The worst national manager

Scolari? What has he done wrong (except still not starting Quaresma)?

blutgraetsche wrote:Scolari? What has he done wrong (except still not starting Quaresma)?

Playing Deco,Miguel,Postiga,N Gomes when they do not have a game or are playing shite on their clubs
Not playing Quaresma,Moutinho,J Andrade...
Not calling Duda,P Mendes, and others that could be of use on tight games
But we can go on....

lampiao007 wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Scolari? What has he done wrong (except still not starting Quaresma)?

Playing Deco,Miguel,Postiga,N Gomes when they do not have a game or are playing shite on their clubs
Not playing Quaresma,Moutinho,J Andrade...
Not calling Duda,P Mendes, and others that could be of use on tight games
But we can go on....

Indeed the national side should be called Scolari & friends. If you are a "friend" you can play $h!t it doesn´t matter you are in the team for sure , if you are not one of them then it doesn´t matter how good you are and how good you play.
Playing Postiga/Nuno Gomes is an insult to the national side, i preffer to play without a striker and 3 wingers or whatever.
Not playing Quaresma when he is on top form and when he does play he does it for 10/15m then saying he needs to earn his place???This is not an option, this is stupidity

I can´t wait for him to go.

Every national team manager is shite except when you win the title than you are suddenly the best manager of all time

Low seems to be a decent manager, Beenhakker a good manager, Hiddink is a great one.

Beenhakker fucked up twice the Dutch team... during that time he was the worst manager....now he is suddenly a genius...

Ricardo Jol wrote:Beenhakker fucked up twice the Dutch team... during that time he was the worst manager....now he is suddenly a genius...

No genius, you can't deny he did great with T&T and now with Poland though.

Since 1888 wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:Beenhakker fucked up twice the Dutch team... during that time he was the worst manager....now he is suddenly a genius...

No genius, you can't deny he did great with T&T and now with Poland though.

Yeah but if he coached England, Oranje or Spain he would have been quite probably the worst manager in the world....

I mean at T&T there was no pressure, in Poland the pressure was huge from the press point of view but Poland is no football giant so that makes it easier and they also fucked up the world cup. On that he could only win....

Ricardo Jol wrote:Beenhakker fucked up twice the Dutch team... during that time he was the worst manager....now he is suddenly a genius...

Bullshit. During the Italia 90 period there was an uprise, a mutiny going on by some players because after having won the EC88 and playing for the top clubs, they thought they were too good to be managed by Don Leo. And started to question his authorithy, mock him, disobey etc..

Interesting fact: Do you know who led the uprise and was the main instigator in the lockerroom?

Our current manager.

Its well documented, but its a dark past of Dutch football and Beenhakker NEVER wants to talk about it. This is the secret part of his interviews that he doesn't want to be asked or he walks out of them.
And for Van Basten's sake, the KNVB also kept this hidden.

So Van Basten's ego so far cost us us two WC by ruining it for everyone and rotting it from within. Here's to an EC to add to that list.

Ricardo Jol wrote:Every national team manager is shite except when you win the title than you are suddenly the best manager of all time

If domenech ha dwon the last WC he'd still be a $h!t manager.

So will Van Basten. Sometimes teams do achieve things in spite of their manager, not because of.


And to tell you the truth Ricardo, you're the only person I know - either from meeting in person or through the internet - that's in favour of Van Basten. Everyone else want him the fook out.

DD wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:Every national team manager is shite except when you win the title than you are suddenly the best manager of all time

If domenech ha dwon the last WC he'd still be a $h!t manager.

So will Van Basten. Sometimes teams do achieve things in spite of their manager, not because of.


And to tell you the truth Ricardo, you're the only person I know - either from meeting in person or through the internet - that's in favour of Van Basten. Everyone else want him the fook out.

Maybe Ricardo is on the board of the KNVB

Protheus wrote:

lampiao007 wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Scolari? What has he done wrong (except still not starting Quaresma)?

Playing Deco,Miguel,Postiga,N Gomes when they do not have a game or are playing shite on their clubs
Not playing Quaresma,Moutinho,J Andrade...
Not calling Duda,P Mendes, and others that could be of use on tight games
But we can go on....

