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Academies

by EMP Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:43 am

What should the definition of a football academy be? What should they provide to the youngsters and what obligations should there be to the club running the academy?

Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with with race, or oppression. Karel Brokken thinks that academies must provide far more than coaching. They must provide education and take care of the needs of the children. Basically the children stay at the academies, are educated, clothed and fed by the academies. It is far more than providing coaching say three times a week for a couple of hours a week, which is what a few clubs including Barcelona do in Egypt. How do they run their academy in Spain? Do they charge the children there?

FC Midtjylland has an academy in Denmark. It does provide much of the above, but is controversial because it ignores the regulation that you cannot take children out of their continent before they turn 18, but they do not charge graduates.

Obviously clubs running academies want to produce players and if they do, they should be rewarded for that as they have invested in them and developed them. In Gomoa Fetteh - mentioned only because I know the structure - they offer contracts from about 16 or 17 to ward off unwanted interest from others.

How long should the club benefit? I'd say at least five years if the set up is like Gomoa Fetteh that takes them from the age of 13. Wages should vary. There should be minimum contract to start, but which can be increased due to performances. What should happen if either the club wants to sell early, or the player wants to leave? I think if agreed by mutual consent that is fine and then player is free to negotiate contract with the next club, but players who have been given everything - a chance many would kill for - should owe something to the club that gave them that chance.

Also arrangements with feeder clubs and football schools, especially ones that charge youngsters for their dreams - Barcelona is not alone in doing this - are not academies in my opinion. Thoughts.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:16 pm

From the lack of response to this, I guess people want 6+5, but have no interest in how young players are developed and on what basis. This is an important way of developing young talent both home and abroad, but several so-called academies are little more than football schools or clinics and in some case exploit dreams.

Barcelona is not alone in doing that in Egypt; al-Ahly does it as well. I'm sure others do it too. Then there is age. The foreign-based 'academies' take them late around 16 in order to get quick results. Spurs has one in South Africa. What do you expect from it? When do you expect it to deliver? Would South Africa have been the country of choice for an academy? Is it one?

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Re: Academies

by Guest Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:32 pm

once a player is deem good enough to come to la masia he is not charge.

But we do charge a nominal fee the families of players in Egypt and i think argentina, to help cover the cost,as it is very expensive to run an academy as we all know especially one a foreign country, so charging them is the only way of covering some of the expenses as they can't sign professional contracts and may f@ck off to another club after we have invested all of our time and effort in them.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:57 pm

Messiah wrote:once a player is deem good enough to come to la masia he is not charge.

But we do charge a nominal fee the families of players in Egypt and i think argentina, to help cover the cost,as it is very expensive to run an academy as we all know especially one a foreign country, so charging them is the only way of covering some of the expenses as they can't sign professional contracts and may f@ck off to another club after we have invested all of our time and effort in them.

This is what your so-called academy does in Egypt. Compare that to the other ones there:

"FCB Escola Egypt is the first Barcelona football school in the Middle East and the third in the world. It has two branches in Egypt. The first was launched on 1 September 2006 at Al-Rabwa Club at the Sixth of October city before moving to Palm Hills Club. The second branch was launched on 1 March 2007 at Mirage City in Qatameya. Both are owned and managed by the Stryx sports marketing company. Currently, the two branches comprise more than 500 players.

The academy accepts both genders from the age of five till 14 in addition to a baby class for four-year-olds who are taught the ABCs of football.

There are no conditions for applying. The first two weeks is a probationary period where in every age, the players are divided into three levels: low, medium and high. Each team comprises 12 players making it a total of 72 players per training session.

After two weeks, the head coach and an assistant decide whether the student stays or moves on to the next level. Students pay either an annual fee of LE950 or a monthly fee of LE550. Each player receives an hour and a half three times weekly training sessions and is evaluated every three months. Barcelona's scouting team visits the academy twice a year."

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/876/sport.htm

There is more regarding training coaches, but how the hell is this an academy? Is it anywhere near what is done at La Masia? You invest an hour and a half three times a week in coaching them. Then you leave them to work by themselves until they are assessed again. What investment of your time and effort is that? There is no way in hell that compares with the investment of time and effort that Feijenoord have given, or Midtjylland for that matter. Al-Ahly does it as well, but stop calling that an academy; it plainly isn't. It is a football school at best. La Masia may well be a proper academy. What do they offer there? Furthermore you don't charge at La Masia, but where were Cesc Fabregas and Merida developed? You lost them from Spain, so I don't see how your point that Egyptians f@ck off after you have 'invested in them and developed them' justifies charging them when you don't charge Spaniards, especially knowing that some of them have actually fucked off from the academy in Spain.

