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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:49 pm

    Shame about Gallas' injury. Time for Djourou to step up.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:53 pm

    Nasri definitely needs to be played in the whole after tonight's performance as well.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:55 pm

    Djourou will step up. Was very impressed with him tonight. Gallas however is more experienced and seems to pop up with some vital goals, so in that sense he'll be missed.

    So glad Toure has regained his form, he's a monster these days.
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:58 pm

    Indeed seem's like he's regained the hunger for the game. Still think that he should have been given the captaincy instead of Cesc.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:00 am

    Captaincy is overrated mate. Cesc is a good lad, he loves the club, well behaved, and the supporters love him, so I think he's a good choice.
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:03 am

    I don't doubt that just think Toure would have been the better choice. I suppose I'm just one of those who believe a CB should always be captain.

    Btw what did u make of Clichy's performance? He was really sloppy again and needs to cut out stupid errors that could end up costing the team.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:04 am

    Nasri was poor tonight IMO. He missed the last game through the flu so it's understandable why he didn't make more of an impression on the game.

    Losing Gallas is a huge blow, you would thinks that's him out for the season and a large part of the summer. I agree that Toure has stepped up recently.
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:06 am

    True but bar the United game at home I haven't really seen any outstanding performances from him on the left. It really restricts him. All he ever seems to do is run down the line and pass the ball back to Clichy or play a hopeless ball which always eludes anyone.

    He needs to play in the centre more so than anyone else and is a much better candidate for the 'hole' role than Cesc.

    I'd move him back in alongside Denilson and drop Song for the return leg but that's me. If it's not broken no real need to fix anything.
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    Post by DeLux Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:30 am

    Ray Parlour wrote:I don't doubt that just think Toure would have been the better choice. I suppose I'm just one of those who believe a CB should always be captain.

    Btw what did u make of Clichy's performance? He was really sloppy again and needs to cut out stupid errors that could end up costing the team.

    Can any Arsenal fan tell me why he's never been picked as captain? Going on seniority and leadership - well, better than Cesc or Almunia - he ought to get it hands down.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:31 am

    Whatever it is that doesn't quite make Toure right for captaincy, AW knows. Maybe he's too cliquey with the other African players? who knows.

    I don't think Clichy was that bad - you saw that Villarreal are card-waving merchants and what with the memory of having conceded that last minute penalty in 2006 it wasn't surprising he didn't get too stuck in.

    Gallas' injury is particularly worrying with the view to the FA Cup semi final - not sure if I fancy the idea of Drogbore bearing down on Djourou. Yikes
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    Post by fcb Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:31 am

    It may be too early, but if Arsenal do get past Villarreal, they'll be really fancying their chances of ending up in Rome. Porto are looking good in the other tie, and I think Arsenal match up much better against Porto than they do against Man. Utd.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:44 am

    We do. ok

    We comfortably beat them at home in our group. We lost way from home but by then we had already qualified and we played a much weakened team.

    Good result last night. Agree that Nasri wasn't great but as he had the flu he is forgiven. I think next season we may go more 4-3-3 with Walcott, Arshavin and RVP playing in the two spots behind Adebayor.

    I think we have too many attacking players now though and wouldn't be surprised to see one leave in the summer, if someone put in the right offer
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    Post by fcb Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:52 am

    Cesc to Madrid Question
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:52 am

    CL Comment: Emmanuel Adebayor – One Of The Greatest Ever CL Goals
    Villarreal and Arsenal drew 1-1 in their Champions League quarter final first leg tonight. Carlo Garganese calls on everyone to salute Marcos Senna and, in particular, Emmanuel Adebayor for their stunning goals tonight.

    Emmanuel Adebayor is having one of those games where you just want to put your fist through the television.” Those were the words of an anonymous colleague of mine just ten minutes before the Togo striker controlled a 20-yard lofted Cesc Fabregas pass on his chest, swivelled, and, in one sublime movement, executed a virtually impossible bicycle kick from just inside the area into the bottom far corner of Diego Lopez's net.

    It was the kind of goal that leaves you open-mouthed, and reaching for the rewind button to spot a deflection just to make sure you aren’t hallucinating. It is at times like this when we should all really celebrate football for its beauty. Even those ready to criticise - and those who regularly read my editorials will know that I pull no punches - should stand and applaud such a goal. No matter who you are, or what team you support, accept that this was a moment of outstanding genius.

