German wonderkids start to grow up

I have told you about the emergence of Gomez as the hottest "striker talent" in world football a long-time ago

the boy is more exciting than Messi and Robinho combined ( in terms of killer instinct)

in his first full professional season he became "Bundesliga Player of the Year" ahead of the likes of Diego, Klose, Lahm and VDV

now he is proving to be more predatory than Toni despite playing in a shite team

his goal per game stats are out of this world

and obviously

he should now play together with Klose for Germany

Kuranyi , who is better than Robinho, Rooney and the lot of them, will have to sit on the bench

ditto Poldi

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yesterday, the U-21 defeated Luxemburg 6:0

same old, same old; and nothing to write home about

YET

all eyes were on Khedira, the boy who already declined an offer from AC Milan

the young German plays as a defensive midfielder and

still SCORED THREE GOALS



when have you lot last seen Makalele, Vieira, Gattuso or Mascherano score THREE against ANYBODY



then we had the emergence of BOENISCH out of nowhere

the full-back terrorised Rangers the other day for WErder, despite being a complete novice

good to see that the Conveyor-belt of German talents is churning them out faster than we can absord them

nice to have options

Luxemburg.......

The Easter Bunny wrote:Luxemburg.......

""" when have you lot last seen Makalele, Vieira, Gattuso or Mascherano score THREE against ANYBODY
"""

26-Otto-19 wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:Luxemburg.......

""" when have you lot last seen Makalele, Vieira, Gattuso or Mascherano score THREE against ANYBODY
"""

Most of those are pure holding Defensive mids. This new vunderkid is probably in the mold of Pirlo if anything.

PS: When was the last time Borowski got a hattrick btw?

26-Otto-19 wrote:
YET

all eyes were on Khedira, the boy who already declined an offer from AC Milan

the young German plays as a defensive midfielder and

still SCORED THREE GOALS

that's a good germanic sounding name otto

The Easter Bunny wrote:

26-Otto-19 wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:Luxemburg.......

""" when have you lot last seen Makalele, Vieira, Gattuso or Mascherano score THREE against ANYBODY
"""

Most of those are pure holding Defensive mids. This new vunderkid is probably in the mold of Pirlo if anything.

PS: When was the last time Borowski got a hattrick btw?

Vieira was NOT just a pure holding midfielder

but I take your point

Khedira is FAR MORE VERSITILE than most so-called "defensive midfielders"

he is to the number 6 what Lehmann is to the number 1

as for Borowski: you have to ask chrissicross

I have stopped following the progress of Werder ever since Allofs starting fucking up badly (by NOT replacing Klose and buying Carlos) and by refusing to get rid of SChaaf

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the club board are a bunch of morons who cannot even extend their stadium properly, let alone build a new one

Bremen are entertaining but taking away an important CL place that a team like Leverkusen would use to actually progress a bit once in a while

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

26-Otto-19 wrote:
YET

all eyes were on Khedira, the boy who already declined an offer from AC Milan

the young German plays as a defensive midfielder and

still SCORED THREE GOALS

that's a good germanic sounding name otto

actually

in the language of his father you spell Khedira like this

سامي خضيرة‎‎

welcome to modern Germany



nobody stops England from using the odd Indian born and raised in Wigan

you Brits have to move with the times

well, you already did : see Lennox Lewis, Hargreaves, Lewis Hamilton, Khan and Co

otto your becoming the new france, before long you'll be like them, no or vvvvv few natives in the team

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:otto your becoming the new france, before long you'll be like them, no or vvvvv few natives in the team

still many white faces about

in the current First 11

Ballack, Frings, Schneider, Schweini

Lahm, Merte, Friedrich, Jansen

Lehmann

but you are right

the next generation has a strong "migration-influence"

surely, this is a GOOD thing

a well-integrated society needs to provide options for EVERYBODY

and if Khedira can be a role-model for others , jolly good stuff

having said that, his mother is German (the father Tunisian), he was born in Stuttgart and raised there

he is A LOT more German than Hargreaves is English

wahre G

A Gomes - Klose partnerhsip probably is the best for Germany.