Academies in foreign countries don't cost that much to run comparatively, but the point is not just about ones abroad; it is about ones in host countries too. Barcelona can easily afford to have paid for what it is doing in Egypt. An academy would cost far more to run than this school. A properly run academy can easily protect the club's interest too. All it requires is giving them contracts before they turn 18. There is a regulation that Midtjylland regularly fall foul of that prevents players leaving their continent before they turn 18.

But what is an academy and what should it provide? During my recent trip I spoke to a few academy products who had made it such as Diego Biseswar. He had been in Feijenoord's academy in Rotterdam for a few years. He wasn't poached because he has a contract. Others came through academies in the Netherlands too. How come those clubs have not lost their assests? If you charge them to attend a football school, what loyalty do you have a right to expect? Barcelona's venture in Egypt is not an academy. Midtjylland too run an academy that offers education and more to their boys from Denmark and elsewhere. They haven't been poached. Those are genuine academies.

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Re: Academies

by Hem fet un.. Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:34 pm

I agree that the academy in Egypt isn't really an academy but rather a marketing stunt. The only true academy we have is the Masia.. and that is very very exclusive. There is only room for about 25 players who don't live with their parents so I think it is safe to say that this is the true meaning of an academy rather than a "football school" where only the most talented youngsters are invited to join and are given an elite footballing education.

I have no idea how the Buenos Aires academy is run. I think it is run by an affiliate club but not too sure.

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Re: Academies

by Guest Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:41 pm

The players sign contracts with Feijenoord, so if they are sold Feijenoord will make money am i right?, and if they are good enough the are tied down by their contract and can't leave.

hence they do not need to charge them.

well the players don't sign contract with us and as such have to pay a fee to us for our help in developing their skills, if we then deem them to be good enough they will come to la masia where their every need will be met.

I agree its not an academy in the true sense of the word, but its the best we can do.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:27 pm

Messiah wrote:The players sign contracts with Feijenoord, so if they are sold Feijenoord will make money am i right?, and if they are good enough the are tied down by their contract and can't leave.

hence they do not need to charge them.

well the players don't sign contract with us and as such have to pay a fee to us for our help in developing their skills, if we then deem them to be good enough they will come to la masia where their every need will be met.

I agree its not an academy in the true sense of the word, but its the best we can do.

The Egypt school is not an academy full stop. Feijenoord offersits boys contracs at 16 or 17 in Gomoa Fetteh. I assume it is similar in Rotterdam. In the Netherlands and Ghana they join around 12 or 13. They haven't been poached because of the structures and what they get. Plainly they are doing something right, as many go on to bigger clubs later.

Feijenoord does not charge them in Ghana. It is a true academy. Stop pretending that you have to charge them in Egypt. You don't. It is about different things. As Hem fet Un says, your school is a marketing stunt and it is exploiting dreams. You could easily afford a proper academy. You can afford to overpay for Henry and Hleb by most accounts. Think how many academies you could fund with that. A targeted academy or two in hotbeds of talent. Imagine what that could achieve. There is no way that school in Egypt is the best that you can do. You can run an academy in Egypt and protect them until they are old enough to sign contracts. Feijenoord have not lost their players - any of them - before or after they are old enough to sign contracts. It can be sorted out pretty easily by applying a little intelligence in terms of the terms of entry to the academy.

You can't be serious in thinking that school in Egypt is the best that you can do. It plainly isn't. Masia is.

@ Hem Fet Un: agree completely.

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Re: Academies

by Guest Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:44 pm

why would we spend millions to build a free academy in Africa, what they will produce 2/3 players thats good enough for barca every 5/6 years, we do enough humanitarian work in africa already in fact more than any other club in Europe. so don't tell me about exploiting dreams.

we are giving players why way of our partnership with Stryx sports a chance put their talent of show for us, if they have the money and want to pay thats up to them, the club isn't forcing anyone to come.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:16 pm

Messiah wrote:why would we spend millions to build a free academy in Africa, what they will produce 2/3 players thats good enough for barca every 5/6 years, we do enough humanitarian work in africa already in fact more than any other club in Europe. so [b]don't tell me about exploiting dreams. [/b]

we are giving players why way of our partnership with Stryx sports a chance put their talent of show for us, if they have the money and want to pay thats up to them, the club isn't forcing anyone to come.