Indeed the national side should be called Scolari & friends. If you are a "friend" you can play $h!t it doesn´t matter you are in the team for sure , if you are not one of them then it doesn´t matter how good you are and how good you play.
Playing Postiga/Nuno Gomes is an insult to the national side, i preffer to play without a striker and 3 wingers or whatever.
Not playing Quaresma when he is on top form and when he does play he does it for 10/15m then saying he needs to earn his place???This is not an option, this is stupidity

I can´t wait for him to go.

Scolari has made some dodgy decisons of late (playing Postiga and not playing Quaresma) but he has got you to a Euro Championship final and a WC SF, that is excellent for a country like Portugal.

scolari is bored with it now imho love to see them not qualifying

Rez wrote:Scolari has made some dodgy decisons of late (playing Postiga and not playing Quaresma) but he has got you to a Euro Championship final and a WC SF, that is excellent for a country like Portugal.

He had a selection when he arrived and with it he kept losing to medium/good sides and winning against 3rd division countries, dispite all media complains cos he didn´t use the Porto's UEFA/CL winning side in the selection as he wanted to prove he was a super manager (his ego is second to none) and he didn´t need lessons from no one (he still acts like that: Quaresma).
Then after losing his first game veresus Greece he makes a revolution in the team and plays with the Porto structure till the end of the tournement.
Result: he kept winning till he reach the final, then his brillance makes his lose again versus Greece (twice in our home soil is a quite an achievement ).
He had the best team for ages and though i can give him some merit, hell,the base of the team wasn´t built by him. His team lost again good sides all the time.Then a team who has great players and a world class player that decides a game almost single-handed helps, but hey to him all the merit is his, Portugal hadn´t qualified several times...true but we hadn´t this quality in our team for a long time too, it is curious he doesn´t reffer that.
The qualifying grops so far were a joke (he must have gone to a witch as he gets all the time weak teams and still manages to do what he has done this year).
But he is a smart one, he know how to get his back protected from the media. It is an old formula: dispise FC Porto, minimise all their achievements and use the most of the non-Porto players and you have a praise from the Lisbon-based press (almost all) and a great majority of supporters (sucessess does rise the envy and hate of rival clubs and since the majority of the supporters in Portugal belong to the 3 big if you have the Lisbon ones support you are safe for sure to do what you want).
So as you see he has everything in favor and IMHO he is a lucky bastard that was in the right place in the right time and is very well payed (biggest wage so far for a national side manager). So i doubt he will go anywhere anytime soon.

Protheus wrote:

Rez wrote:Scolari has made some dodgy decisons of late (playing Postiga and not playing Quaresma) but he has got you to a Euro Championship final and a WC SF, that is excellent for a country like Portugal.

He had a selection when he arrived and with it he kept losing to medium/good sides and winning against 3rd division countries, dispite all media complains cos he didn´t use the Porto's UEFA/CL winning side in the selection as he wanted to prove he was a super manager (his ego is second to none) and he didn´t need lessons from no one (he still acts like that: Quaresma).
Then after losing his first game veresus Greece he makes a revolution in the team and plays with the Porto structure till the end of the tournement.
Result: he kept winning till he reach the final, then his brillance makes his lose again versus Greece (twice in our home soil is a quite an achievement ).
He had the best team for ages and though i can give him some merit, hell,the base of the team wasn´t built by him. His team lost again good sides all the time.Then a team who has great players and a world class player that decides a game almost single-handed helps, but hey to him all the merit is his, Portugal hadn´t qualified several times...true but we hadn´t this quality in our team for a long time too, it is curious he doesn´t reffer that.
The qualifying grops so far were a joke (he must have gone to a witch as he gets all the time weak teams and still manages to do what he has done this year).
But he is a smart one, he know how to get his back protected from the media. It is an old formula: dispise FC Porto, minimise all their achievements and use the most of the non-Porto players and you have a praise from the Lisbon-based press (almost all) and a great majority of supporters (sucessess does rise the envy and hate of rival clubs and since the majority of the supporters in Portugal belong to the 3 big if you have the Lisbon ones support you are safe for sure to do what you want).
So as you see he has everything in favor and IMHO he is a lucky bastard that was in the right place in the right time and is very well payed (biggest wage so far for a national side manager). So i doubt he will go anywhere anytime soon.

