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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:21 am

    From Manchester Evening News:


    SIR Alex Ferguson celebrates 21 years at Old Trafford today - a period of unprecedented success for Manchester United.

    James Robson counts down the 21 most pivotal decisions he's made during his time at the helm of the biggest club in the world.


    21) Opting against Zidane -
    Ferguson monitored Zinedine Zidane when he was a little-known playmaker at French side Bordeaux. Despite being a big admirer of Zizou, he had nagging doubts about how to squeeze both him and Eric Cantona into the same side. Zidane went on to sign for Juventus and become the finest player in the world, while Cantona went on to announce his retirement a year later.

    20) Withdrawing from the FA Cup -
    When United opted to take part in the inaugural World Club Championships instead of defending the FA Cup they won in 1999, it was heralded as the death of football's oldest cup competition. Ferguson, meanwhile, thought he was blazing a similar trail on the world stage as Matt Busby had done in Europe 40 years prior.

    Ultimately neither prediction proved true.

    19) Selling Van Nistelrooy -
    Described by Ferguson as United's greatest striker since Denis Law, Van Nistelrooy scored 150 goals in 217 appearances. But that counted for nothing when the Dutchman was deemed to have an unsettling influence in the dressing room. Like so many before him, he was ruthlessly cast aside after five magnificent seasons. His departure, though, spurred United on to their first title in four years as the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney came out of Nistelrooy's shadow.

    18) Keeping Bryan Robson -
    When Ferguson headed to Old Trafford in 1986 he came into a club with an established drinking culture that he could not abide. As such, he dumped fans' favourites like Norman Whiteside and Paul McGrath - but turned a blind eye to Robson's antics, claiming it didn't affect the United captain's performance levels.

    Robson continued to serve the club with distinction, stewarding them through Ferguson's early years before eventually being rewarded with his first title in 1993.

    17) Rock of Gibraltar -
    At first his relationship with John Magnier looked like a match made in heaven. Not only was he the finest manager on the planet, but he was also part owner of the finest horse in Rock of Gibraltar. But it all turned sour when the issue of stud rights came up, with the argument escalating to the boardroom and at one point seemingly threatening Ferguson's very position at the club. The two parties eventually came to a settlement, and Fergie's interest in horse racing has been distinctly lower profile ever since.

    16) Appointing Steve McClaren -
    He might be far from convincing as England manager - but McClaren was fabulously successful as Fergie's No2 at Old Trafford. Recruited when Brian Kidd left to take charge of Blackburn in 1998, McClaren's first season saw United complete the treble. He went on to help them to two more titles in successive years before heading for Middlesbrough in 2001. The following season United failed to win the Premier League for the first time in three years.

    15) Selling Stam -
    Whether it was his autobiography, injury record, form or the £16m Lazio were willing to pay for him, Stam's departure was a costly one for United. Not least because he was replaced with an immobile and ineffective Laurent Blanc. Without their rock at the back, United relinquished the title after three successive wins - finishing the 2001-2 season in third place and behind Liverpool for the only time since the Premier League began.

    14) Eric Harrison -
    Fergie put his faith in Eric Harrison when deciding that a proper youth structure was the key to success.

    As youth team coach Harrison played a pivotal role in the development of all Fergie's fledglings. From Giggs to Darren Fletcher and everyone in between, Harrison nurtured them through the early days.

    13) Burying the hatchet with Schmeichel -
    The Great Dane looked to be on his way out of United in 1995 despite four outstanding years at the club. Ferguson had blamed Schmeichel's kicking for United's failure to hold on to a 3-0 lead at Anfield, prompting a furious bust-up. The keeper was all set to leave when the manager overheard him apologising to his team-mates, and decided to forget the incident. Schmeichel went on to win four more titles with United and captained their 1999 Champions' League victory in his final appearance for the club.

    12) Standing by Cantona -
    The Frenchman's kung fu kick on a fan at Selhurst Park in 1995 led to furious calls for his departure. Ferguson, though, had other plans - going to great lengths to convince Cantona that he still had a future at Old Trafford. How right he was as Cantona came back to captain United's next generation to the double and back-to-back titles.

    11) Keane fallout -
    Of all the players Ferguson has had to let go, the acrimonious departure of Keane was probably the most painful. After publicly slating his team-mates on MUTV, the fiery Irishman was given his marching orders. In truth he had been below his best for some time and his exit forced Ferguson to embrace the future - splashing out £18m on Michael Carrick.

