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Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

Poll

Which player has made the biggest impact?

Ronaldinho at Barcelona: [ 39 ]; [83%]

Ronaldo at Man Utd: [ 8 ]; [17%]

Total Votes: 47

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Post n°1

Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Batman Tue May 27, 2008 3:07 pm

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Which player, Ronaldinho or Ronaldo, has made the biggest impact at their club during the last 5 seasons?

I don't know who to pick, if i do pick Ronaldo then is that because i am being bias?

This is why i want to know your views on this subject.

Just to clarify, I don't want to know who is/was the better player but instead the player that has made the biggest impact at their club.

Key things to consider:

How good were the teams when the players joined - Barca 6th in La Liga/Uefa Cup, Man Utd Prem Champions.
The age of the players when they signed for the club - Ronaldinho (23), Ronaldo (18.).
Players already at the club or breaking through into the first team - Puyol, Ferdinand, Xavi, Scholes, Iniesta, Giggs, Messi, etc...
Other key signings - Márquez, Davids, Eto'o, Deco, Giuly, Larsson, Rooney, VDS, Vidic, Evra, Park, Carrick, etc...
The managers
How the team does/would do without the player in their side for a long period of time.

Barcelona:
2003/04 -
2004/05 - La Liga
2005/06 - Supercopa de España, La Liga, Champions League
2006/07 - Supercopa de España
2007/08 -

Man Utd:
2003/04 - FA Cup
2004/05 -
2005/06 - League Cup
2006/07 - Premier League
2007/08 - FA Community Shield, Premier League, Champions League

Stats from Wikipedia:
Ronaldinho/Barca - 185 apps, 92 goals
Ronaldo/Man Utd - 238 apps, 92 goals

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Post n°2

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by L.r.d Tue May 27, 2008 3:15 pm

On this board Ronaldo has no chance.

But the reality is Dinho 1.5 years... of top quality performance each week

Ronaldo 2.5 years.... and still going

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Glenarch of the Glen Tue May 27, 2008 3:15 pm

stupid idea for a thread. Wait til Ronaldo has peaked and faded before trying to compare him.

These sorts of threads generally descend into a war of attrition between agendas anyway.

Ronaldinho pisses all over Ronaldo anyway.

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by The-Frank-Tavern Tue May 27, 2008 3:17 pm

Glenn Hysén wrote:stupid idea for a thread. Wait til Ronaldo has peaked and faded before trying to compare him.

These sorts of threads generally descend into a war of attrition between agendas anyway.

Ronaldinho pisses all over Ronaldo anyway.

lol!

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Post n°5

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Batman Tue May 27, 2008 3:20 pm

Glenn Hysén wrote:stupid idea for a thread. Wait til Ronaldo has peaked and faded before trying to compare him.

These sorts of threads generally descend into a war of attrition between agendas anyway.

Ronaldinho pisses all over Ronaldo anyway.

in terms of impact made at Barcelona compared to Ronaldo at Man Utd

because you think Ronaldinho was the better player,

or both?

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Glenarch of the Glen Tue May 27, 2008 3:21 pm

Batman wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:stupid idea for a thread. Wait til Ronaldo has peaked and faded before trying to compare him.

These sorts of threads generally descend into a war of attrition between agendas anyway.

Ronaldinho pisses all over Ronaldo anyway.

in terms of impact made at Barcelona compared to Ronaldo at Man Utd

because you think Ronaldinho was the better player,

or both?

he literally urinates all over him

it's disgusting

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Calidad Tue May 27, 2008 3:38 pm

lol!

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by L.r.d Tue May 27, 2008 3:42 pm

Easily amused.

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Post n°9

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by COTR Tue May 27, 2008 4:06 pm

What a terrible idea for a thread batmobile

What was going on in your head when you decided to post this ?

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Batman Tue May 27, 2008 4:37 pm

COTR wrote:What a terrible idea for a thread batmobile

What was going on in your head when you decided to post this ?

I was thinking back to when we came very close to signing Ronaldinho in the summer of 2003.

But because of some problems, Ronaldinho signs for Barcelona and we end up signing Ronaldo instead.

I felt gutted missing out on Ronaldinho back then but after 5 season Ronaldo has for Man Utd won the same things as Ronaldinho for Barcelona - 2 league titles and the Champions League.

But now i can't complain, Ronaldo's transfer value has probably gone from £12m to around £40, he is still only 23 and going to get better.

Because of the time period, Man Utd nearly signing Ronalinho, things won, i thought i would make a thread on who has made the bigger impact to their club.

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Post n°11

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Roger Hunt Tue May 27, 2008 4:41 pm

Dinho had much more immediate impact but has faded. Although you could argue that his dip in form has coincided with Barcelona's, so that would suggest he is very important to them.

But Barca have Messi and Man U are a one man team, so Ronaldo.