Rolling Eyes

Because it doesn't cost millions to build. Because it is far cheaper to run than you think. Because Masia is far more expensive to run and in time it will deliver far more value for money. Because it makes economic sense and gets you an in to the next wave of talent in that country with loyalty. Your Cr@p in Egypt doesn't and it does exploit their dreams, whatever you do in Africa.

But this is not about Africa or Egypt; it is about football academies as the way to develop talent of the future wherever they are. There are other reasons too, but it would take too long to go through. It doesn't have to be Africa; you could do it in Argentina or anywhere you think it will work best. Feijenoord's has produced three internationals, but they have missed out on talent too.

It isn't about humanitarism alone; it is about a sound proposal and professionally run academy that delivers players and does some good at the same time. It has to deliver talent and in time it will more than pay for itself. They have made some mistakes at Gomoa Fetteh that can be learned from. It will deliver and plenty just as it has in Rotterdam and other Dutch academies have and Midtjylland's does.

Feijenoord fucked up. They saw Michael Essien and Kolo Toure, but got it wrong. One Essien more than pays for an academy like this.

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Re: Academies

by Hlebagone Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:19 pm

I love how messiah won't accept any wrongdoing even in regard to Barca's academy.

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Re: Academies

by Guest Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:04 pm

what wrong doing?

we say pay a fee and train with us.

the others say sign a contract and play with us.

they both make money at the end of the day,

what does EMP expect the club to do host 100 young players feed, clothe,provide shelter and educate for them at no cost to them, in hopes that we find the next essien, we already do that its called la masia.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:41 pm

Messiah wrote:what wrong doing?

we say pay a fee and train with us.

the others say sign a contract and play with us.

they both make money at the end of the day,

what does EMP expect the club to do host 100 young players feed, clothe,provide shelter and educate for them at no cost to them, in hopes that we find the next essien, we already do that its called la masia.

Feijenoord does it and so does Midtjylland and it will work. The point which you ignore is that an academy abroad is far cheaper than one in Europe and another Masia would be in your long term interests. There is far more to it than you think. Academies in these countries can be of great benefit. Chelsea paid 24m for Essien. A little foresight and they could have had a 1in 50 chance of finding an Essien every years for twenty years while looking like they are great humanitarians as well. You could easily afford to do it and it would be economically viable. Think of it as Masia abroad, but cheaper in every respect. Two of them doubles the chances of striking gold. It isn't difficult to grasp the concept, or shouldn't be.

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Re: Academies

by Guest Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:15 am

I agree that a la masia proper would be a good investment for the club, but we don't need one as eto'o is already giving us the cream of the crop from his academy.

These are just a few.

Gael Etock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHs91Z0Di8&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=992&Itemid=99999999

Ebwelle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isuB3cuMsMM&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=680&Itemid=190

Enguene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz2b6lNmNO4&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=606&Itemid=99999999

Olivier Moussima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4tL_4Dyyy4&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=99999999

Ella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBwV4_A7Lo&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=217&Itemid=99999999

I'm sure their is a new eto'o in there.

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Re: Academies

by fcb Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:12 am

The football school started by Barça in Egypt is clearly not an academy. It's just a way of getting little rich kids to get football training a couple of times a week, kind of like people getting tutors for help with schoolwork. The likelihood of any of these kids actually getting sent to La Masia, or getting a contract with the football club, is minimal. Like Hem Fet said, it's just a marketing thing, following in the footsteps of Man. Utd. (who have their "Soccer Schools" in the Middle East) and Chelsea. It even says that it's "owned and managed by the Stryx sports marketing company"

The Argentina one is slightly different...I think there we have a partnership with a smaller local club, so it's just things like the coaching staff/expertise being provided by Barcelona, and in return we get a first look at any promising kids. I don't know for sure about this though, so I could be wrong and it may just be like the Egypt one.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:21 am

Messiah wrote:I agree that a la masia proper would be a good investment for the club, but we don't need one as eto'o is already giving us the cream of the crop from his academy.