On Kuranyi I hear different stories from Schalke fans. They do NOT rate him as high as you do (probably nobody does).

Your U21 winning 6-0 v a footy dwarf is nothing to write home about. You should just count your blessings, you're are in a dead easy qualification group (like Holland, who unlike Germany U21 are unbeaten). Start talking your team up after they beat proper opposition. Now this might haunt you, when your U21 would be knocked out in the playoffs, like your U17s the other week were kocked out in the group stages.

By the way your U21s were only 1-0 at HT and didn't look that great. In fact theyn toally lacked creativity to break up the defence of the mighty Luxembourg.

I saw Boenisch play v Rangers. he was very lauffreudig (runs a lot), but lacked a decent cross. In fact he could deliver any with his left foot, so after he ran past an opponent he had to cut back to his right foot allowing the defender to catch up with him & block his attempted cross. 1 of the reason why Werder are knocked out.

Holland SHOULD produce FAR MORE TALENTS than Germany

but it's the other way round

I have an article somewhere at home with all the facts and figures

there are now MORE DUTCH players in the Eredivisie than GERMAN players in the Bundesliga

add all your expat-players and Holland have more first league professionals these days than the Vaterland

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they get more playing time

Poldi or Schweini or Ottl ... are sitting on the bench most of the time

a Huntelaar PLAYS regularly

and don't come me with the population argument

it's a bottle-neck-situation

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we play more DIFFERENT sports

in other words

Holland are underperforming and Germany are overperforming

wahre G

one of these days we have to start a thread on this

So Kedhira AND Gomez, now those are proper and traditional GERMAN names, Thank God GERMANY still produces good players.

Otto you've 6 times as many people (same goes for registered football players). You should have 6 times the amount of talent Holland has. Talnets are not created while playing pro-footy. They're created beforehand. If there are too little german Bundesliga players, than you do something wrong in teaching your kids how to play footy.

A little less running, less focus on physical fitness & far more attention to basic skills development would not harm.

Juligen wrote:So Kedhira AND Gomez, now those are proper and traditional GERMAN names, Thank God GERMANY still produces good players.

says a lady from Brazil



and Diego Maradona is a TRADITIONAL Gaucho name

Ronaldo's and Pele's ANCESTORS were Brazilian aboriginies

and your Cardinal is a typical Samba dancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cl%C3%A1udio_Hummes



as for your national coach

""" Dunga (born Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri on October 31, 1963 in Ijuí, Rio Grande do Sul) is a Brazilian former football defensive midfielder, of Italian and German descent, and a World Champion for Brazil in the 1994 World Cup. He is now national coach of the Brazilian national team. Dunga's nickname is Portuguese for Dopey, one of the Seven Dwarfs. Carlos' uncle gave him this nickname when he believed that Carlos would never grow to a tall stature.

De Guzman wrote:Otto you've 6 times as many people (same goes for registered football players). You should have 6 times the amount of talent Holland has. Talnets are not created while playing pro-footy. They're created beforehand. If there are too little german Bundesliga players, than you do something wrong in teaching your kids how to play footy.

A little less running, less focus on physical fitness & far more attention to basic skills development would not harm.

bottle-neck, old chap

bottle-neck

will start a thread on it in due course

the truth is

Holland are UNDERACHIEVING

wahre G

Whatever happened to the Aryan race?? How many German players today are Jews? Hitler would be rolling in his grave what has happened to his country

26-Otto-19 wrote:

De Guzman wrote:Otto you've 6 times as many people (same goes for registered football players). You should have 6 times the amount of talent Holland has. Talnets are not created while playing pro-footy. They're created beforehand. If there are too little german Bundesliga players, than you do something wrong in teaching your kids how to play footy.