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Post n°12

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Kroos Tue May 27, 2008 5:54 pm

ronaldinho in his prime was the best player ive ever seen, better then zidane

hopefully he stays at barca and find to his old form

c.ronaldo will never be as good

without ronaldinho barca is only the half

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Post n°13

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Super Progress Tue May 27, 2008 6:28 pm

Ronaldo will prob never be able to do what Ronaldinho did in his first season for Barcelona. that was fucking incredible especially the second half of that season. he really dragged them from 11. place to 2nd.i cant remember ever seeing a player lift a team like that. also Ronaldo doesnt have any of Dinhos Genius. Ronaldo doesnt perform in big games like Ronaldinho did either. with that said we should wait because i dont think Ronaldo is good enough yet to start comparing him with great players like Ronaldinho. he still has time to learn and become better.

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by L.r.d Tue May 27, 2008 6:29 pm

Most clueless post ive ever read on here.

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by DS Tue May 27, 2008 6:31 pm

Shouldnt the not perform in big games theory put to bed by now.

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by COTR Tue May 27, 2008 6:33 pm

DS wrote:Shouldnt the not perform in big games theory put to bed by now.

scratch

Because in has played well in one half of all the big games he has played this season ?

Ronaldo is a long long way from disproving this theory just yet. Maybe the euros will help his case

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by DS Tue May 27, 2008 6:34 pm

What about previous Euros 2004 , world cup 2006 ?
Werent they big games , what about the CL final ?

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by COTR Tue May 27, 2008 6:34 pm

L.r.d wrote:Most clueless post ive ever read on here.

L.r.d wrote:He's right though

<Ale>

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Post n°19

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Machiavel Tue May 27, 2008 6:36 pm

I'm guessing Super Madrid don't want him to join Real like the clubs clueless president and coach lol!

lol!

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by L.r.d Tue May 27, 2008 6:37 pm

COTR wrote:

L.r.d wrote:Most clueless post ive ever read on here.

L.r.d wrote:He's right though

Bizarrely irrevelent so let me add to that.

L.r.d wrote:

Batman wrote:Tuesday, 08 April 2008
UEFA Champions League
Liverpool v Arsenal, (agg 1-1), Quarter Final, L2, 19:45

We will know at least one team that is going to finish the season trophyless. But who?

Both and Chelsea will finish trophyless as well!

COTR wrote:

Batman wrote:Tuesday, 08 April 2008
UEFA Champions League
Liverpool v Arsenal, (agg 1-1), Quarter Final, L2, 19:45

We will know at least one team that is going to finish the season trophyless. But who?

To follow on from lrd

Manchester United

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by COTR Tue May 27, 2008 6:40 pm

That's all very good lrd

BUT

L.r.d wrote:He's right though

Every single word of it cyclops

cyclops

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by L.r.d Tue May 27, 2008 6:43 pm

Complete rubbish from start to finish. There's critism..opinion...wummery and then there's clueless'ness.

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by COTR Tue May 27, 2008 6:44 pm

L.r.d wrote:Complete rubbish from start to finish. There's critism..opinion...wummery and then there's clueless'ness.

L.r.d wrote:He's right though

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by DS Tue May 27, 2008 6:45 pm

L.r.d wrote:Complete rubbish from start to finish. There's critism..opinion...wummery and then there's clueless'ness.

COTR isnt that bad.

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by L.r.d Tue May 27, 2008 6:46 pm

You have the cheek to laugh at Frank Laughing

Laughing

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by COTR Tue May 27, 2008 6:49 pm

L.r.d wrote:You have the cheek to laugh at Frank

YOU have the cheek you laugh at me cyclops

cyclops

I'll leave you with your own immortal words and make sure you remember them

L.r.d wrote:He's right though

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Post n°27

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Super Progress Tue May 27, 2008 6:59 pm

Markus wrote:I'm guessing Super Madrid don't want him to join Real like the clubs clueless president and coach

Not yet. He has to improve before we should go for him. im not saying he isnt a good player i just dont think he is all that. i have seen all the games in the big four for man utd except the one against Chelsea and i have yet to see Ronaldo make a big impression. and im not talking about goals because he is great at that. i dont really have any reason to be biased against him because i wanted him to come in 2006 when there was talks but i didnt really see him enough like i have now.

also LRD just because i dont agree with what you say it doesnt mean you have to call it the most clueless post ever. can you truly say that Ronaldo has done the things that Ronaldinho did in his first season?

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Batman Tue May 27, 2008 6:59 pm

COTR wrote:

DS wrote:Shouldnt the not perform in big games theory put to bed by now.

Because in has played well in one half of all the big games he has played this season ?

Ronaldo is a long long way from disproving this theory just yet. Maybe the euros will help his case

Every game when playing for Man Utd is a big game because the other teams always raise their game.

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Post n°29

Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by Super Progress Tue May 27, 2008 7:02 pm

Batman wrote:

COTR wrote:

DS wrote:Shouldnt the not perform in big games theory put to bed by now.

Because in has played well in one half of all the big games he has played this season ?

Ronaldo is a long long way from disproving this theory just yet. Maybe the euros will help his case

Every game when playing for Man Utd is a big game because the other teams always raise their game.

So you are saying that playing against Derby is a big game? also if we go by that Henry has truly shown that he is world class after his performances for Barca against Levante.

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Re: Ronaldinho vs C Ronaldo

by DS Tue May 27, 2008 7:03 pm

Nope playing the CL final and scoring is.

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