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    Post by tonigol Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:16 am

    with all the biggest clubs back in serie A (juve, napoli, etc)

    will Serie A be back to its best?

    I think it will be, however i would like to see a few big name players sign up before the season starts
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    Post by A & K Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:50 am

    Hi Tonigol. First, welcome to this board.

    Serie A, should be back to its best, because Juventus are back with a big team and quality players, Napoli and Genoa are also back, and they were big teams in the past. Finally, no points will be deducted for Forientina, Milan, and Regina. The only little drawback is that some quality forward players have left the Serie A.
    How is Genoa going to be? What are the players to watch out?
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    Post by DS Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:52 am

    Dont think so , Serie A will take its time to be where it was once .
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    Post by bluenine Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:56 am

    Genoa got some good players, Figueroa, Adaílton, Sculli, Di Vaio, Boreillo, Paro, Papa Waigo, Bovo.... they have done a good job of assembling a team which will probably stay up in Serie A.... and once it starts gelling, it can hit the top half of teh table in a year or two...


    Alive and Kicking wrote:Hi Tonigol. First, welcome to this board.

    Serie A, should be back to its best, because Juventus are back with a big team and quality players, Napoli and Genoa are also back, and they were big teams in the past. Finally, no points will be deducted for Forientina, Milan, and Regina. The only little drawback is that some quality forward players have left the Serie A.
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    Post by tonigol Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:58 am

    Dark Savante wrote:Dont think so , Serie A will take its time to be where it was once .

    yea but Mialn won CL last season

    so in terms of quality it is still the best


    what they need to do, is build new stadiums and spend big on upgrading current ones

    in addition, they should do something about TV rights, so that they can make even more from it
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    Post by tonigol Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:59 am

    and the team to wacth will be fiorentina -- have many young stars of the future
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    Post by DS Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:02 am

    tonigol wrote:
    Dark Savante wrote:Dont think so , Serie A will take its time to be where it was once .

    yea but Mialn won CL last season

    so in terms of quality it is still the best


    what they need to do, is build new stadiums and spend big on upgrading current ones

    in addition, they should do something about TV rights, so that they can make even more from it
    If you acknowledge despite winning it Milan were not the best team , not the best X1 and not the best squad and cant compare a cup comptetion to a league one , dont think anyone catch Inter definately not Milan with the addition of Ba.
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    Post by DS Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:03 am

    I think its time tv rights in Italy go collectively it would give a huge benefit for not so known teams.
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    Post by DS Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:04 am

    And I m not knocking Serie A just saying it will take time to get back to its best after all the recent controversies.
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    Post by tonigol Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:16 am

    Dark Savante wrote:
    tonigol wrote:
    Dark Savante wrote:Dont think so , Serie A will take its time to be where it was once .

    yea but Mialn won CL last season

    so in terms of quality it is still the best


    what they need to do, is build new stadiums and spend big on upgrading current ones

    in addition, they should do something about TV rights, so that they can make even more from it
    If you acknowledge despite winning it Milan were not the best team , not the best X1 and not the best squad and cant compare a cup comptetion to a league one , dont think anyone catch Inter definately not Milan with the addition of Ba.

    yes, i think its harder to win the league than Cl, however, Cl keeps growing every year, and it is more important to win that, then the league

    and you cant deny milans team was not one of the best, they had problems up front, but they had one of the best midfields and they had the current best player in the world (kaka)
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    Post by DS Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:22 am

    Kaka and midfield is debateable but near the top definitely.
    (I think Ronaldinho is the best player and Liverpool have a claim for the best midfield.)
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    Post by tonigol Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:06 am

    Dark Savante wrote:Kaka and midfield is debateable but near the top definitely.
    (I think Ronaldinho is the best player and Liverpool have a claim for the best midfield.)

    come on is that a joke??? liverpools midfield dont even come close to milan, barca or chelsea

    and ronaldinho has had a bad 18 months, in terms of skill yes hes stil the best, but his performances have been average, where as kaka was the main reason why milan won the CL (and he scored something like 10 goals in the CL)
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    Post by gone Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:10 am

