Platini - Whats your view?

We all know hes been extremely flamboyant in his ideas for change, such as 3 enterants from the major leagues, including possible cup winners in the Champions League.

The one thing that has ruffled my feathers however is his reasoning behind having 'foreign' investors in particularly the english game (no mention of English investors)

Firstly its just completely racist that he considers foreign investors to be a bad thing.

But i think what he is really saying is 'im a jealous french Pr!ck who can't stand the fact that the English have a league which is currently stronger, and with the new investment with clubs such as Pompey, West Ham, City, Villa etc, a league which is only going to get stronger'

I'm a firm believer that more money in the game is only a positive thing, firstly the clubs will have more power and won't have to be as heavily reliant on sponsorship (so more tickets at finals instead of these plastic fans turning up)

And the ability to invest into grass roots, Chelsea have developed a state of the art training ground, which will offer youngster an excellent environment to progress their talent.

Is this man, just making changes for the sake of making changes?

He does come across as a man of little brains, either that or extremely malicious...

Apparently he wants to cut down on "tackling" and to protect the skillful players.

Watching recent CL and WC games over the years, clearly tackling or fouling isnt the problem, its simulation.

If the sport gets any less physical it'll be an upmarket version of netball.

For that alone he comes across as a massive pulsating cockerel

I'm sorry if my rant, is less than coherent, i'm off work with a bloody headache.

The simple point is, has he actually come up with ANY good ideas yet?

They shouldn't be looking at cutting down on tackling but officials should be offering more protection, such as cynical fouls should be clamped down on.

If players like George Best could be kicked the $h!t out of all day long with no long term phyical damage (cue alcohol jokes), i think these fairies now can still take a little kick here and there.

I agree with his views of the so called BIG leagues having 3 representatives in the European Cup. BTW he cant change the laws of the game , only the IFAB (International Football Association Board) + FIFA are able to , i doubt they would be doing that any time soon.

also he was a legend. Henry could be taking his international goal scoring record for France.

He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

Football Genius wrote:I'm sorry if my rant, is less than coherent, i'm off work with a bloody headache.

The simple point is, has he actually come up with ANY good ideas yet?

They shouldn't be looking at cutting down on tackling but officials should be offering more protection, such as cynical fouls should be clamped down on.

If players like George Best could be kicked the $h!t out of all day long with no long term phyical damage (cue alcohol jokes), i think these fairies now can still take a little kick here and there.

You forget that the game was played at a snail's pace back then and that the players weren't nearly as "tuned" (and therefore close to becoming fragile) as today. Best never had to support the stresses to his body that a Ronaldo has to today.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

It's not the fault of the Premiership that the other leagues cannot rise to the challenge and compete commercially.

Why should Coke feel bad, if Pepsi's sales drop?

Its upto the competition to keep up.

The english top league 15 years ago was light years behind La Liga, Serie A and argueably the Bundesliga

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

Football Genius wrote:I'm sorry if my rant, is less than coherent, i'm off work with a bloody headache.

The simple point is, has he actually come up with ANY good ideas yet?

They shouldn't be looking at cutting down on tackling but officials should be offering more protection, such as cynical fouls should be clamped down on.

If players like George Best could be kicked the $h!t out of all day long with no long term phyical damage (cue alcohol jokes), i think these fairies now can still take a little kick here and there.

You forget that the game was played at a snail's pace back then and that the players weren't nearly as "tuned" (and therefore close to becoming fragile) as today. Best never had to support the stresses to his body that a Ronaldo has to today.

Don't kid yourself, sure the game was slower, but they were still athletes its not like they were ameteurs who trained one a week.

The refs gave even less protection then, and they didn't wear shin pads, not to mention having the advances in medical support they have now also.

Have a look from the horses mouth...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZXSCMi8Bik

After playing many many more games, and he is comparing with a Midfielder! As a player, Platini still remians one of the best I have ever had the fortune of watching. A genius, which very few have since matched.

As a UEFA top man, his vision seems right, not sure whether he will be able to impliment it right.

Raifael wrote:I agree with his views of the so called BIG leagues having 3 representatives in the European Cup. BTW he cant change the laws of the game , only the IFAB (International Football Association Board) + FIFA are able to , i doubt they would be doing that any time soon.

also he was a legend. Henry could be taking his international goal scoring record for France.

I think he's an imbecile. I hate him!

