 pm

IMO he's worth at least £4/5m. He's only 27 too. If Alan Curbishley is not knocking down doors to sign him he needs a good decking!

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by TM Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:43 pm

Half A Mil, like you said, may make him the signing of the (next) season.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Fey Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:46 pm

Good player, awful mullet! Always liked him when he played for Anderlecht

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Cesc Soler Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:50 pm

He has looked good whenever I watch the Swedish National side, but from the games I seen for Roma (About 5 games) he looked very lethargic and almost invisable at times. He is very quick and as you say £500,000 is hardly a gamble for a Premiership club.

Maybe he could be the answer to the Spurs left side of midfield.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by fcb Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:53 pm

Always liked him since I first saw him at Euro 2004.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Sgoater1 Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:05 pm

Yeah id be very happy with him, especially for £500k it could be one of the deals of the summer. I thought they'd want £4m or so.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Cesc Soler Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:07 pm

Sgoater1 wrote:Yeah id be very happy with him, especially for £500k it could be one of the deals of the summer. I thought they'd want £4m or so.

I think he only has one more year on his contract at Nantes...

I hope Sven goes all out this Summer and brings in quality, his big name reputation will have a positive influence on new signings.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Sgoater1 Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:21 pm

Cesc wrote:

Sgoater1 wrote:Yeah id be very happy with him, especially for £500k it could be one of the deals of the summer. I thought they'd want £4m or so.

I think he only has one more year on his contract at Nantes...

I hope Sven goes all out this Summer and brings in quality, his big name reputation will have a positive influence on new signings.

Im sure he will, rumour has it he wants up to 10 players and i thin Frank will give him all the funds he needs. Frank isnt stupid and has set a 3 yr plan to get us into the champs (fucking ambitious i know )so he will want to move fast cos he knows its going to be hard.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Kimbo Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:34 pm

He's quick, but overall pretty average IMO. 500k would be a bargain, but personally i wouldn't want him in my 1st team.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Tweesus Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:56 pm

He's not got the quality to be a regular for Spurs. Would be a good signing for a mid table EPL side though, no club particularly sticks out in my mind

Football Genius

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Football Genius Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:07 pm

I think if you removed his pace, he'd be a pretty average / poor footballer.

I can see him performing to the same level that Rommedahl achieved, infact Rommedahl is probably the better footballer, and he was a total flop. So i wouldn't be too enthused, of course for 500k its worth a gamble.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Super Progress Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:14 pm

Football Genius wrote:I think if you removed his pace, he'd be a pretty average / poor footballer.

I can see him performing to the same level that Rommedahl achieved, infact Rommedahl is probably the better footballer, and he was a total flop. So i wouldn't be too enthused, of course for 500k its worth a gamble.

no he isnt. wilhelmsen is much smarter then rommedahl. rommedahl is a speed merchant while wilhelmsen has a football brain. he would be a good buy for anyone but didnt impress that much in roma.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Football Genius Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:23 pm

'He would be a good buy for anyone' well your lot should buy him then, after all your president sacked your boss because he wanted to sure up the defence as opposed to buying yet more strikers, in all seriousness, he had a Cr@p time at Roma because he wasn't up to the challenge, not because hes a super talent who hibernated for a season.

Sorry if im being facetious, but i cannot take a fan of real madrid serious, 4 dire years of chopping managers and players in and out to no avail, and then once you do win the league, what do you do? fire the manager, completely potty logic. So what if you start to play attractive football but finish 10th? Football is a results orientated business / sport, and Capello got you the results, yet that isn't good enough, your club is raving mad.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by fcb Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:25 pm

"Football is a results orientated business/sport"

Just like you can't take a Madrid fan's opinion seriously, many people can't take a Liverpool fan's opinion seriously when you classify football like that. It is more than just the result for some clubs and fans.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:28 pm

I think the importance for us of "winning while playing great football" is very hard to grasp for English people..

It is a bit naive, and not very logical.. but it is still essential!!

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:32 pm

Our philosophy is this: Attacking football to win, entertainement / attractiveness as a (very welcome) byproduct. But always attacking, it's our philosophy, no matter who we play against.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by fcb Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:33 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Our philosophy is this: Attacking football to win, entertainement / attractiveness as a byproduct. But always attacking, it's our philosophy, no matter who we play against.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Sheffield gunner Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:34 pm

I think it can depend on the team people support. For me football is mostly about entertainment. I love watching adventurous attacking football, even if it isn't the most effective. I wouldn't swap how we play now for our team of 1993-5, when we won a number of cups but were terrible to watch. Of course there is a balance, because success is enjoyable, but I can settle for a relative lack of success if it means playing good football.

Incidentally, a couple of Chelsea fans I know used to subscribe to the 'results rather than style' approach, but in the last year have become disillusioned with their negative approach.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Football Genius Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:34 pm

kas wrote:"Football is a results orientated business/sport"

Just like you can't take a Madrid fan's opinion seriously, many people can't take a Liverpool fan's opinion seriously when you classify football like that. It is more than just the result for some clubs and fans.

No, it is a results business.

Results = points / progression through tournaments = £ = continuing viability of running the club.

