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    Post by fcb Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:14 pm

    Good article from La Liga Loca summarising the situation, in case anyone hasn't heard/known about it already.

    I don't care what the arguments in Barça's favour are, I am extremely unhappy that Madrid get to play every team one week after us, throughout the fucking season. It's blatantly an advantage for them.


    Fixture computer farce making a mess of La Liga

    They say that if you get 1000 monkeys to bash away at 1000 typewriters, they’d eventually come up with the Complete Works of Shakespeare.

    Now, obviously “they” say a lot of things – and most of it’s complete balls. But La Liga Loca’s prepared to believe them on this one.

    After all, if you got a single monkey bashing away at a single typewriter - a single, short-sighted, dyslexic monkey with writer’s cramp, a caffeine dependency and a 60-a-day habit bashing away at a broken typewriter where the “e” doesn’t work and the “s” keeps on bloody ssssticking – you’d certainly get the La Liga fixtures.

    Yes, boys and girls, they’ve done it again. The league that crams in Madrid-Barça late on a Thursday night; that can’t tell you when the games are going to be played until a week before and often can’t even tell you then; that spread the final day of the 2005/06 season over three different days, has done it again.

    Five games in and Sporting Gijón haven’t won a single game. In fact, they’ve not won a single point. And they’ve conceded a whopping 20 goals. Which might be because they’re rubbish.

    Or it might be because after waiting 10 long years to get back into the first division the poor sods have already had to play Sevilla, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Villarreal. Not so much an uphill start as trying to crank a Citroen 2CV into gear on the north face of the Eiger.

    With an elephant in the boot. No wonder they’re sitting at the bottom cursing their luck.

    They’re not alone either. Málaga are down there too, but they really are rubbish. So are Racing Santander and Real Betis, and they aren’t.

    Instead, Racing Santander have also had to play Sevilla, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Villarreal, while Betis have already faced Sevilla, Barcelona and Real Madrid – and still have Villarreal to come.

    If you’re detecting a bit of a pattern, it’s because there’s a bit of a pattern to detect.

    And that’s the point. You see, every single team this season has to play Sevilla, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Villarreal in a row. In that order. Twice.

    Which means that the league table is as hideously skewed as Peter Beardsley’s jaw and which really doesn’t strike La Liga Loca as
    particularly fair. It certainly doesn’t strike La Liga Loca as very good.

    Is it fair to sink a team before they’ve even started? Is it fair to give other teams a slow run into the season, a gentle ramp to get them flying? Or is it actually better to get the big boys before they’re up and running?

    Do Real Madrid have a great big advantage by always following in Barcelona’s footsteps? Are they playing shattered teams who’ve given their all the previous week, teams that can’t raise themselves again?

    Are they playing teams whose morale is sunk after a defeat and who, if they have beaten Madrid, have had their day in the sun and don’t need another, thank you very much?

    Are they playing teams riddled with suspensions after they’ve flown into every tackle against Barcelona the week before?

    Or is coming after Barcelona actually a disadvantage? Are Madrid going to play teams with extra motivation coming off the back of Barça?

    And if it’s an advantage for Madrid, is it an even bigger advantage for Villarreal, who get teams who’ve run themselves into the ground for three weeks running?

    Is it in fact a huge advantage for Mallorca, who week after week get the side that’s just come out of that four game run and are either a) knackered?, b) racked with suspensions after a month of vainly booting the big boys about? or c) completely lacking in intensity, suddenly ripe for the taking having relaxed after finally getting the big boys out the way?

    Might that explain the fact that Mallorca – a team that are not very good – currently sit so pretty?

    And it gets worse too. Because where the pattern can’t be entirely maintained – because Madrid can’t play Madrid (hell, they won’t even play against their own on-loan players so you haven’t got a hope in hell of getting them to play themselves) – it’s Valencia, those other title contenders, who’ve been slotted in.

    In other words, Sevilla-Barcelona, Barcelona-Valencia, Madrid-Sevilla, Barcelona-Madrid, Sevilla-Villarreal, Madrid-Valencia, Villarreal-
    Barcelona, Valencia-Atlético, and Madrid-Villarreal all happen within a six-week period.

    Two six-week periods, in fact - Weeks 13 to 18 and 32 to 37.