He's clearly suffering from jealousy - he looks at the weakness of the French league and thinks to himself 'how can I make it stronger?' and he's come up with the proposals we're now hearing. Its selfish. I can guarantee that if French football had four spots he'd have never come up with the three spot idea. Likewise the investment thing; what difference does it make who owns the club: its happened many times before across Europe but he's realising that money in the EPL is making a mockery of the French league and he's thrown his toys out the pram.

I bet his was hurling bricks at the TV last night when the third placed french team got pwned by the third place, anti-football playing English team

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

Retriction laws that apply in England mean that clubs can only take youngsters who live within an hours drive from the club itself. This rule doesnt apply to rest of Europe, so whilst Barca can scour the whole of Spain for its youth players, Man U have a tiny pool of youngsters to choose from on a nationwide scale.

The pros to this is that smaller local clubs can initially take these youngsters and then sell them on later on for a large fee. But the largest clubs in England wont buy them when they can sign cheaper foreigners,

so the blame for this lies with the FA rules rather than the foreign investors

Football Genius wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

It's not the fault of the Premiership that the other leagues cannot rise to the challenge and compete commercially.

Why should Coke feel bad, if Pepsi's sales drop?

Its upto the competition to keep up.

The english top league 15 years ago was light years behind La Liga, Serie A and argueably the Bundesliga

Still this hasn't got much to do with market attractiveness or strenght. Takhsin, Abramovich, Iceland guy are basically money laundering.. The yanks are treating the clubs as a portfolio investment. Nothing wrong with this but it is basically just market distorting.

As for the fitness issue.. I still believe that the players today are much more vulnerable. Don't kid yourself, a Pele or Best would never be able to make it past the defences of today with the kind of tricks they used back then.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

United won the treble and 6 league titles on the back there youth players. Liverpools CL win was spearheaded by two of their youth players. Chelseas captain is also a youth player. Barcelonas best players arent Spanish youth players and since I have been watching football Barcelonas best players were foriegn (usually Brazillian).

No one was talking about money when non CL teams like Lazio were spending £37m on a forward or when Real Madrid were breaking the world transfer fee record every year. But as soon as England have the money it's suddenly a bad thing. The whole money argument is pure jealousy, because your league, no longer has the money to attract the best players.

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

Retriction laws that apply in England mean that clubs can only take youngsters who live within an hours drive from the club itself. This rule doesnt apply to rest of Europe, so whilst Barca can scour the whole of Spain for its youth players, Man U have a tiny pool of youngsters to choose from on a nationwide scale.

The pros to this is that smaller local clubs can initially take these youngsters and then sell them on later on for a large fee. But the largest clubs in England wont buy them when they can sign cheaper foreigners,

so the blame for this lies with the FA rules rather than the foreign investors

So you move the family.. And didn't Beckham live in London when he came to Man Utd??

Rez wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

United won the treble and 6 league titles on the back there youth players. Liverpools CL win was spearheaded by two of their youth players. Chelseas captain is also a youth player. Barcelonas best players arent Spanish youth players and since I have been watching football Barcelonas best players were foriegn (usually Brazillian).



No one was talking about money when non CL teams like Lazio were spending £37m on a forward or when Real Madrid were breaking the world transfer fee record every year. But as soon as England have the money it's suddenly a bad thing. The whole money argument is pure jealousy, because your league, no longer has the money to attract the best players.

the spanish league is the highest spending in europe this season anyhow

He moved.

Oleguer,

It's like that everywhere though, if a successful individual in Sales, Management... whatever is asked to join a company away from where they live they have to uproot and leave. The fact that football has a shorter life cycle makes it even more imperative to get the right man in earlier.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:
As for the fitness issue.. I still believe that the players today are much more vulnerable. Don't kid yourself, a Pele or Best would never be able to make it past the defences of today with the kind of tricks they used back then.

It could be argued that they would get more protection so they would find it easier to beat players, also the balls are a lot lighter now, so they would score more goals. If Ronaldinho and Zidane played football in Peles days I wonder how they would fair having the $h!t kicked out of them for 90 minutes, playing with a medicine ball in lead boots.

@Oleguer - the rule was installed as of '98 I believe, the idea at the time being to spread money more evenly between clubs so that large clubs like Man Utd cant poach youngsters from other smaller clubs around the country. Beckham was before this ruling.

I guess moving the family is an option, although not an ideal one considering at that stage there is no guarantee its going to work out.