    Sorry, but again with CL vs League? How can you say the League is harder to win? If that is the case then how come United won so many titles in the last 15-20 years but only one CL?
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    Post by tonigol Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:16 am

    gone wrote:Sorry, but again with CL vs League? How can you say the League is harder to win? If that is the case then how come United won so many titles in the last 15-20 years but only one CL?

    ok they are both hard, but in the league, you can only lose a few games in the season, where as, in teh Cl you can afford to lose up to 50% of games, and you can still win it 9as most games are 2 legs)


    so they are both hard, and CL requires a lot more luck and a team with lots of depth and match winners

    i guess we caould debate this all day, but any way
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    Post by Deano Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:56 am

    bluenine wrote:Genoa got some good players, Figueroa, Adaílton, Sculli, Di Vaio, Boreillo, Paro, Papa Waigo, Bovo.... they have done a good job of assembling a team which will probably stay up in Serie A.... and once it starts gelling, it can hit the top half of teh table in a year or two...


    Alive and Kicking wrote:Hi Tonigol. First, welcome to this board.

    Serie A, should be back to its best, because Juventus are back with a big team and quality players, Napoli and Genoa are also back, and they were big teams in the past. Finally, no points will be deducted for Forientina, Milan, and Regina. The only little drawback is that some quality forward players have left the Serie A.
    How is Genoa going to be? What are the players to watch out?



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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:02 pm

    Serie A may not have all the big players anymore compared to 6/7 years ago, but i think the management of the teams are alot smarter and are looking bargains in the market and going for continuity. The clubs are much better run now and teams like Fiorentina, Lazio and Roma play very nice football despite not having the big star names.
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    Post by Rez Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:46 pm

    I think it will take a while for Seri A to get back to its glory days. They need to start buying some big players to recapture the allure that it used to have.

    Winning the CL doesnt necessarily mean the winning teams league is the best league. No one claimed the Portuguese league as the strongest when Porto won it, or the English league the strongest when Liverpool won it.

    Inter are still miles ahead of everyone else and I dont think there are any realistic signings that the other teams can make to close the gap.
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    Post by Super Progress Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:36 pm

    gone wrote:Sorry, but again with CL vs League? How can you say the League is harder to win? If that is the case then how come United won so many titles in the last 15-20 years but only one CL?
    For what i understand the english league wasnt the best back then with few consistent top teams. also the cl has become more luck based cup since they scrapped the 2nd stage. so for me inter is much stronger then milan because they had something like 30 points to milan which makes milan one of the worst teams to win the CL along with liverpool. regarding Serie a i think they will regain their strength since they are doing well with their youth players and they have more ambitous clubs like napoli/genoa.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:08 pm

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    gone wrote:Sorry, but again with CL vs League? How can you say the League is harder to win? If that is the case then how come United won so many titles in the last 15-20 years but only one CL?
    For what i understand the english league wasnt the best back then with few consistent top teams. also the cl has become more luck based cup since they scrapped the 2nd stage. so for me inter is much stronger then milan because they had something like 30 points to milan which makes milan one of the worst teams to win the CL along with liverpool. regarding Serie a i think they will regain their strength since they are doing well with their youth players and they have more ambitous clubs like napoli/genoa.

    well the CL was only for the top 1/2 teams then anyway.
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    Post by DS Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:31 pm

    I hope by midfield you mean Central midfield or if your going to include wide players then Milan midfield doesnt come anywhere the best , if you talk about CMs then Liverpool got Gerrard , Alonso,Mascherno and Sissoko.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:40 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:I hope by midfield you mean Central midfield or if your going to include wide players then Milan midfield doesnt come anywhere the best , if you talk about CMs then Liverpool got Gerrard , Alonso,Mascherno and Sissoko.

    We are talking about starting midfield.