    This is a strike that will go down as one of the greatest in the history of the Champions League. In fact, I invite all readers to nominate some corkers from the past, so we can see where Adebayor’s goal ranks next to them. It may not have occurred in the final but, in terms of quality, this is up there with Zinedine Zidane’s 2002 volley against Bayer Leverkusen.

    It was pretty vital, too. Arsenal were 1-0 down and had work to do to get back in the tie. Now they are firmly in the driving seat ahead of the second leg at the Emirates Stadium.

    All the focus tomorrow morning will be on Adebayor, but one must also not forget about Marcos Senna’s goal, which, on any normal night, would have grabbed the headlines. The Euro 2008 hero launched home a rocket from 30 yards into the top corner of the net on 10 minutes to give Villarreal the lead, and it was a goal that, at the time, seemed worthy of winning any match.

    It was not to be for Senna, who was truly superb tonight and undoubtedly the man-of-the-match. But if any goal was to deny him and Villarreal, then they don't come any better than Adebayor's. It's fitting: these two sides, having battled so closely in the past, even find near-symmetry in their moments of genius.

    Who's for more of the same in the second leg?

    Carlo Garganese, Goal.com
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:20 pm

    kas wrote:It may be too early, but if Arsenal do get past Villarreal, they'll be really fancying their chances of ending up in Rome. Porto are looking good in the other tie, and I think Arsenal match up much better against Porto than they do against Man. Utd.
    I rather play the Mancs, but do not fancy their chances to progress.

    Think we're odds on to qualify now. RVP will be back; V'real didn't look good during set pieces, wouldn't bet against Robin getting an assist.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:01 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:Whatever it is that doesn't quite make Toure right for captaincy, AW knows. Maybe he's too cliquey with the other African players? who knows.

    I think he didn't get it coz he wasn't a guaranteed starter(and was rumoured to be on his way out of the club) when the captaincy was up for grasp. Anyway, as I said all this captaincy thing is overrated, It wouldn't change a thing If u replace Cesc with Toure.

    TheCrazy58 wrote:Gallas' injury is particularly worrying with the view to the FA Cup semi final - not sure if I fancy the idea of Drogbore bearing down on Djourou. Yikes

    Djourou has already dealt with Drogba before - see our league game at Stamford Bridge in the 2006/2007 season. It's Senderos that usually struggles against the Ivorian. But still, I think Gallas will be a great miss because of his experience and knack for scoring vital goals.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:05 pm

    De Guzman wrote:
    kas wrote:It may be too early, but if Arsenal do get past Villarreal, they'll be really fancying their chances of ending up in Rome. Porto are looking good in the other tie, and I think Arsenal match up much better against Porto than they do against Man. Utd.
    I rather play the Mancs, but do not fancy their chances to progress.

    Think we're odds on to qualify now. RVP will be back; V'real didn't look good during set pieces, wouldn't bet against Robin getting an assist.

    I hope he's back. I'd play him inplace of Walcott on the right, and Nasri, Cesc, Ade should all be match fit by then. We can beat them at home, just hope complacency(which this side is frequently guilty of) doesn't kick in.
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:15 pm

    Possible scores for this game

    1-1
    1-2
    2-2

    The only chance arsenal have to go though is by PK or score 3+ goals.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:26 pm

    Tweedle wrote:We do. ok

    We comfortably beat them at home in our group. We lost way from home but by then we had already qualified and we played a much weakened team.

    Good result last night. Agree that Nasri wasn't great but as he had the flu he is forgiven. I think next season we may go more 4-3-3 with Walcott, Arshavin and RVP playing in the two spots behind Adebayor.

    I think we have too many attacking players now though and wouldn't be surprised to see one leave in the summer, if someone put in the right offer

    I was in favour of letting one of our top strikers go this summer considering the fact that we'll likely be playing one front man, but I have changed my mind. I think RVP should be played on the right, he's one of the best in the world in that position and better than anyone we've got there. Cesc should be alternating between CM and AM(depending on the opposition), Nasri, Arshavin, Rosicky, Bendtner can play in any of the positions behind the main striker, Vela and Eduardo can play on either wings, with Ade and Edurado fighting so a spot upfront. Yes we do seem to have a lot of attacking players, but having a huge pool of attacking players(playmakers + forwards) to choose from gives us options, and that's exactly what a squad as injury prone as ours should have.

