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    Post by Batman Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:56 pm

    To try and find this out i need you to list two teams.

    Team A: Will be made up of academy/youth players still at the club.

    Team B: Will be made up of academy/youth players no longer at the club but still playing professional football.

    e.g. Man Utd

    Team A:
    Heaton

    G. Neville . . . Brown . . . Evans . . . O'Shea

    Fletcher . . . Gibson

    Eagles . . . . . Scholes . . . . . Giggs

    Campbell



    Team B: ?
    GK?

    P. Neville . . . McShane . . Higginbotham . . Spector

    Beckham . . . . Butt . . . . D. Jones* . . . . Gillespie

    Ebanks-Blake . . . Healy . .


    * or Robbie Savage but he played as a striker for Man Utd at youth level.


    Question?
    Man Utd signed Kieran Richardson in 2001 from West Ham when he was 16/17, He has spent 6 years at Man Utd before signing for Sunderland. Is he a Man Utd youth product or West Ham?

    Because Man Utd also signed Pique(Barca) and Rossi(Parma) when they were both 17, but i consider Richardson a Man Utd youth player more than Pique and Rossi.

    What about Fabregas for Arsenal, does it depend on how good the player was when you signed him?


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    Post by Tweesus Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:12 pm

    Its too tough to do a squad. Our academy is improving though and we have a lot of very good players developing at all youth levels.

    I'm not sure if Cesc etc count as we bought most of them when they were about 16
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    Post by Cesc Soler Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:21 pm

    Arsenal FC

    Team B:
    Taylor

    Halls . . . Garry . . Chilvers . . Cole

    Pennant . . . . Muamba . . . . Sidwell . . . . . Thomas

    Bentley . . . Cole. .


    I didn't do Part A, as there are not enough players to choose from that I consider to be actual academy graduates. I don't think of players like Fabregas as our acedemy graduate, Barcelona taught him to play football and by the time he was 16 he was already a youth World Champion. I guess the only current player we have is Hoyte. Arsenal should be grateful to UEFA for allowing the likes of Fabregas and Clicky to be homegrown as they spent three years at the club before their 21st birthdays.
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    Post by Deano Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:23 pm

    Richardson is our product. He came through our academy. It's different with John Terry and Sol Campbell as they both left when they were about 14...

    West Ham United-current: (*=Represent their country at a certain level)

    -------------------Stech*--------------

    Spence*---Ferdinand*---Tomkins*---Harvey*

    Stokes---Noble*---Collison---Reid*

    --------Zamora---Ephraim*.

    West Ham United-overall.

    -------------------Bywater-------------

    --G-Johnson---R-Ferdinand---A-Ferdinand---Konchesky

    --Bullard---Carrick---Lampard---J-Cole-------

    -----------------Defoe---Zamora.

    Others: Fitz Hall, Jlloyd Samuel, Freddy Eastwood, Kieran Richardson, Daniel Sjolund*, Elliot Ward, Chris Cohen, Adam Newton, Enzomo Iriekpen.

    *Poached by Liverpool...young foreign talent poached by Liverpool??? Never!
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:59 pm

    Team A:

    -------------------Valdés

    Oleguer . . . Puyol . . . Olmo . . . Fali(??)

    -----------------Crosas . . . Xavi

    --------Messi . . . . . Iniesta . . . . . Giovani

    -----------------------Bojan
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    Post by Deano Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:00 pm

    Ajax will have a good one.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:02 pm

    Deano Ashton wrote:Ajax will have a good one.

    ours could do very well in most leagues... just a bit stumped for a leftback..
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    Post by fcb Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:11 pm

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:Team A:

    -------------------Valdés

    Oleguer . . . Puyol . . . Olmo . . . Fali(??)

    -----------------Crosas . . . Xavi

    --------Messi . . . . . Iniesta . . . . . Giovani

    -----------------------Bojan

    Olmo left the club for Racing de Ferrol. We can put Valiente instead. Not sure about a LB either.

    As for the other type of team, let me give it a shot:

    Reina

    Damia--Pique--Fernando Navarro

    Arteta--Cesc--Gerard--Motta--De La Pena

    Sergio Garcia--Luis Garcia

    There's also Verdu and Cristian who both play for Depor, and Rodri and Olmo who play in La Segunda
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    Post by TM Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:16 pm

    12 players lol
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    Post by Cesc Soler Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:18 pm

    I can see 11 in a 3-5-2 formation.

    Lets see Madrids team.
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    Post by fcb Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:19 pm

    TM wrote:12 players lol

    scratch

    It's a 3-5-2, look carefully! And I haven't edited it, it was right all along.
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    Post by TM Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:22 pm

    I read Fernando Navarro as two different players lol
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    Post by Batman Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:26 pm

    Deano Ashton wrote:Richardson is our product. He came through our academy.
    -------------------Bywater-------------

    --G-Johnson---R-Ferdinand---A-Ferdinand---Konchesky

    --Bullard---Carrick---Lampard---J-Cole-------

    -----------------Defoe---Zamora.