Its a strange ruling, one that is good in theory but means that the larger clubs like United etc where it is rock hard anyway to break into the first team , they are limited as to the kids that can join their academies.

works out better for the lower league clubs though who dont get local lads poached, but the "selling idea" onto the bigger clubs is failing because these clubs are demanding ridiculous money for their players, as is the way with English homegrown, and big clubs refuse to buy and are looking to poach from abroad now, like they've been doing to Barcelona for example

Rez wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

United won the treble and 6 league titles on the back there youth players. Liverpools CL win was spearheaded by two of their youth players. Chelseas captain is also a youth player. Barcelonas best players arent Spanish youth players and since I have been watching football Barcelonas best players were foriegn (usually Brazillian).



No one was talking about money when non CL teams like Lazio were spending £37m on a forward or when Real Madrid were breaking the world transfer fee record every year. But as soon as England have the money it's suddenly a bad thing. The whole money argument is pure jealousy, because your league, no longer has the money to attract the best players.

I agree partially. I just think the foreign investors, one of whom is a human rights abuser, will undermine the cultural identity of the Premiership. I also think the Glazers' dumping of debt on United is not a healthy thing.

As for the money in the Premiership, we've to remember that England has done very well in equally distributing the booty. Spain and Italy should take note.

Football Genius wrote:Oleguer,

It's like that everywhere though, if a successful individual in Sales, Management... whatever is asked to join a company away from where they live they have to uproot and leave. The fact that football has a shorter life cycle makes it even more imperative to get the right man in earlier.

Yeah... but I think that English clubs poach to an extreme extent.. Youth development basically means somebody at 16-17 to you (just before they are about to break through) not developing a player..

Rez wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

United won the treble and 6 league titles on the back there youth players. Liverpools CL win was spearheaded by two of their youth players. Chelseas captain is also a youth player. Barcelonas best players arent Spanish youth players and since I have been watching football Barcelonas best players were foriegn (usually Brazillian).



No one was talking about money when non CL teams like Lazio were spending £37m on a forward or when Real Madrid were breaking the world transfer fee record every year. But as soon as England have the money it's suddenly a bad thing. The whole money argument is pure jealousy, because your league, no longer has the money to attract the best players.

Real used to have La Quinta del Buitre during their successful years in the 80's , Barcelona now have some important promoted youth players in their ranks such as Puyol , Iniesta and Xavi , of course Ronaldinho , Eto'o and Messi would take the limelight as they more or less are the special players who can win the Big Games , Messi in particular was promoted from the Barcelona youth setup , plus FCB had some important players in their 'Dream Team' years who were Spanish. Both these teams can attract the best players , even though Real wont be getting Kaka for a long time he did say if he was to leave Milan it be to Real.

Barcelona in particular take such importance in youth development , and no surprise a certain Bojan who is treasured could be unleashed soon.

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote:@Oleguer - the rule was installed as of '98 I believe, the idea at the time being to spread money more evenly between clubs so that large clubs like Man Utd cant poach youngsters from other smaller clubs around the country. Beckham was before this ruling.

I guess moving the family is an option, although not an ideal one considering at that stage there is no guarantee its going to work out.

Its a strange ruling, one that is good in theory but means that the larger clubs like United etc where it is rock hard anyway to break into the first team , they are limited as to the kids that can join their academies.

works out better for the lower league clubs though who dont get local lads poached, but the "selling idea" onto the bigger clubs is failing because these clubs are demanding ridiculous money for their players, as is the way with English homegrown, and big clubs refuse to buy and are looking to poach from abroad now, like they've been doing to Barcelona for example

well that is what Youth Development is all about.. you have some 20-30 kids or so from age 12 to 17-18 that you really believe will make it, and you dedicate what is needed to develop them, stregthening the teams with whatever decent local youth players that are around..

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Rez wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

United won the treble and 6 league titles on the back there youth players. Liverpools CL win was spearheaded by two of their youth players. Chelseas captain is also a youth player. Barcelonas best players arent Spanish youth players and since I have been watching football Barcelonas best players were foriegn (usually Brazillian).



No one was talking about money when non CL teams like Lazio were spending £37m on a forward or when Real Madrid were breaking the world transfer fee record every year. But as soon as England have the money it's suddenly a bad thing. The whole money argument is pure jealousy, because your league, no longer has the money to attract the best players.

I agree partially. I just think the foreign investors, one of whom is a human rights abuser, will undermine the cultural identity of the Premiership. I also think the Glazers' dumping of debt on United is not a healthy thing.

As for the money in the Premiership, we've to remember that England has done very well in equally distributing the booty. Spain and Italy should take note.

I wish the Glazers never bought us, as we were much better of without them; in fact we're the only club who have not benefited from being taken over.