A little less running, less focus on physical fitness & far more attention to basic skills development would not harm.

bottle-neck, old chap

bottle-neck

will start a thread on it in due course

the truth is

Holland are UNDERACHIEVING

wahre G

which bottleneck? do most Germans have some special gen making it impossible to control a ball? If your grass roots footy would be beter, you would see more players int he Bundelsiga. Now they need to go abraod top look for creativity & skil.

it's mostly down to German self-loathing

your chances of progressing in German football are FAR higher when you are a foreign talent than when you are a Teutonic talent

it's preposterous but true

most Bundesliga clubs treat their deutsche Talente with DISDAIN

Bayern are the worst

but even Schalke are awful

take Oezil: the club were VERY excited about him and did not TRUST him and therefore rarely played him

then Marcelinho leaves making space for the U-21 player to become a regular

what do Schalke now do

they buy an East-European TALENT, Raktic, who plays MORE than Oezil because he's the exciting young foreign talent

this would NEVER happen in Holland or England (exception Arsenal: Wenger hates English players)

I love Germans to bits, but sometimes they are MAD

they certainly do little to support German football unless they have ZERO money like Leverkusen or Stuttgart

26-Otto-19 wrote:
most Bundesliga clubs treat their deutsche Talente with DISDAIN

this is a common problem throughout europe, the decent local kids are almost better off witha 2nd div side to actually get games at 1st team level

Rakitic plays because he's better than Oezil.

The main problem for Germany is Bayern buying lots of talented youngsters. They will not get enough playing time overthere. The players & their agents shouldn't opt for more money, but take a lower salary elsewhere as an investment in the future. Youngsters need to play as much as possible.

It's not about clubs treating talents with disdain, it's about talents picking wrong clubs.

It's a bit of a myth that Bayern don't give their youngsters enough playing time. Jansen, Ottl, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Lell all got/get plenty of time to play and chances to grow. Podolski was injured for most of the last season and has to compete with two of the most prolific goal scorers now. Why Schlaudraff never got a genuine chance under Hitzfeld is a mystery to me though?

And Otto is right in regard to Özil. It's a disgrace how some of our youngsters are treated whereas foreign prospects can do no wrong. Hertha BSC, their retarded general manager D. Hoeneß and former coach Götz are another prime example for the mistreatment of their own talents by the way.

De Guzman wrote:Rakitic plays because he's better than Oezil.

The main problem for Germany is Bayern buying lots of talented youngsters. They will not get enough playing time overthere. The players & their agents shouldn't opt for more money, but take a lower salary elsewhere as an investment in the future. Youngsters need to play as much as possible.

It's not about clubs treating talents with disdain, it's about talents picking wrong clubs.

Works the same in all leagues....

Aissati who's a much bigger talent than Podolski, doesn't get any playing time at PSV for example.

26-Otto-19 wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:Luxemburg.......

""" when have you lot last seen Makalele, Vieira, Gattuso or Mascherano score THREE against ANYBODY
"""

well if my neighbourhood in Buenos Aires, good and old Palermo, was allowed to field a team and play Argentina on an official FIFA game for the WC qualification, I'm sure a player like Mascherano would be able to score a few goals too...heck I bet me and my weekends team would be able to score a few

26-Otto-19 wrote:I have told you about the emergence of Gomez as the hottest "striker talent" in world football a long-time ago

the boy is more exciting than Messi and Robinho combined ( in terms of killer instinct)

in his first full professional season he became "Bundesliga Player of the Year" ahead of the likes of Diego, Klose, Lahm and VDV

now he is proving to be more predatory than Toni despite playing in a shite team

f@ck you, too... Thanks a bunch, Otto!

his goal per game stats are out of this world

and obviously

he should now play together with Klose for Germany

"Klose hat seinen Laufweg für beendet erklärt."

Btw, I watched the Stuttgart v Rostock game live and in the stadium last weekend, and even if this sounds like my usual grumbling, Gomez didn't look all that sharp, was caught offside more than a few times and generally looked out of it (as a side note: Bastürk should be benched! ) until late in the game.

all eyes were on Khedira, the boy who already declined an offer from AC Milan

the young German plays as a defensive midfielder and

still SCORED THREE GOALS

Good to hear he improved. He was pretty anonymous at the weekend (well, I didn't really notice him being on the pitch unless he lost the ball).