    10) Selling Beckham -
    No sooner than a flying boot struck the head of the then England captain, his departure from Old Trafford was inevitable.

    Ronaldo's arrival cushioned the loss of the midfielder - but his absence still had a profound impact on United, who would take four years to win another Premier League title.

    9) Signing Ryan Giggs -
    Giggs was connected with Manchester City when Fergie turned up on his doorstep with YTS forms for United. His*high hopes for the Welshman led him to watch his youth games as a teenager, before heading off to prepare for first team matches later that day. Arguably the club's greatest ever servant - Giggs has been a pivotal part of each of the nine titles won under Ferguson.

    Cool Announcing retirement -
    When Ferguson revealed he was set to retire at the end of the 2001-2 season it was largely blamed for a rather limp defence of the title they'd dominated for the previous three seasons - with a number of players deemed to have coasted as they awaited his replacement.

    7) Scrapping retirement plans -
    With Sven Goran Eriksson reputedly set to be announced as his successor, Ferguson shelved plans to step aside, instead promising to build a third great team at United. His decision was soon vindicated as he went on to win his eighth title at Old Trafford the next season.

    6) Bringing through the kids -
    Fresh from missing out on the title to Blackburn and FA Cup to Everton in 95, Ferguson called time on his first great United side - selling off Paul Ince, Andrei Kanchelskis and Mark Hughes. In came youth academy graduates Beckham, Butt, Scholes and the Nevilles, prompting BBC television pundit, Alan Hansen, to assert: "You never win anything with kids." How wrong he was as United went on to win the double and those same kids proved the nucleus of the 1999 treble-winning side and beyond.

    5) Selecting Robins -
    The FA Cup third round clash with Nottingham Forest 1990 looked every bit a must-win for Ferguson. With the national press already writing his obituary, defeat would surely have cost him his job, little over three years in the post. He opted to play a little-known prospect from the youth team called Mark Robins, who stooped to head the only goal of the match and set Ferguson on course for his first trophy at United and spark a flood of silverware.

    4) Dropping Leighton -
    If Robins spared Ferguson the sack, his decision to drop Jim Leighton for the Cup Final replay against Crystal Palace, truly saved his job. Given that United ended the season just five points above the relegation zone, he needed tangible proof that he was building something at Old Trafford. His first piece of silverware provided that - but not without putting Jim Leighton's nose out of joint. The Scotland international's jittery performance in the 3-3 draw in the first match, led to Ferguson calling on loanee Les Sealey, who duly kept a clean sheet in a 1-0 win.

    3) Sending in the SAS -
    With 23 minutes remaining and United trailing 1-0 to Bayern Munich in the 1999 European Cup final, Ferguson threw on Teddy Sheringham to try to turn the match. With nine minutes left and still no change, he sent for Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. With only stoppage time remaining United were still behind to Mario Basler's sixth minute strike. By full-time both Sheringham and Solksjaer had scored to clinch the treble.

    2) Taking a chance on Cantona -
    The Frenchman had been pivotal to Leeds edging United to the title in 1992 and his brilliance was beyond question. But he came with baggage and enfant terrible image that Howard Wilkinson couldn't tame. When Leeds made an approach for Denis Irwin in late 1992, Fergie countered with a cheeky request for Cantona. The rest is history.

    1) Accepting the job -
    Surely the most pivotal of all, not just for Ferguson but Manchester United. He brought unprecedented success and returned to the summit of English football at a time of massive change for the national game. Ferguson had already reputedly gone close to taking a job at Tottenham, only to later change his mind. Had he not, the face of English football might be very different today.


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    May be better in the United thread but I thought others may want a read. Raises some very good points.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:36 am

    An enjoyable read. Don't think the decision to sign Cantona should be as high though.

    I actually watched a lot of Cantona when he was at Leeds, Live! I must have seen the guy play about ten times as me and my Dad used to go to tonnes of games back then - and he was incredible. He was a hero with the fans even without his fiery temperament. Still remember his performance in the charity shield. Wasn't that inspired though of SAF to sign him - he was clearly a top class player. People seem to forget just how good he was at Leeds. He didn't suddenly turn into a top class player when he signed for Utd.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:40 am

    ok

    The story goes (this is from Fergie) that Bruce and Pallister told Fergie how fucking hard he was to play against. So around the time we were looking for a striker (we nearly signed David Hurst) Leeds rang up enquiring about Denis Irwin, which we refused without thinking. However whilst on the phone Fergie got Edwards to enquire about Cantona and Leeds rang back soon after saying they would sell.