The Thai guy at city shouldnt be involved in the prem, but just like in real life people quickly forget about morals and ethics, when large amounts of money is available.

The new money in the prem is making the league much better as now mid table teams are getting good players. Hopefully within a few years the league may become as good as Seri A was at it's peak.

Raifael wrote:

Rez wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:He has a couple of good points..

Cutting down on the cynical fouling to protect the skillful players is great (but purely from my biased point of view)

As for Chelsea investing in youth Foreign investors use their money on foreign players.. Where are all the brilliant young English players that Chelsea mass produce (or Man Utd, Liverpool for that sake). Platini has a point about the foreign investors, but mostly from a market distortion point of view. Too much money in semi decent English clubs is screwing it up for the rest of Europe.

United won the treble and 6 league titles on the back there youth players. Liverpools CL win was spearheaded by two of their youth players. Chelseas captain is also a youth player. Barcelonas best players arent Spanish youth players and since I have been watching football Barcelonas best players were foriegn (usually Brazillian).



No one was talking about money when non CL teams like Lazio were spending £37m on a forward or when Real Madrid were breaking the world transfer fee record every year. But as soon as England have the money it's suddenly a bad thing. The whole money argument is pure jealousy, because your league, no longer has the money to attract the best players.

Real used to have La Quinta del Buitre during their successful years in the 80's , Barcelona now have some important promoted youth players in their ranks such as Puyol , Iniesta and Xavi , of course Ronaldinho , Eto'o and Messi would take the limelight as they more or less are the special players who can win the Big Games , Messi in particular was promoted from the Barcelona youth setup , plus FCB had some important players in their 'Dream Team' years who were Spanish. Both these teams can attract the best players , even though Real wont be getting Kaka for a long time he did say if he was to leave Milan it be to Real.

Barcelona in particular take such importance in youth development , and no surprise a certain Bojan who is treasured could be unleashed soon.

I am not saying that Real and Baca don't have any youth players, but it's not like Barcas team is full of youth players like the great Ajax teams of the past. Barcelonas best players since I have been watching european football (93) were never youth players or even Spanish. United have just as many first team players from the youth academy as Barca.

I think they should change the rules in england so you cant have foreign owners. im sure fans would want someone with local connections to run the club. i mean if you cant keep the players english(or whatever nationality) they should at least keep the club english.allthough im not sure that it is even legal to forbid such a thing because Uefa didnt have the power to restrict the number of foreign players in teams because the rules they tried to implement were clearly flawed since Cesc would be considered to be a talent that Arsenal made.

supermadrid wrote:I think they should change the rules in england so you cant have foreign owners. im sure fans would want someone with local connections to run the club. i mean if you cant keep the players english(or whatever nationality) they should at least keep the club english.allthough im not sure that it is even legal to forbid such a thing because Uefa didnt have the power to restrict the number of foreign players in teams because the rules they tried to implement were clearly flawed since Cesc would be considered to be a talent that Arsenal made.

Its not about nationality, ethniticity.. skin colour, age, gender.... its about what is best to take the club forward... and i'd like to think i know a little about this when Hicks and Gillet bought Liverpool, with a chap called Morgan who was an avid Liverpool fan wanting also to buy the club.

The proof has been in the pudding, and now we are getting an absolutely fabulous unique state of the art stadium, brought in fabulous players in the summer and look a real force, and MAY actually win the league title we have waited far too long to retain.

I gues thats your opinion but im quite sure that many man utd fans were very much against the take over and still is.If liverpools fans were against it im guesing it was mostly because liverpool didnt have much succes in football in the last 15 years or so except the CL. i just think football should have some tradition and not just in the players on the field but also the ones who run it who should be fans or voted for by the fans at least.

We are steeped in tradition, and any new owners have to embrace this, and our american owners have.

This is why in their new stadium development plans, instead of just making the most financially appealing stadium, they are replicating some of the tradition that is Liverpool, with an 18,000 one tier stand behind the goal to emulate our 'Kop' which symbolises so much of Liverpool football club.

Liverpool is a city steeped in culture 'European city of culture 2008'

And to think only 'scousers' should have anything to do with the club is outrageous...

We simply asked for a collectivness, hence 'you'll never walk alone' as mentioned before, race, ethnicity, colour, gender has no bearing on this, we just need the same one vision.

I think Platini has some good ideas - the Big three leagues have dominated the CL for far too long. Teams like Ajax or Red Star haven't a chance of getting to a final anymore, which makes the CL far too predictable.

Obviously the English fans will disagree with what he proposes which is normal, you have to protect your interests.