    Kaka, Pirlo, Gattusso and Seedorf are awesome. Not only are they great individually, but they play well so well together and have done for the last 4/5 years.

    Liverpool have 4 quality central midfielders, but they will only start with 2 of them and they do not have the same chemistry as the Milan midfield.
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    Post by DS Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:04 pm

    Kaka in midfield?thats unfair , thats like Ronaldinho in midfield.

    They have Gerrard ,Alonso and Masch for their starting midfield , thats definately a match for Milan as the 4 player is Ambrosini?while Liverpool it is Kewell.
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    Post by StevieG Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:09 pm

    yer wingers liverpool aint the best but in the centre i don't think theirs any doubt thats the best centre midfield in the world
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    Post by gone Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:11 pm

    tonigol wrote:
    gone wrote:Sorry, but again with CL vs League? How can you say the League is harder to win? If that is the case then how come United won so many titles in the last 15-20 years but only one CL?

    ok they are both hard, but in the league, you can only lose a few games in the season, where as, in teh Cl you can afford to lose up to 50% of games, and you can still win it 9as most games are 2 legs)


    so they are both hard, and CL requires a lot more luck and a team with lots of depth and match winners

    i guess we caould debate this all day, but any way

    In CL you can't have a bad day in the KO rounds. In the league you can have a lot of bad days. In the league we have 3-4 hard teams that can win it, in the CL there are a lot more.
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    Post by Super Progress Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:23 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:
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    gone wrote:Sorry, but again with CL vs League? How can you say the League is harder to win? If that is the case then how come United won so many titles in the last 15-20 years but only one CL?
    For what i understand the english league wasnt the best back then with few consistent top teams. also the cl has become more luck based cup since they scrapped the 2nd stage. so for me inter is much stronger then milan because they had something like 30 points to milan which makes milan one of the worst teams to win the CL along with liverpool. regarding Serie a i think they will regain their strength since they are doing well with their youth players and they have more ambitous clubs like napoli/genoa.

    well the CL was only for the top 1/2 teams then anyway.
    no not quite. from 98 til 03 it was the top 4 from the big 3 that entered i think. and i also thought these years were better then the ones we have been having since 04-07 imo.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:53 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:Kaka in midfield?thats unfair , thats like Ronaldinho in midfield.

    They have Gerrard ,Alonso and Masch for their starting midfield , thats definately a match for Milan as the 4 player is Ambrosini?while Liverpool it is Kewell.

    why is it unfair? Milan usually play with the diamond midfield, with Kaka at the tip, Pirlo at the base, Seedorf on the left, and Gattuso on the right.

    If they play Gerrard Alonso and Masch then Gerrard is out of position, and like i said, they dont have the chemistry of the Milan quartet.
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    Post by gone Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:20 pm

    supermadrid wrote:
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    gone wrote:Sorry, but again with CL vs League? How can you say the League is harder to win? If that is the case then how come United won so many titles in the last 15-20 years but only one CL?
    For what i understand the english league wasnt the best back then with few consistent top teams. also the cl has become more luck based cup since they scrapped the 2nd stage. so for me inter is much stronger then milan because they had something like 30 points to milan which makes milan one of the worst teams to win the CL along with liverpool. regarding Serie a i think they will regain their strength since they are doing well with their youth players and they have more ambitous clubs like napoli/genoa.

    well the CL was only for the top 1/2 teams then anyway.
    no not quite. from 98 til 03 it was the top 4 from the big 3 that entered i think. and i also thought these years were better then the ones we have been having since 04-07 imo.

    The fact the Real was wining in those years has nothing to do with it. Laughing
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    Post by Super Progress Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:24 pm

    well i used 98 because i think they started to put in 4 top teams from each league there and also because i didnt really follow football before that. so im only comparing from the time i have been watching. i have no idea if it was better in the past.also i saw report on it and it did show that the goal average has been going down from this period which fits in the change of style many teams used. i couldtn care less if Real won in this period because many of my fav games i remember werent really with Real.

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