    I'm hoping we get a solid CB partnership next season(maybe Toure-Djourou will form that before the end of the season), with our young CMs improving , we might be a force next season.
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    Post by Hlebagone Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:28 pm

    You forgot Walcott as well.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:32 pm

    Yes massive improvement this season, and we are probably witnessing the making of an arsenal Legend, but I'd have behind RVP on the right for now.
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    Post by Hlebagone Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:35 pm

    Hmmmmm i would definitely call that a glass half full approach but theres definitely been an improvement. Just wondering where you saw him in the scheme of things.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:37 pm

    Hlebagone wrote:You forgot Walcott as well.

    Oh yes reading It back, I didn't mention Walcott. Wanted to type "Vela and Walcott can play on either wings" but somehow typed Eduardo for Walcott. Doh
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:46 pm

    Hlebagone wrote:Hmmmmm i would definitely call that a glass half full approach but theres definitely been an improvement. Just wondering where you saw him in the scheme of things.

    Yes he's still way off the player a lot of Arsenal fans think he's. But his pace is a massive asset for us. He can stretch teams and can be a very good outlet for us.

    I think he should be mainly coming off the bench against teams that sit deep at present. He should start most games though against teams that attack us. Don't want to see him on the wings in a normal 4-4-2 (should be playing upfront), but he should play on the wings in a 4-2-3-1.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:40 pm

    Arsenal's name is on this trophy I tells ya !

    Anyone got a link to Adebayor's goal ?
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    Post by christmasborocooper Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:42 pm

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2333568/
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:44 pm

    borocooper wrote:http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2333568/

    Cheers - awesome goal.
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    Post by stinger Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:32 am

    Just finished watching replay of the game on Setanta US. Very entertaining match, happy to see Fabianski doing well. He should do well in replay too, but I am not so optimistic about him in Premier League games, where he will be more pressured inside the 6yard box. Looked surprisengly nervous too (looking at his facial expressions). I know situation wasn't easy, but it's unlike him. But he did well overall.

    Senna's performance was the best I saw him playing since EC 2008 and didn't see him contribute so much attacking wise since last LaLiga season.

    Still waiting for a good Walcott's performance as right winger, when opposite team doesn't play high backline. Probably he had some that I've just missed though...

    Question - who is the 3rd striker for Villarreal behind Rossi and Llorente? Can't see them scoring against Arsenal playing Rossi upfront, they were pretty toothless after Llorente was subbed, even if bringhing Pires helped them getting some of the control back in the middle area...

    Great goals by Senna and Adebayor of course ok
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:56 am

    stinger wrote:Just finished watching replay of the game on Setanta US. Very entertaining match, happy to see Fabianski doing well. He should do well in replay too, but I am not so optimistic about him in Premier League games, where he will be more pressured inside the 6yard box. Looked surprisengly nervous too (looking at his facial expressions). I know situation wasn't easy, but it's unlike him. But he did well overall.

    Senna's performance was the best I saw him playing since EC 2008 and didn't see him contribute so much attacking wise since last LaLiga season.

    Still waiting for a good Walcott's performance as right winger, when opposite team doesn't play high backline. Probably he had some that I've just missed though...

    Question - who is the 3rd striker for Villarreal behind Rossi and Llorente? Can't see them scoring against Arsenal playing Rossi upfront, they were pretty toothless after Llorente was subbed, even if bringhing Pires helped them getting some of the control back in the middle area...

    Great goals by Senna and Adebayor of course ok

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    Post by stinger Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:15 am

    Messiah wrote:
    stinger wrote:Just finished watching replay of the game on Setanta US. Very entertaining match, happy to see Fabianski doing well. He should do well in replay too, but I am not so optimistic about him in Premier League games, where he will be more pressured inside the 6yard box. Looked surprisengly nervous too (looking at his facial expressions). I know situation wasn't easy, but it's unlike him. But he did well overall.

    Senna's performance was the best I saw him playing since EC 2008 and didn't see him contribute so much attacking wise since last LaLiga season.

    Still waiting for a good Walcott's performance as right winger, when opposite team doesn't play high backline. Probably he had some that I've just missed though...

    Question - who is the 3rd striker for Villarreal behind Rossi and Llorente? Can't see them scoring against Arsenal playing Rossi upfront, they were pretty toothless after Llorente was subbed, even if bringhing Pires helped them getting some of the control back in the middle area...

    Great goals by Senna and Adebayor of course ok

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