Madrid Derby: Real Madrid v Atlético

This thread would be a lot more fun if The-Frank-Tavern were around but anyhow big game in Spain next weekend is the Madrid derby! The burning questions:

Will Pablo play worse than he did against Barcelona? Is that even possible?

How many goals will Raul score?

How many goals will Real Madrid win by?

Will Atletico ever win this derby again?

Let the banter begin!

1. Yes. Against Madrid, Atletico players will find new levels of awfulness to play at.

2. 4

3. 4

4. No

Why can't atletico raise their game in the derby, the why espanyol do?.

7-1 to madrid

Why stop making $ with Madrid now? They get to play the team that just played Barcelona. They get a physically and mentally tired team, but the scheduled was like that all season. Kudos to Juande for his good work as well. Another 3 pts for Madrid and SI, SI HAY LIGA!

Messiah wrote:Why can't atletico raise their game in the derby, the why espanyol do?.

7-1 to madrid

I need to start a "Espanyol and Atletico Appreciation" Thread. For beating you and then bending over for us!

Betis too.

But seriously we do have some problems in a defence for this match. Pepe is suspended...so that means either Metzelder or Heinze is going to have to partner Cannavaro.

When was the last time AM beat Madrid comprehensively ?

In 1999/2000 they beat us 0-3 in the Bernabeu. I think that was the last time. Goalkeeper got sent off and a very young Iker Casillas came on. Was one of his first appearances for us. And Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink scored a couple I think.

Atleti have won twice in the last 10 years:

1997-1998 Real Madrid 1 Atlético Madrid 1 Atlético Madrid 1 Real Madrid 1
1998-1999 Real Madrid 4 Atlético Madrid 2 Atlético Madrid 3 Real Madrid 1
1999-2000 Real Madrid 1 Atlético Madrid 3 Atlético Madrid 1 Real Madrid 1
2002-2003 Real Madrid 2 Atlético Madrid 2 Atlético Madrid 0 Real Madrid 4
2003-2004 Real Madrid 2 Atlético Madrid 0 Atlético Madrid 1 Real Madrid 2
2004-2005 Real Madrid 0 Atlético Madrid 0 Atlético Madrid 0 Real Madrid 3
2005-2006 Real Madrid 2 Atlético Madrid 1 Atlético Madrid 0 Real Madrid 3
2006-2007 Real Madrid 1 Atlético Madrid 1 Atlético Madrid 1 Real Madrid 1
2007-2008 Real Madrid 2 Atlético Madrid 1 Atlético Madrid 0 Real Madrid 2
2008-2009 Real Madrid Atlético Madrid Atlético Madrid 1 Real Madrid 2

Ah, 1-3 I didn't remember we scored in that one.

Jaime wrote:Ah, 1-3 I didn't remember we scored in that one.

Atletico probably tried to let you come back to 3-3 so the tradition could continue, but your players didn't get the hint I guess.

kas wrote:

Jaime wrote:Ah, 1-3 I didn't remember we scored in that one.

Atletico probably tried to let you come back to 3-3 so the tradition could continue, but your players didn't get the hint I guess.

Don't be so harsh. The tradition only started AFTER that game, so we can't blame the poor Patetico players for not realizing they had to bend over and take in the ass at a time when the norm wasn't official.

Atletico will accidently drop the soap during the whole game, as RM will be quite busy I'm guessing 1-0 maybe 2-0, all goals by Casillas who get enough butt hole at home.

So apparently these are the three options Juande is considering in the absence of Pepe for the weekend:

1) S. Ramos----Cannavaro----Metzelder----Heinze

2) Salgado-----Cannavaro----S. Ramos-----Heinze

3) Lass D.-----Cannavaro-----S. Ramos-----Heinze

Unfortunately none of them involve dropping Heinze and one of them involves playing Salgado.

Anyone have a preference?

2

Ramos is such a idiot this would be much better


---Salgado----Cana--Heinze--marcelo.

Jaime wrote:So apparently these are the three options Juande is considering in the absence of Pepe for the weekend:

1) S. Ramos----Cannavaro----Metzelder----Heinze

2) Salgado-----Cannavaro----S. Ramos-----Heinze

3) Lass D.-----Cannavaro-----S. Ramos-----Heinze

Unfortunately none of them involve dropping Heinze and one of them involves playing Salgado.

Anyone have a preference?

The worst part for me is that none of them involve Miguel Torres. That Juande would consider a back 4 with both Heinze and Salgado without even throwing Torres into the mix at any stage is quite disappointing for me. I've been quite disappointed in Torres since his first season, but compared to how Salgado and Heinze have performed he has been solid.

I would go for the first option. I obviously don't want Salgado at any cost and I also don't want Diarra to get out of the midfield. He's been among our best players in every game since he got here. Of course, having such a slow partnership in Canna/Metz is also worrying, but I trust in Diarra's abilities to protect the back 4. It would also be good to see if Metz's performance against Barcelona was just a coincidence or if he's really able to produce that kind of level when he's called upon. If he is, then there is no reason to buy another CB next year if Cannavaro stays and Garay joins.

Torrente wrote:

Jaime wrote:So apparently these are the three options Juande is considering in the absence of Pepe for the weekend:

1) S. Ramos----Cannavaro----Metzelder----Heinze

2) Salgado-----Cannavaro----S. Ramos-----Heinze

3) Lass D.-----Cannavaro-----S. Ramos-----Heinze

Unfortunately none of them involve dropping Heinze and one of them involves playing Salgado.

Anyone have a preference?