I agree with some of your points and I understand as a Porto fan - due to the way he acts towards your club and its players - that you wont like him. But his record is excellent and its only since Scolari came have Portugal become a genuine contender (in my lifetime) in international football.

Before Scolari arrived Portugal had Figo and Rui Costa (who were better than Ronaldo and Deco) in the team from 98 onwards; in that time they didnt qualify for the 98 WC, got to the semi final of Euro 2000 and didnt get out of the group stages in WC 2002. Portugal currently have about 4 WC players and some very good players and I think he has taken them as far as they can go given the players at his disposal. Although he did lose the final, but Greece had already beaten great teams like France and Czech Republic, so it isnt as bad as it sounds.

Personally I can't believe you're complaing about Scolari, in the time he has beein in charge England with (imo) better players have only got to two QF playing horrible football along the way. Portugal arent Argentina, Brazil, Italy or Germany so you cant really expect to win every international tournament.

Axeslammer wrote:

DD wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:Every national team manager is shite except when you win the title than you are suddenly the best manager of all time

If domenech ha dwon the last WC he'd still be a $h!t manager.

So will Van Basten. Sometimes teams do achieve things in spite of their manager, not because of.


And to tell you the truth Ricardo, you're the only person I know - either from meeting in person or through the internet - that's in favour of Van Basten. Everyone else want him the fook out.

Maybe Ricardo is on the board of the KNVB

You guys were all jumping when you heard Van Basten became coach of the Dutch team... Especially because it was the holy El Salvador who said Van Basten was the best choice....

I had my serious doubts on a inexperienced manager like Van Basten... But... at the time you choose for an inexperience manager you have to accept he'll makes mistakes...

There is a huge of room for improvement for this Oranje. I agree with you guys team but still the results are there... Not many other managers would have done better...Especially when you have so many average defenders to choose from...

Melchiot, Heitinga, Opdam are quite poor

Kromkamp, De Cler, Emanuelson, Bouma, Mathijsen are average

Ooijer and Boulahrouz are good but both have had there problems...

That's more of a problem than the coach...

I know hes not in the poll but............

Steve 'twat face' Staunton

The Steve MacClaren of Ireland

How can McClaren be rated worse then Van Basten!!! You c**ts!!!

I've just looked at Aragones stats as Spain manager, he's not that bad.

Played 40
Won - 26
Draw - 10
Lost - 4

It's funny how the managers who played the most attractive football at the World Cup are now being slaughtered

Samba de Baiano wrote:I've just looked at Aragones stats as Spain manager, he's not that bad.

Played 40
Won - 26
Draw - 10
Lost - 4

It's funny how the managers who played the most attractive football at the World Cup are now being slaughtered

I'm sure you aren't talking about us, or referring to England.

Holland didn't play good football at the World Cup?

Samba de Baiano wrote:Holland didn't play good football at the World Cup?

Err...no?

Que?

I thought they were exciting to watch, with Kuyt and Robben on the wings.

You must be kidding. But hey, whatever pleases you.

That is the 1st problem , Kuyt is no winger.. sum it up near lacklustre at the last WC.

blutgraetsche wrote:

You must be kidding. But hey, whatever pleases you.

i'm with blut possibly the most unentertaining dutch side i've ever seen tbh

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

You must be kidding. But hey, whatever pleases you.

i'm with blut possibly the most unentertaining dutch side i've ever seen tbh

And it still entertained people:cheers: We certainly entertained against Portugal.

Protheus wrote:

Rez wrote:Scolari has made some dodgy decisons of late (playing Postiga and not playing Quaresma) but he has got you to a Euro Championship final and a WC SF, that is excellent for a country like Portugal.