    What happens if Madrid’s, Barcelona’s, Valencia’s, Villarreal’s or Sevilla’s key player gets injured during that period? Is it adiós, aspirations? The league is supposed to be a test of which team is the strongest over 38 weeks.

    Instead, it could end up being a test of who’s strongest over two six-week spells. Is that fair?

    So many questions. And La Liga Loca doesn’t honestly know the answers.

    What it does know is that rather than having great games all season long, there are going to be at least 14 weeks this season when there isn’t a single game worth watching – and, yes, we were sad enough to go through them one by one.

    What it does know is that the clashes mean that seeing some of the season’s big games is going to be impossible, that when you’re trying to get to Barcelona-Valencia you’ll be missing Madrid-Sevilla, and when Madrid play Barcelona you’ll be missing Sevilla-Villarreal.

    What it does know is that it’s a mess. And a pain in the *rse.

    Especially for uber-blogs like La Liga Loca that like a heavyweight clash to report on every week. And not sodding Getafe-Sevilla.

    So, don’t blame us when we have to talk about that. Blame that monkey with the cigarette hanging out his gob and the typewriter between his legs.
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    Post by Axeslammer Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:18 pm

    kas wrote:that can’t tell you when the games are going to be played until a week before and often can’t even tell you then;

    I was wondering about that looking at the ESPN site, trying to work out in advance if I could maintain a 15-active-players streak.

    They really don't know *when* a match is played in advance (other than it's known on which match day) ?!

    That's madness, how are fans supposed to work it into their schedule ?!

    I'm completely baffled by this.

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    Post by TM Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:21 pm

    Isn't a bigger disadvantage to the likes of Sporting? Who has just been promoted and have had this run of fixtures condeming them to the bottom of the table. They're never going to recover from this, and even if they had a slim chance of surviving, its gone.

    Besides you make Barca have only been scrapping past the likes of Betis in recent weaks, you've hardly made our games easy.
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    Post by Luis Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:25 pm

    Seems a bit of a farce that indeed. Imagine West Brom having to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United in a row.
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    Post by TM Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:27 pm

    What makes it worse is that, the games are played in the same order in the second half of the season.
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    Post by elbecko Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:36 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    kas wrote:that can’t tell you when the games are going to be played until a week before and often can’t even tell you then;

    I was wondering about that looking at the ESPN site, trying to work out in advance if I could maintain a 15-active-players streak.

    They really don't know *when* a match is played in advance (other than it's known on which match day) ?!

    That's madness, how are fans supposed to work it into their schedule ?!

    I'm completely baffled by this.

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    But that's been like that for years, and nothing particular about this year. You have to be accommodating and plan for either way scenario (book your holiday, hotels and transport accordingly, provided that you have the match ticket! - which is pretty difficult/expensive if the tickets are more likely to go to touts than the supporters Whistle ).
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:41 pm

    the people that run la liga are complete idiots.

    Big advantage for real, because they will know exactly what they need to do this season to stay ahead of us.

    Bigger advantage Villarreal, i can really see that challenging for the title this season, if they can keep their squad more or less fit for the season.


    Its a anything you can do i can do better for scum and villlareal this season.
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    Post by elbecko Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:45 pm

    Luis wrote:Seems a bit of a farce that indeed. Imagine West Brom having to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United in a row.
    Then again, you have to face any club anyway, and being professional, it should not matter (they don't get extra tired against the big club so much so that they cannot recover for the following match, do they?). It could even work to one's advantage if they win one (or more) or after coming out of that line of fixtures (like weathering a storm).

    Only ones to moan is the one who wants to watch all "big" crashing games live, i.e. the likes of reporters, really... This day and age, we can always record or repeated program of big games if you want to watch them (not the same as watching them live but, if you don't know the result, it should not spoil your excitement).
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    Post by elbecko Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:47 pm

    Messiah wrote:the people that run la liga are complete idiots.

    Big advantage for real, because they will know exactly what they need to do this season to stay ahead of us.

    Bigger advantage Villarreal, i can really see that challenging for the title this season, if they can keep their squad more or less fit for the season.