Ballhaeschen wrote:It's a bit of a myth that Bayern don't give their youngsters enough playing time. Jansen, Ottl, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Lell all got/get plenty of time to play and chances to grow. Podolski was injured for most of the last season and has to compete with two of the most prolific goal scorers now. Why Schlaudraff never got a genuine chance under Hitzfeld is a mystery to me though?

And Otto is right in regard to Özil. It's a disgrace how some of our youngsters are treated whereas foreign prospects can do no wrong. Hertha BSC, their retarded general manager D. Hoeneß and former coach Götz are another prime example for the mistreatment of their own talents by the way.

Beg to differ. It would be better for say Schweinsteiger to play every match at a midtable Bundesliga club than to get some starts and mainly be a sub at Bayern.

Ballhaeschen wrote:It's a bit of a myth that Bayern don't give their youngsters enough playing time. Jansen, Ottl, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Lell all got/get plenty of time to play and chances to grow. Podolski was injured for most of the last season and has to compete with two of the most prolific goal scorers now. Why Schlaudraff never got a genuine chance under Hitzfeld is a mystery to me though?

And Otto is right in regard to Özil. It's a disgrace how some of our youngsters are treated whereas foreign prospects can do no wrong. Hertha BSC, their retarded general manager D. Hoeneß and former coach Götz are another prime example for the mistreatment of their own talents by the way.

I'd dare to say that if Lahm hadn't got the loan deal with Stuttgart, he wouldn't have made it... And that's not just club bias.

De Guzman wrote:

Ballhaeschen wrote:It's a bit of a myth that Bayern don't give their youngsters enough playing time. Jansen, Ottl, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Lell all got/get plenty of time to play and chances to grow. Podolski was injured for most of the last season and has to compete with two of the most prolific goal scorers now. Why Schlaudraff never got a genuine chance under Hitzfeld is a mystery to me though?

And Otto is right in regard to Özil. It's a disgrace how some of our youngsters are treated whereas foreign prospects can do no wrong. Hertha BSC, their retarded general manager D. Hoeneß and former coach Götz are another prime example for the mistreatment of their own talents by the way.

Beg to differ. It would be better for say Schweinsteiger to play every match at a midtable Bundesliga club than to get some starts and mainly be a sub at Bayern.

Schweinsteiger played in about 70 matches (Bundesliga only, in total around 110 matches) for Bayern over the last three years. This should have given him enough playing time to learn and grow. That his development is at a standstill has more to do with his complacency than with a lack of playing time IMHO.

Ballhaeschen wrote:

De Guzman wrote:

Ballhaeschen wrote:It's a bit of a myth that Bayern don't give their youngsters enough playing time. Jansen, Ottl, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Lell all got/get plenty of time to play and chances to grow. Podolski was injured for most of the last season and has to compete with two of the most prolific goal scorers now. Why Schlaudraff never got a genuine chance under Hitzfeld is a mystery to me though?

And Otto is right in regard to Özil. It's a disgrace how some of our youngsters are treated whereas foreign prospects can do no wrong. Hertha BSC, their retarded general manager D. Hoeneß and former coach Götz are another prime example for the mistreatment of their own talents by the way.

Beg to differ. It would be better for say Schweinsteiger to play every match at a midtable Bundesliga club than to get some starts and mainly be a sub at Bayern.

Schweinsteiger played in about 70 matches (Bundesliga only, in total around 110 matches) for Bayern over the last three years. This should have given him enough playing time to learn and grow. That his development is at a standstill has more to do with his complacency than with a lack of playing time IMHO.

You never know. For some players it doesn't matter if they get only 30% of possible playing time. For a lot it does. They need to start every match to get the best out of them.

The Easter Bunny wrote:

26-Otto-19 wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:Luxemburg.......

""" when have you lot last seen Makalele, Vieira, Gattuso or Mascherano score THREE against ANYBODY
"""

Most of those are pure holding Defensive mids. This new vunderkid is probably in the mold of Pirlo if anything.

PS: When was the last time Borowski got a hattrick btw?

I reckon Makalele, Vieira, Gattuso or Mascherano could play in goal against Luxemburg U-21 and score 4.

Ah, what could we do with a player like Gomez...*dream*