    Defoe was spotted playing for Senrab by Charlton Athletic who enrolled him at the FA National School of Excellence at Lilleshall in 1997.[1] Two years later, he took the controversial decision, aged 16, to turn professional with West Ham United, following which Charlton were subsequently awarded a compensation package rising to £1.4 million depending on Premiership and international appearances.
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    Post by TM Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:28 pm

    Cesc wrote:I can see 11 in a 3-5-2 formation.

    Lets see Madrids team.

    Not much left to be honest we got rid of most of the castilla talent this summer.

    Raul, Guti, Torres, Casillas are the only ones left. Balboa, and Bueno are also there, but no defenders.

    We have some exciitng prospects such as Javi Garcia, De La Red, Granero, Adrian Gonzalez, Agus have all been loaned/sold w/ buy back clause to allow them to gain experience.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:42 pm

    TM wrote:
    Cesc wrote:I can see 11 in a 3-5-2 formation.

    Lets see Madrids team.

    Not much left to be honest we got rid of most of the castilla talent this summer.

    Raul, Guti, Torres, Casillas are the only ones left. Balboa, and Bueno are also there, but no defenders.

    We have some exciitng prospects such as Javi Garcia, De La Red, Granero, Adrian Gonzalez, Agus have all been loaned/sold w/ buy back clause to allow them to gain experience.

    A:

    ----------------------Casillas

    M. Torres-----S. Alejandro-----Agus-----D. Guillen

    Balboa-------M. Tebar-----Guti-------Adrian

    ----------------Raul------Soldado


    B:

    -----------------Cañizares

    Arbeloa-----Mejia-----Pavon-----R. Bravo

    ---De la Red---Cambiasso---J. Garcia

    ------------------J. Guerrero

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    Post by fcb Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:43 pm

    You forgot Munitis Wink
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:44 pm

    Munitis? He's not ours, thank god!
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    Post by Cesc Soler Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:47 pm

    Mista?

    I remember he had a very good period at his time at Valencia.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:48 pm

    Cesc wrote:Mista?

    I remember he had a very good period at his time at Valencia.

    Yes, there was the one season....03/04 I think.
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    Post by Deano Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:49 pm

    Batman wrote:
    Deano Ashton wrote:Richardson is our product. He came through our academy.
    -------------------Bywater-------------

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    He was 15 when we took him. That's a fact. He then spent 3 years in our academy.
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    Post by Since 1888 Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:04 pm

    For Ajax

    Team A:
    -----------------Stekelenburg
    Heitinga-Vermaelen(?)-vdWiel-Urby
    ------------Maduro-----Davids
    ------------------Sarpong
    Boerrigter------------------Goossens
    ----------------Hasselbaink

    Team B:
    -----------------vdSar
    ------Melchiot-Mokoena-???
    ---------deJong----Landzaat
    vdVaart-----Sneijder--Seedorf
    -------Babel----------Kluivert
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    Post by Machiavel Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:10 pm

    @ Since 1888

    Schilder for Boerrigter ?

    Vermaelen also came from the Ajax youth team AFAIK.
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    Post by Since 1888 Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:12 pm

    Schilder is no wide player though...For all the attacking talent you had in your prime you seem to lack in that area.
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    Post by Machiavel Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:13 pm

    Since 1888 wrote:Schilder is no wide player though...For all the attacking talent you had in your prime you seem to lack in that area.

    True , Ajax is lacking decent wide men .. Goossens yes is one.

    Vurnon Anita can play on the right wing ..
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    Post by blutgraetsche Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:23 pm

    Anita, the captain of U19 Oranje that got spanked by our youngsters last week? Looked good, but nothing overwhelmingly special either.

    Funniest name of a male footballer ever though. Laugh
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    Post by Machiavel Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:26 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Anita, the captain of U19 Oranje that got spanked by our youngsters last week? Looked good, but nothing overwhelmingly special either.

    Funniest name of a male footballer ever though. Laugh

    Didnt see the game , what was the final score ?

    He has potential , i rate Goossens , Sarpong , Schilder and van der Wiel higher as good Ajax players coming through.
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    Post by Fey Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:26 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Anita, the captain of U19 Oranje that got spanked by our youngsters last week? Looked good, but nothing overwhelmingly special either.

    Funniest name of a male footballer ever though. Laugh

    lol! lol! lol!

    How about Poepon....if you translate it's Shiton..
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    Post by blutgraetsche Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:28 pm

    Well, chrissi and I wondered why no Dutchie miraculously was around when it happened last week. Laugh

    They beat your youngsters 3:1.

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    Fey wrote:
    lol! lol! lol!

    How about Poepon....if you translate it's Shiton..

    Laugh
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    Post by Machiavel Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:58 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Well, chrissi and I wondered why no Dutchie miraculously was around when it happened last week. Laugh

    They beat your youngsters 3:1.

    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/junioren/startseite/artikel/369557/

    Was it last Friday .. i was waiting patiently to know if Goossens started for the U21 team .. sadly he didn't Sad Sad
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