    He did have some disciplinary issues with Leeds as well, which made them consider the sale.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:44 am

    Cantona fell out with Lee Chapman, that was the problem - and they both refused to play with each other. Chapman's a right c**t though, wife beater ok

    At the games at the time everyone was booing Chapman when he was playing and cheering Cantona with the 'ooh ahh cantona, say ooh ahh Cantona' chant, but the manager saw it differently and thought Leeds should keep Chapman and sell Cantona.

    You're right though, Utd weren't necessarily interested in him that much - but he was very much available
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:46 am

    bizarre isn't it, would fergie have phoned up Leeds to enquire if they hadn't enquired about re-signing Denis Irwin?
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:46 am

    Chapman was one of the strikers we looked at. pale
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:47 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:bizarre isn't it, would fergie have phoned up Leeds to enquire if they hadn't enquired about re-signing Denis Irwin?

    I really don't know.

    It could all be a yarn from Fergie.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:48 am

    Parks lives wrote:Chapman was one of the strikers we looked at. pale

    Imagine if you'd signed him Very Happy

    Actually, his strike rate in the previous season had been better than Cantona's - but all Cantona's goals were top class whereas Chapman's were either headers or poacher goals. In fairness, Chapman wasn't bad, he just wasn't Cantona
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    Post by DD Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:53 am

    Tweedle wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Chapman was one of the strikers we looked at. pale

    Imagine if you'd signed him Very Happy

    Actually, his strike rate in the previous season had been better than Cantona's - but all Cantona's goals were top class whereas Chapman's were either headers or poacher goals. In fairness, Chapman wasn't bad, he just wasn't Cantona
    Comparable difference with Berbatov and Darren Bent.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:59 am

    DD wrote:
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    Parks lives wrote:Chapman was one of the strikers we looked at. pale

    Imagine if you'd signed him Very Happy

    Actually, his strike rate in the previous season had been better than Cantona's - but all Cantona's goals were top class whereas Chapman's were either headers or poacher goals. In fairness, Chapman wasn't bad, he just wasn't Cantona
    Comparable difference with Berbatov and Darren Bent.

    RVP and Bent maybe. Berbatov has suddenly turned $h!t apparently Wink
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:02 pm

    i don't think Berba is suddenly sh¡t, just he did get a bit over hyped on here last season imho.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:04 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:i don't think Berba is suddenly sh¡t, just he did get a bit over hyped on here last season imho.

    Well he managed over 20 goals per season in the league in his two previous seasons at Leverkusen. I think the hype was deserved.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:53 pm

    Not signing Robbie Keane for £1m was also an interesting choice.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:53 pm

    Sgoater1 wrote:Not signing Robbie Keane for £1m was also an interesting choice.

    When was that?
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    Post by Sgoater1 Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:55 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    Sgoater1 wrote:Not signing Robbie Keane for £1m was also an interesting choice.

    When was that?


    Years ago, when i think he was at Wolves or before hand, he said he wouldnt sign him for £1m....just didnt rate him.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:56 pm

    Fair enough, not heard that one.

    Not sure he'd make our first XI now, though he'd be great back up.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:03 am

    The follow on -


    SAF: 21 transfer targets that got away

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    From Manchester Eveing News:

    Ferguson: 21 that got away

    The Reds boss has signed some gems in his time, but here is a selection of the players he missed out on.

    21: John Hartson
    - Not a Ferguson target, but might well have ended up at United had Brian Kidd and Martin Edwards got their way. After Arsenal's slick football had seen them move into the ascendancy in 1998, the direct style of Hartson was deemed United's best response. Ferguson baulked at the suggestion - quashing the move, signing Dwight Yorke and winning the treble.

    20: Jon Obi Mikel
    - United made the best part of £8m on the Nigerian who never played a single game for the club. But the £16m Chelsea paid to resolve the controversial midfielder's contract dispute might still end up looking a bargain.

    19: David Ginola
    - Despite winning the title at a canter in 2000 and 2001, Ferguson thought Ginola - then nearing the twilight of his career at Tottenham - could add some guile to United in Europe.