The journey is the fun bit, the bit us fans enjoy. But results are absolutely fundamental to the clubs position in existence.

You want to win, and to be entertained. That is an incredibily difficult objective to achieve, and is reminisent of the film gladiator 'are you not entertained, is this not why you are here'

You go and watch the team of your choice, and you want to see them win, if they do that in style that is the BONUS, not the objective.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Football Genius Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:39 pm

Not to mention, without the result thus without the money, you will not be able to purchase the players to entertain you, which you want.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by fcb Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:41 pm

Yes, and we are happy to sacrifice losing some trophies, because when we do win, and win by doing it by staying true to our attacking style, it is even sweeter. That's the tradeoff we make, and we are happy with it by choosing to be fans of the club.

And your last sentence just proves oleguer's point - fans of results-oriented clubs just don't get it, and never will. Style is NOT a bonus, but is indeed an objective.

Also, it may be different in england where money is crucial to a club's existence because all the clubs have been converted into PLC's that need to satisfy stockholders, or have been taken over by Americans who want a return on their investment. In Spain Italy, etc. clubs are owned by the fans or private businessmen who don't have profit as a primary objective, so that will never be an issue. Italy had some problems following the english style, and now they are reverting to being privately owned clubs (I think).

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by fcb Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:42 pm

Football Genius wrote:Not to mention, without the result thus without the money, you will not be able to purchase the players to entertain you, which you want.

This is also only applicable to Liverpool and other English clubs.

When Laporta took over in 2003, Barcelona had 4 trophyless years and 180 million euros in debt. But we still underwent a restructuring plan and renegotiated our loans with banks and got a transfer budget of 120 million euros for the next 4 years. That's because, like I explained above, it is not a club owned by some American who needs to control expenditure. It is an institution.

Oleguerisntthatbad

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:44 pm

The love for your club and the way you want them to play can't be explained by:

"Results = points / progression through tournaments = £ = continuing viability of running the club."

It simply is too logical.. For me it is essential that my club attacks and attacks.. use short passing, try to play with loads of technical details, and NEVER EVER use a negative approach.

If it was about the results I wouldn't have spent all that money and time in the Camp Nou while we were losing to every single half decent team. I came for those short moments of magic where someone would do something unexpeted.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Sheffield gunner Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:45 pm

My way of looking at it is that playing boring more effective football might win you slightly more trophies and these will give you more reason to celebrate at the end of the season, but I get more satisfaction out of enjoying football all year round. Is one night of celebration in May following a dull, turgid season better than enjoying good football throughout the year, and a number of occasions of excitement and enjoyment? Personally I prefer the excitement, and anyway it's not as if attacking teams don't win trophies.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Super Progress Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:46 pm

how the hell did this turn into a debat about football styles. i was only gone for some mins to see wimbeldon. anyway i meant wilhelmson can be handy for any club not that he is some super player.

about you comments about madrid all i can say that you havent followed us this year or before. because capello didn nothing that has helped us defensively. note that barca/getafe/valencia let in fewer goals then us. we had a better defence with woodgate when we were playing ultra attack with guti as a DM. and you forget that the most succesful in national teams(brazil) and club (madrid/milan) has tried to play more attacking.
liverpool has been more about organisation then taking risks and they have won one big trophy in 3 years time under benitez. and all of houliers time when boring football you didnt win a big title(league/CL) either. and in the end i way that madrids(or barcas) philosophy isnt about beautiful football.but about winning and playing beautiful football at the same time. so it is a question of standards for your team.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Football Genius Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:48 pm

Your logic is madness.

Do you think any fan, wants to see their team play unattractive football? Of course every club will want their team to play good football, that is not always acheiveable. But whilst your not playing good football, the results still are coming in, and you still need those results, to qualify for the Champions League, to not get relegated etc... So results are ALWAYS the primary objective.

In relation to your point about ownership, by having one private owner, should the worst case scenario occur and that person goes broke, then you club doesn't only not play attrative football, it may never play football again, personally i prefer having the transparency of a regulated PLC company where i can see how the Football club is being run.

And to get back to the point, football is about winners and losers, thats why we have them.... so the objective is always to win the game of football, you have decided that your club wishes to do that in a certain manner, fine, but the objective is to win it has been since day one.

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:51 pm

Exactly why I said that English people don't get it..

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Re: Christian Wilhelmsson

by Football Genius Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:55 pm

Your addressing this from a fans point of view, this is not something that the fan really has any control over, its internally controlled, and whether you like or lump it, internally the goal is to win, for the above reasons.

In addition to the commercial aspect, irrespective of the clubs ownership nature, it will still play a commercial role, Real Madrid is THE most commercial club in the world, and selling yourself as a club which plays super football can only be sustained so long if your not winning trophies because people will simply say 'well if your playing such super football why aren't you winning anything' and won't buy into it.

Winning is greater than how you won. How you won is important to the fans, but not to the club.

You have elected presidents, who want to please the fans, thats why you play attacking football because the fans demand this. If this wasn't the case you would find that playing attractive football would quickly fall down the list of priorities, it is an enormous financial and competitive burden on the clubs.

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