These are just a few.

Gael Etock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHs91Z0Di8&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=992&Itemid=99999999

Ebwelle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isuB3cuMsMM&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=680&Itemid=190

Enguene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz2b6lNmNO4&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=606&Itemid=99999999

Olivier Moussima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4tL_4Dyyy4&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=99999999

Ella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBwV4_A7Lo&eurl=http://www.airfutbol.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=217&Itemid=99999999

I'm sure their is a new eto'o in there.

And if and when Eto'o leaves Barca or realises that he can demand a commercial deal for products of his academy what then? Are you really this short-sighted? If the academy is yours it doesn't matter if Eto'o leaves and while he is there you can use his scouting abilities. Are the boys you mentioned at La Masia or Eto'o's academy and where is his academy?

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Re: Academies

by EMP Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:43 am

kas wrote:The football school started by Barça in Egypt is clearly not an academy. It's just a way of getting little rich kids to get football training a couple of times a week, kind of like people getting tutors for help with schoolwork. The likelihood of any of these kids actually getting sent to La Masia, or getting a contract with the football club, is minimal. Like Hem Fet said, it's just a marketing thing, following in the footsteps of Man. Utd. (who have their "Soccer Schools" in the Middle East) and Chelsea. It even says that it's "owned and managed by the Stryx sports marketing company"

Agreed, but let's be clear, this thread is not for attacking Barcelona CF. Other clubs pull this Cr@p too, but it is absolutely plain that Barcelona is not investing anything in Egypt and that this is a cynical and exploitative exercise in circumstances where proper academies can be run. If you can do this you can run an acdemy and I say it is in your interests too, although I would look at Argentina first.

The Argentina one is slightly different...I think there we have a partnership with a smaller local club, so it's just things like the coaching staff/expertise being provided by Barcelona, and in return we get a first look at any promising kids. I don't know for sure about this though, so I could be wrong and it may just be like the Egypt one.

Again that is not an academy; it is an arrangement with a feeder club. My guess is that it is like the Midtjylland arrangement, where they take players from their feeder club in Nigeria and put them in the Danish academy, which is in flagrant breach of the regulations, so if you are doing that watch out as Midtjylland got into trouble over it. You can't take players from their continent before 18. This is partly why overseas academies are important.

However, we are getting side-tracked. The point of this thread is not just about foreign academies, it is about what is expected from them and what clubs who unearth the next Cesc, Beckham, Ronaldinho, etc. should get in return. Clubs should not be expected to develop talent without protection of assets and substantial compensation if assets are nicked.

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Re: Academies

by fcb Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:05 am

I think it's difficult to lay down specific rules about football academies. The first major hurdle is differing international laws - for example, in England they can offer professional contracts to 16 year olds, but in Spain a club can't do that till the player is 18.

And then there's the fluid nature of the "product" being produced by these academies - it's impossible to define when a player is the "finished product", which I would assume is a necessary basis for evaluating compensation. Age obviously doesn't work because of the rate/way in which individual players develop.

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Re: Academies

by Guest Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:27 pm

Kas beat me to my next point

which is that its a school and not a academy and where I'm from parents have to pay if the want their kids to get the best education,so the people in Egypt have to pay for their kids to be trained by the best.

I should have read the article.

The boys are at la masia and are from cameroon where eto'o has an academy.

To your point i think clubs should be compensated for developing talents if they are nicked by another club , how they will work out this compensation is up to them.

i also like this rule where players can't sign for another club until they reach 18, are am i making this up?

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Re: Academies

by fcb Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:41 pm

But then how do you define a "club"? There are many small local amateur sports clubs in cities around Europe, where players will join and train till the age of 9, 10, 11, whatever...until they are spotted by someone from a professional football club. If a blanket ban is applied, maybe some talented kids will never get the chance to develop with the better coaching and facilities of professional clubs. The solution may be to put a ban on transferring players under 18 between professional clubs' academies...but then they'll surely find a way around it by setting up umbrella academies or forming partnerships with others.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:31 pm

kas wrote:But then how do you define a "club"? There are many small local amateur sports clubs in cities around Europe, where players will join and train till the age of 9, 10, 11, whatever...until they are spotted by someone from a professional football club. If a blanket ban is applied, maybe some talented kids will never get the chance to develop with the better coaching and facilities of professional clubs. The solution may be to put a ban on transferring players under 18 between professional clubs' academies...but then they'll surely find a way around it by setting up umbrella academies or forming partnerships with others.