    18: Terry Butcher
    - Though Ferguson didn't try to sign him at United, one of the first questions he asked when arriving at Old Trafford in 86 was why the England defender had been allowed to leave Ipswich for Rangers earlier that year.

    17: Laurent Blanc
    - The languid French defender eventually signed in 2001 - but at 36 he was a shadow of the player he'd been throughout his career. Ferguson tried and failed a number of times to get him at his peak, which explains why he was so desperate to bring him to Old Trafford even when he was so clearly past his best.

    16: David Hirst
    - In 92 Hirst was as sought-after as Alan Shearer and one of the two strikers Ferguson had identified as being capable of firing United to the title. But whereas Southampton welcomed offers for Shearer, Sheffield Wednesday simply wouldn't budge over Hirst. Given his subsequent injuries, it's probably just as well.

    15: Paolo Di Canio
    - With United's bid for a fourth successive title in 2002 faltering - Ferguson moved to freshen up his attack. He signed Diego Forlan, but thought controversial Italian Di Canio would give his side an extra dimension. His failure to offload Yorke, ultimately meant he had to shelve plans for the West Ham man.

    14: Brian Laudrup
    - When Eric Cantona hung up his boots in 97, Laudrup was seen as the perfect replacement following his outstanding performances for Rangers. With the move south of the border all but sealed, the Dane decided stay in Scotland for another year, prompting United to turn their attentions to Teddy Sheringham.

    13: Matt Le Tissier
    - The move that never was. The Southampton talisman's maverick abilities meant he was long seen as the natural successor to Eric Cantona, but ended up spending his entire career at the Dell.

    12: Patrick Kluivert
    - After seeing Arsenal overtake United in 98, Ferguson set his sights on adding firepower. He targeted Yorke and Kluivert. In the end he had to settle for Yorke, whose partnership with Andy Cole spearheaded the treble success the following season.

    11: Arjen Robben
    - The flying Dutchman's move to United was all but sealed midway through the 2003-4 season as Ferguson began building his latest generation at Old Trafford. But disputes over his price allowed Chelsea to steal in for the electric winger, who would go on to star in their title-winning campaign the following season.

    10: Marcello Salas
    - After extensive scouting by Martin Ferguson in 97, United looked all set to move for the then unknown Chilean striker, who would be eligible to play in the second half of that season's Champions' League campaign. But with Cole and Sheringham filling their boots at the time and United looking set to win a third successive title at a canter, Ferguson could not justify the move to the Old Trafford board. Soon after the goals dried up, United limped out of Europe and relinquished the title to Arsenal to prompt a frantic summer search for a new hit man.

    9: Mick Harford
    - Most United fans would hardly consider the lanky striker, who spent the best part of his career at Luton, much of a loss. But Ferguson believes he would have been the difference between winning and losing the title to Leeds in 92.

    8: Stan Collymore
    - Midway through the 94-95 season Ferguson wanted to freshen up a strike force that had led United to back-to-back titles and identified Collymore (below) as the man. But when he tried to negotiate a deal with Nottingham Forest, Frank Clark refused to take his calls. He ended up moving on to his second choice, Andy Cole, who went on to score 121 goals for the club - winning eight major trophies.

    7: Alan Shearer
    - Ferguson first tried to sign Shearer when he was a precocious goal scorer at Southampton in 92. Fresh from allowing Leeds to pip United to the title, he was looking for a prolific striker to play off Mark Hughes and Brian McClair. But deterred by Shearer's apparent preoccupation with money, the forward went on to sign for Blackburn for a British transfer record £3.6m. It turned out not to be such a loss with Cantona signing a few months later.

    6: Peter Beardsley
    - Ferguson wanted to sign the Newcastle forward, who had once been at United on loan, when beginning his rebuilding of United in 87, but baulked at the £3m asking price. So it was understandable that he was so infuriated when Beardsley went to Liverpool for £1.9m that same year.

    5: John Barnes
    - Then at Watford, Barnes was generally accepted as one of the country's finest talents. Ferguson though had already committed Jesper Olsen to a long-term deal and opted against pursuing his interest in the winger, who went on to become a pivotal part of Liverpool's title-winning sides of 88 and 90. He later admitted that was one of his greatest regrets.