The worst part for me is that none of them involve Miguel Torres. That Juande would consider a back 4 with both Heinze and Salgado without even throwing Torres into the mix at any stage is quite disappointing for me. I've been quite disappointed in Torres since his first season, but compared to how Salgado and Heinze have performed he has been solid.

I would go for the first option. I obviously don't want Salgado at any cost and I also don't want Diarra to get out of the midfield. He's been among our best players in every game since he got here. Of course, having such a slow partnership in Canna/Metz is also worrying, but I trust in Diarra's abilities to protect the back 4. It would also be good to see if Metz's performance against Barcelona was just a coincidence or if he's really able to produce that kind of level when he's called upon. If he is, then there is no reason to buy another CB next year if Cannavaro stays and Garay joins.

This is what im waiting to see aswell. Hopefully Metzelder turns out so we have somebody good to be back up Cb and if he performs consistently then who knows.

Torrente wrote: The worst part for me is that none of them involve Miguel Torres. That Juande would consider a back 4 with both Heinze and Salgado without even throwing Torres into the mix at any stage is quite disappointing for me. I've been quite disappointed in Torres since his first season, but compared to how Salgado and Heinze have performed he has been solid.

Agree with all of this.

I would go for the first option. I obviously don't want Salgado at any cost and I also don't want Diarra to get out of the midfield. He's been among our best players in every game since he got here. Of course, having such a slow partnership in Canna/Metz is also worrying, but I trust in Diarra's abilities to protect the back 4. It would also be good to see if Metz's performance against Barcelona was just a coincidence or if he's really able to produce that kind of level when he's called upon. If he is, then there is no reason to buy another CB next year if Cannavaro stays and Garay joins.

I lean towards the first option as well although the only one I'd rule out completely is #2 because of....well, our #2.

CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Casillas, Dudek
Defensas: Míchel Salgado, Sergio Ramos, Metzelder, Cannavaro, Heinze
Centrocampistas: Gago, 'Lass' Diarra, Marcelo, Van der Vaart, Robben, Faubert, Guti
Delanteros: Higuaín, Huntelaar y Raúl

Sancionados: Pepe, Sneijder
Fuera por decisión técnica: Codina, Miguel Torres, Javi García, Saviola y Dani Parejo

Huntelaar: "Fui feliz viendo perder al Barça con el Atleti"

CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Leo Franco, Coupet
Defensas: Perea, Heitinga, Ujfalusi, Pablo, Antonio López, Pernía
Centrocampistas: Assunçao, Camacho, Banega, Maniche, Maxi, Simao, Miguel
Delandteros: Sinama Pongolle, Agüero y Diego Forlán.

Sancionados: Raúl García
Fuera por decisión técnica: Seitaridis y Luis García

Jaime wrote:CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Leo Franco, Coupet
Defensas: Perea, Heitinga, Ujfalusi, Pablo, Antonio López, Pernía
Centrocampistas: Assunçao, Camacho, Banega, Maniche, Maxi, Simao, Miguel
Delandteros: Sinama Pongolle, Agüero y Diego Forlán.

Sancionados: Raúl García
Fuera por decisión técnica: Seitaridis y Luis García

Ouch! And some Liverpool fans actually want him back.

kas wrote:

Jaime wrote:CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Leo Franco, Coupet
Defensas: Perea, Heitinga, Ujfalusi, Pablo, Antonio López, Pernía
Centrocampistas: Assunçao, Camacho, Banega, Maniche, Maxi, Simao, Miguel
Delandteros: Sinama Pongolle, Agüero y Diego Forlán.

Sancionados: Raúl García
Fuera por decisión técnica: Seitaridis y Luis García

Ouch! And some Liverpool fans actually want him back.

where did you hear this?

kas wrote:

Jaime wrote:CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Leo Franco, Coupet
Defensas: Perea, Heitinga, Ujfalusi, Pablo, Antonio López, Pernía
Centrocampistas: Assunçao, Camacho, Banega, Maniche, Maxi, Simao, Miguel
Delandteros: Sinama Pongolle, Agüero y Diego Forlán.

Sancionados: Raúl García
Fuera por decisión técnica: Seitaridis y Luis García

Ouch! And some Liverpool fans actually want him back.

Really? I mean, besides Luis? He never plays!

Glennathinaikos wrote:

kas wrote:

Jaime wrote:CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Leo Franco, Coupet
Defensas: Perea, Heitinga, Ujfalusi, Pablo, Antonio López, Pernía
Centrocampistas: Assunçao, Camacho, Banega, Maniche, Maxi, Simao, Miguel
Delandteros: Sinama Pongolle, Agüero y Diego Forlán.

Sancionados: Raúl García
Fuera por decisión técnica: Seitaridis y Luis García

Ouch! And some Liverpool fans actually want him back.

where did you hear this?

Luis for sure, and I'm sure I've read comments saying "we could do with Garcia's knack for goal" etc. Don't remember exactly now though.

sounds like bollocks to me kas

as usual

As usual?

I don't know how to prove it, but I do remember reading comments on those lines from Liverpool fans. Not sure what else I can say on this matter.

Jaime wrote:CONVOCATORIA:

Porteros: Casillas, Dudek
Defensas: Míchel Salgado, Sergio Ramos, Metzelder, Cannavaro, Heinze
Centrocampistas: Gago, 'Lass' Diarra, Marcelo, Van der Vaart, Robben, Faubert, Guti
Delanteros: Higuaín, Huntelaar y Raúl

Sancionados: Pepe, Sneijder
Fuera por decisión técnica: Codina, Miguel Torres, Javi García, Saviola y Dani Parejo

Parejo out Faubert in.