Why can't the smaller ones be protected by compensating them based on time and effort put in?

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Re: Academies

by fcb Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:44 pm

That's a good idea Ale

Ale

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Re: Academies

by EMP Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:37 pm

Messiah wrote:Kas beat me to my next point

which is that its a school and not a academy and where I'm from parents have to pay if the want their kids to get the best education,so the people in Egypt have to pay for their kids to be trained by the best.

I should have read the article.

The Feijenoord Academy in Gomoa Fetteh, gives them best coaching, an education, housing, clothing, food, etc and those boys do not have to pay a penny. I got free schooloing and many others did too. Do you really think that Barcelona's involvement is so innocent. They know virtually none of these kids will make it and they charge them all in the hope of finding one or two who will. Barcelona can afford to run a proper academy in Egypt. They choose not to. That school is plainly exploitative. Any benefit goes the way of the club. It must not be called an academy, which I note you no longer do. These kids do not get trained by the best; they have to do a lot of work by themselves. They are seen every three months I believe it said. You are not alone in doing this, but please stop seeing it as anything other than an attempt to use kids to part with their parents' money by selling a dream that we all know almost certainly won't happen.

The boys are at la masia and are from cameroon where eto'o has an academy.

Then you have them at least for now. And how old are they now? How old were they when they came?

To your point i think clubs should be compensated for developing talents if they are nicked by another club , how they will work out this compensation is up to them.

i also like this rule where players can't sign for another club until they reach 18, are am i making this up?

I think you have that wrong. The rule is that you can't take players out of their continent, possibly country until they are 18. I think it is FIFA's Article 13. Midtjylland break it for fun. Feijenoord offer contracts in Gomoa from 16 or 17, I guess it will be the same in Rotterdam. I don't see why you can't have a contract with the parents on the child's behalf until they turn 18, so you have them until at least that season with options. Then they can sign another contract. Personally I think that if a player wants to leave at 18 he can sign a contract wherever he likes, but the club receiving him has to pay the going rate and in case of dispute it will be resolved by arbitration panel or something like that.

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Re: Academies

by Guest Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:42 pm

EMP wrote:

Messiah wrote:Kas beat me to my next point

which is that its a school and not a academy and where I'm from parents have to pay if the want their kids to get the best education,so the people in Egypt have to pay for their kids to be trained by the best.

I should have read the article.

The Feijenoord Academy in Gomoa Fetteh, gives them best coaching, an education, housing, clothing, food, etc and those boys do not have to pay a penny. I got free schooloing and many others did too. Do you really think that Barcelona's involvement is so innocent. They know virtually none of these kids will make it and they charge them all in the hope of finding one or two who will. Barcelona can afford to run a proper academy in Egypt. They choose not to. That school is plainly exploitative. Any benefit goes the way of the club. It must not be called an academy, which I note you no longer do. These kids do not get trained by the best; they have to do a lot of work by themselves. They are seen every three months I believe it said. You are not alone in doing this, but please stop seeing it as anything other than an attempt to use kids to part with their parents' money by selling a dream that we all know almost certainly won't happen.

The boys are at la masia and are from cameroon where eto'o has an academy.

Then you have them at least for now. And how old are they now? How old were they when they came?

To your point i think clubs should be compensated for developing talents if they are nicked by another club , how they will work out this compensation is up to them.

i also like this rule where players can't sign for another club until they reach 18, are am i making this up?

I think you have that wrong. The rule is that you can't take players out of their continent, possibly country until they are 18. I think it is FIFA's Article 13. Midtjylland break it for fun. Feijenoord offer contracts in Gomoa from 16 or 17, I guess it will be the same in Rotterdam. I don't see why you can't have a contract with the parents on the child's behalf until they turn 18, so you have them until at least that season with options. Then they can sign another contract. Personally I think that if a player wants to leave at 18 he can sign a contract wherever he likes, but the club receiving him has to pay the going rate and in case of dispute it will be resolved by arbitration panel or something like that.

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Re: Academies

by EMP Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:19 pm

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/ps_769_en_68.pdf

It explains the rules regarding the transfer of minors, especially between continents. Makes no sense at all if it does not involve academies and club structures.

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