    4: Zinedine Zidane
    - Ferguson thought long and hard about making a move for the Gallic genius when he was a little-known playmaker at Bordeaux. But doubts about how to incorporate him in a team that already included Cantona convinced him to pass up the opportunity.

    3: Ronaldinho
    - Having sold David Beckham to Real Madrid in the summer of 2003, Ferguson was looking for a new icon for his team and was determined to land the brilliant Brazilian Ronaldinho. But despite being at the front of the queue for the Paris St Germain playmaker, United somehow conspired to blow the deal, allowing Barcelona to snap him up and promptly return to the summit of European football.

    2: Paul Gascoigne
    - Ferguson went on holiday in 88 believing he'd secured the signing of the most exciting English talent in recent memory. Relaxing by the hotel pool, a message over the tannoy told him he had a phone call. It was Martin Edwards. Gascoigne had just signed for Tottenham.

    1: Alan Shearer
    - After being burned once over the England hit man, Ferguson was certain he'd get his man when going back in for Shearer in 96. The striker had starred at Euro 96, while United were on the back of their second double in three years. It looked like the perfect match. Shearer, though, threw a spanner in the works when signing for Newcastle for a world record £15m. United still went on to win the title.
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    Post by Deano Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:09 am

    21: John Hartson
    - Not a Ferguson target, but might well have ended up at United had Brian Kidd and Martin Edwards got their way. After Arsenal's slick football had seen them move into the ascendancy in 1998, the direct style of Hartson was deemed United's best response. Ferguson baulked at the suggestion - quashing the move, signing Dwight Yorke and winning the treble.
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    I think people forget that Hartson was a good striker...simply because he started to go downhill of late...

    He scored 21 goals for us in that season United won the treble...so I don't see how not opting to sign him looked brilliant at the time.
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    Post by Rez Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:13 pm

    I think Gazza, Ronaldinho and Zidane should be ahead of Shearer. Shearer wouldnt have mad that much of a difference to what united won. Zidane and Ronaldinho would have taken our team to new levels. Gazza under SAF would have helped us win the league a lot earlier and would have probably gone on to become one of Englands best ever players.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:16 pm

    Rez wrote:I think Gazza, Ronaldinho and Zidane should be ahead of Shearer. Shearer wouldnt have mad that much of a difference to what united won. Zidane and Ronaldinho would have taken our team to new levels. Gazza under SAF would have helped us win the league a lot earlier and would have probably gone on to become one of Englands best ever players.

    Or he'd have joined the 'drinking culture' guys and dragged the team down to the point that Fergie would have been sacked before 1991. And he did go on to become one of England's best ever players, just not one of the most successful.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:18 pm

    That was 1988 though Roger. Not long after that McGrath and Whiteside had been kicked out.

    Doubt he'd of been there long enough for it to ruin him completely.
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    Post by Kimbo Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:20 pm

    I love how that list is dominated by one man. Laughing

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    Post by Parks lives Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:21 pm

    1: Alan Shearer
    - After being burned once over the England hit man, Ferguson was certain he'd get his man when going back in for Shearer in 96. The striker had starred at Euro 96, while United were on the back of their second double in three years. It looked like the perfect match. Shearer, though, threw a spanner in the works when signing for Newcastle for a world record £15m. United still went on to win the title


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    Post by Kimbo Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:22 pm

    Parks lives wrote:1: Alan Shearer
    - After being burned once over the England hit man, Ferguson was certain he'd get his man when going back in for Shearer in 96. The striker had starred at Euro 96, while United were on the back of their second double in three years. It looked like the perfect match. Shearer, though, threw a spanner in the works when signing for Newcastle for a world record £15m. United still went on to win the title


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    You could've/would've been more succesful in europe if you had that beast playing upfront for you though. ok
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    Post by Rez Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:44 pm

    Kimbo wrote:I love how that list is dominated by one man. Laughing

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    Jingoism Kimbo, everyone knows that Ronaldinho and Zidane would have been 10 times more influential than big gay Al.

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    Post by Kimbo Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:49 pm

    Rez wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:I love how that list is dominated by one man. Laughing

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    Jingoism Kimbo, everyone knows that Ronaldinho and Zidane would have been 10 times more influential than big gay Al.

    Biggrin <Ale>

    They went to bigger clubs though, if Al have gone to Juve or Madrid i'm sure it would be easier to take. But here we are 10 years on and his move to Newcastle still leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Biggrin <Ale>

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