He had a selection when he arrived and with it he kept losing to medium/good sides and winning against 3rd division countries, dispite all media complains cos he didn´t use the Porto's UEFA/CL winning side in the selection as he wanted to prove he was a super manager (his ego is second to none) and he didn´t need lessons from no one (he still acts like that: Quaresma).
Then after losing his first game veresus Greece he makes a revolution in the team and plays with the Porto structure till the end of the tournement.
Result: he kept winning till he reach the final, then his brillance makes his lose again versus Greece (twice in our home soil is a quite an achievement ).
He had the best team for ages and though i can give him some merit, hell,the base of the team wasn´t built by him. His team lost again good sides all the time.Then a team who has great players and a world class player that decides a game almost single-handed helps, but hey to him all the merit is his, Portugal hadn´t qualified several times...true but we hadn´t this quality in our team for a long time too, it is curious he doesn´t reffer that.
The qualifying grops so far were a joke (he must have gone to a witch as he gets all the time weak teams and still manages to do what he has done this year).
But he is a smart one, he know how to get his back protected from the media. It is an old formula: dispise FC Porto, minimise all their achievements and use the most of the non-Porto players and you have a praise from the Lisbon-based press (almost all) and a great majority of supporters (sucessess does rise the envy and hate of rival clubs and since the majority of the supporters in Portugal belong to the 3 big if you have the Lisbon ones support you are safe for sure to do what you want).
So as you see he has everything in favor and IMHO he is a lucky bastard that was in the right place in the right time and is very well payed (biggest wage so far for a national side manager). So i doubt he will go anywhere anytime soon.

Actualy this is not true

On Euro 2004 (albeit some people want to perpetuate this) the changes from the 1st game with Greece to the rest of the touenament where
Out P Ferreira,F Couto, Rui Costa,Rui Jorge. In Miguel,R Carvalho,Deco,N Valente


Portugal: Ricardo, Paulo Ferreira, Andrade, Couto, Rui Jorge, Costinha (Nuno Gomes 65), Maniche, Figo, Rui Costa (Deco 45), Simao (Ronaldo 45), Pauleta.
Subs Not Used: Quim, Moreira, Petit, Miguel, Nuno Valente, Ricardo Carvalho, Tiago, Postiga.

For the Russia game:
Portugal: Ricardo, Miguel, Andrade, Ricardo Carvalho, Nuno Valente, Costinha, Figo (Ronaldo 78), Maniche, Deco, Simao (Rui Costa 63), Pauleta (Nuno Gomes 57).
Subs not used: Beto, Couto, Moreira, Paulo Ferreira, Petit, Postiga, Quim, Rui Jorge, Tiago.

The game in the final
Portugal: Ricardo, Miguel (Paulo Ferreira 43), Andrade, Ricardo Carvalho, Nuno Valente, Maniche, Costinha (Rui Costa 60), Ronaldo, Deco, Figo, Pauleta (Nuno Gomes 74).
Subs not used: Moreira, Quim, Couto, Beto, Petit, Postiga, Rui Jorge, Simao, Tiago.

Besides, Costinha and P Ferreira where at fault in our defeat with Greece on the 1st game. Costinha fucked up against England and helped again fucking up against Greece in the final
Also, we did not just beat 3rd division teams. We beat some good teams in the E2004, losing to a Greek team that beat the other best teams on their path (including us). We got Englan and Holland, they got France and Czech Republic. Take your pick

I'm as incensed with him on this qualifying campaign, because of the "draw away, win at home" laizes fare attitude
Does not help to have an off side goal given against you, or a blatant penalty given as advantage (we scored, but on a penalty there is no advantage) and players that are not pulling their weight (cough,Deco,cough)

But i'm not going to go on a anti Scolari rant. We did well under him in the last 2 tournaments, and qualified with games to spare to the last WC

What I can not forgive, is the attitude in the end of the game with Dragutinovic. That, for the national coach of my country, is a definetly a no no, and he needs to be punished. irrespectively of what was said or done prior to the incident

Since 1888 wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

You must be kidding. But hey, whatever pleases you.

i'm with blut possibly the most unentertaining dutch side i've ever seen tbh

And it still entertained people:cheers: We certainly entertained against Portugal.

@Bluty, Franky

No entertainment...? Portugal -Nederland was the game of the tourney behind Zidane vs Materazzi...!

Portugal-Holland is a game that should go down in LEGEND, IMO.

McLaren came across this team by accident, and Owen so blatantly told him to call up Heskey (squad annouunced on a Saturday, Heskey called up on Sunday, without any forward dropping out). Although I'd give him credit for going with Barry >>> Carrick.