    Its a anything you can do i can do better for scum and villlareal this season.
    So all teams play exactly the same way no matter where the venue is, which players are available, or who the opponents and how they play? Erm
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:58 pm

    Barca fans bitching about the competition being too hard on them. Crying or Very sad
    Please cut the Cr@p.if Barca are a good enough team they will get their wins simple as that.
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    Post by Axeslammer Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:04 pm

    Sorry folks, I'm currently a supporter of Los Merengues....but the Barcelona fans have a valid point.

    I don't know if this will really influence the championship race, but it does look fishy and it's 100% certain *not* to Barca's advantage.
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:14 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:Sorry folks, I'm currently a supporter of Los Merengues....but the Barcelona fans have a valid point.

    I don't know if this will really influence the championship race, but it does look fishy and it's 100% certain *not* to Barca's advantage.
    There is nothing fishy about it.i doutb anybody in spain thinks the games are made in random. a couple of years ago the top teams had two times in the season where they would have to be Sevilla,Deportivo(when they were good),Valencia. or something like that. the new thing is that now these games are followed by each other.so no conspiracy about the thing because i doubt the spanish football federation would deny that the program isnt done in random.
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    Post by Hem fet un mal partit Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:27 pm

    Super Madrid wrote:Barca fans bitching about the competition being too hard on them. Crying or Very sad
    Please cut the Cr@p.if Barca are a good enough team they will get their wins simple as that.

    Apart from the whole morale issue, reading the opponents games, knowing what needs to be done, then SUSPENSIONS are obviously a very valid point. The smaller teams tend to accumulate them in games where they are sitting back trying to break the rhythm of the game.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:46 pm

    Good god, everybody plays everybody twice. Win your games and it doesn't matter what anybody else does or in what order they do it.

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    Post by DS Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:08 pm

    elbecko wrote:
    Luis wrote:Seems a bit of a farce that indeed. Imagine West Brom having to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United in a row.
    Then again, you have to face any club anyway, and being professional, it should not matter (they don't get extra tired against the big club so much so that they cannot recover for the following match, do they?). It could even work to one's advantage if they win one (or more) or after coming out of that line of fixtures (like weathering a storm).

    Only ones to moan is the one who wants to watch all "big" crashing games live, i.e. the likes of reporters, really... This day and age, we can always record or repeated program of big games if you want to watch them (not the same as watching them live but, if you don't know the result, it should not spoil your excitement).
    Yes they do big clubs keep the ball more then 60% possession stats are seen in these fixtures and the opposition gets more tired chasing the players down trying to negate the space ,its a whole day of running and nothing else mental tiredness is another thing.
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    Post by elbecko Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:30 pm

    DS wrote:
    elbecko wrote:
    Luis wrote:Seems a bit of a farce that indeed. Imagine West Brom having to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United in a row.
    Then again, you have to face any club anyway, and being professional, it should not matter (they don't get extra tired against the big club so much so that they cannot recover for the following match, do they?). It could even work to one's advantage if they win one (or more) or after coming out of that line of fixtures (like weathering a storm).

    Only ones to moan is the one who wants to watch all "big" crashing games live, i.e. the likes of reporters, really... This day and age, we can always record or repeated program of big games if you want to watch them (not the same as watching them live but, if you don't know the result, it should not spoil your excitement).
    Yes they do big clubs keep the ball more then 60% possession stats are seen in these fixtures and the opposition gets more tired chasing the players down trying to negate the space ,its a whole day of running and nothing else mental tiredness is another thing.
    They are professional footballers for god's sake... Doh

    If one week (or the worst case three days) between is not long enough to recover, they should pack up and sell cakes at market.
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    Post by elbecko Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:31 pm

    Jaime wrote:Good god, everybody plays everybody twice. Win your games and it doesn't matter what anybody else does or in what order they do it.

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    Post by Super Progress Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:37 am

    DS wrote:
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    Luis wrote:Seems a bit of a farce that indeed. Imagine West Brom having to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United in a row.
    Then again, you have to face any club anyway, and being professional, it should not matter (they don't get extra tired against the big club so much so that they cannot recover for the following match, do they?). It could even work to one's advantage if they win one (or more) or after coming out of that line of fixtures (like weathering a storm).

    Only ones to moan is the one who wants to watch all "big" crashing games live, i.e. the likes of reporters, really... This day and age, we can always record or repeated program of big games if you want to watch them (not the same as watching them live but, if you don't know the result, it should not spoil your excitement).
    Yes they do big clubs keep the ball more then 60% possession stats are seen in these fixtures and the opposition gets more tired chasing the players down trying to negate the space ,its a whole day of running and nothing else mental tiredness is another thing.
    Im sorry but a week is enough to recover from being tired even when you dont have the ball all that much. especially if you are a smaller team like sporting who only play in la liga and few copa games.and it works both ways whether or not people want to admit it. when the team goes against Barcelona at home turf they could very well get points so when they come to Bernabeu in the next it is a different game and the other way around counts aswell.
    If barca has to rely on small stuff like this they shouldnt even bother.
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    Post by Effenberg Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:17 am

    Does anybody else have this curious feeling that the Madridistas would be bitching and moaning if it were the other way around?
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:46 am

    Effenberg wrote:Does anybody else have this curious feeling that the Madridistas would be bitching and moaning if it were the other way around?

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    Post by elbecko Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:10 am

    Effenberg wrote:Does anybody else have this curious feeling that the Madridistas would be bitching and moaning if it were the other way around?
    We don't keep bitching and moaning about the CL draw and the effect of its fixtures. <Ale>
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    Post by DS Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:12 am

    Super Madrid wrote:
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    elbecko wrote:
    Luis wrote:Seems a bit of a farce that indeed. Imagine West Brom having to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United in a row.
    Then again, you have to face any club anyway, and being professional, it should not matter (they don't get extra tired against the big club so much so that they cannot recover for the following match, do they?). It could even work to one's advantage if they win one (or more) or after coming out of that line of fixtures (like weathering a storm).

    Only ones to moan is the one who wants to watch all "big" crashing games live, i.e. the likes of reporters, really... This day and age, we can always record or repeated program of big games if you want to watch them (not the same as watching them live but, if you don't know the result, it should not spoil your excitement).
    Yes they do big clubs keep the ball more then 60% possession stats are seen in these fixtures and the opposition gets more tired chasing the players down trying to negate the space ,its a whole day of running and nothing else mental tiredness is another thing.
    Im sorry but a week is enough to recover from being tired even when you dont have the ball all that much. especially if you are a smaller team like sporting who only play in la liga and few copa games.and it works both ways whether or not people want to admit it. when the team goes against Barcelona at home turf they could very well get points so when they come to Bernabeu in the next it is a different game and the other way around counts aswell.
    If barca has to rely on small stuff like this they shouldnt even bother.
    I effects whether you like it or not , it effects ,tired bodies and tired minds , this shouldnt be a excuse but every little thing counts in a title race , 2ndly these little teams have small squads as compared to you or us ,3rdly there 2nd string isnt good enough they dont have a Higuain,Gago etc in their 2nd string and are relied on their first teams specially on 2 3 players what if they get suspensions and injuries.


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    Post by elbecko Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:13 am

    Messiah wrote:
    Effenberg wrote:Does anybody else have this curious feeling that the Madridistas would be bitching and moaning if it were the other way around?

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    Post by Jaime Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:58 pm

    Effenberg wrote:Does anybody else have this curious feeling that the Madridistas would be bitching and moaning if it were the other way around?

    No, I would not.
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    Post by EMP Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:48 pm

    The solution is simple. In the interests of fairness, Madrid must hire Koeman as their coach for those matches. Glad to be of assistance. Wink
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    Post by TM Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:54 pm

    On one condition, he brings David Villa with him Biggrin
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    Post by EMP Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:56 pm

    TM wrote:On one condition, he brings David Villa with him Biggrin

    No problem, but Villa will then return to Valencia immediately leaving Koeman with you.
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    Post by TM Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:57 pm

    Nah he has to sign a life time contract at Real Biggrin
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    Post by EMP Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:06 pm

    Can Sociedad afford him? Anyway too late you accepted Koeman if Villa came to Madrid; you didn't say he couldn't leave immediately. Koeman is yours and Villa is ours.
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    Post by EMP Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:09 pm

    TM wrote:
    On one condition, he brings David Villa with him
    Biggrin

    You blew your one condition there TM, so Koeman is yours without getting Villa.

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