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Arsenal vs. Villarreal - CL quarterfinal discussion thread
Super Progress- Number of posts : 15429
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Would love if a team like Villarreal can go through playing the style they play. They just haven't been that strong this season apart from the first month or two. Hopefully they will find some form in time so they can win this.
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Pellegeni has showed he is great at organizing his teams for the CL, this tie is 50/50 and i fancy them to push man utd all the way if they advance
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May the squirrel be with us again:
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kas wrote:Imagine if there are enough injuries that we see Cygan's return to Arsenal
Now that would probably elicit an even bigger cheer than Pires returning (if for slightly differing reasons)!
My thoughts are similar to most people. This is the sort of tie where we could under-perform and get caught out. Having said that, I'm delighted with the draw. It's as good a chance to progress to the semi-finals as we could ask for, and hopefully they should be decent games of football.
My only disappointment is that I won't get the chance to visit Munich or Barcelona in the CL this year, which I was hoping for.
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Are Arsenal Underdogs Against Villarreal?
Posted 23/03/09 09:32
Arsenal's Champions League clash with Villarreal in April looks set to be a fantastic footballing festival of fanny-merchants - the phrase used by legendary F365 columnist John Nicholson, to describe players of a somewhat poncier persuasion.
The duelling double-date will feature a team with a firm fondness for dicking around and dithering rather than sticking the ball in the back of the net.
It will feature a fourth-placed side well-regarded by neutrals, lead by a professorial manager that likes to promote young talent and do things 'the right way'.
It will also feature Arsenal.
The quarter-final tie that sees the Gunners trying to blast their way through the muti-hulled hide of the Yellow Submarine is a dream come for true for the average footballer, who likes nothing more than staring at his mirror image.
Arsenal and Villarreal are like two peas in pod, Paul Scholes and a volleyball player, Obama and a one-armed bowler.
They are a couple of teams who caress the ball, who have big love for the Beautiful Game, but who have naff-all to show for their admirable efforts over the past few seasons.
At six-points behind a less than sensational Sevilla in third, and 21 off the league leaders Barcelona, it looks like being a season of relative disappointment for the east coast side from the teeny town, of Vila-real.
And if that sounds a tad harsh on the plucky performers, it's because of how darned well the club has done over recent seasons.
In the last campaign, Manuel Pellegrini's men took advantage of a poor Barcelona to slide into second place. An already impressive squad was then reinforced with Valladolid striker, Joseba Llorente, whilst playmaker Ariel Ibagaza joined the Villarreal midfield from Mallorca.
However, the club has failed to make that extra push that so many hoped for in challenging la Liga's big knobs at the top of the table.
Instead, the occasional lack of goalscoring guile and a surprisingly suspect defence sees Villarreal fist-fighting Atlético Madrid for fourth place and looking longingly at the Champions League as their best chance of winning a shiny trinket this season.
On paper, Villarreal have more than a sneaky chance of moving past their English opponents into the final four phase.
An arguably weaker version of the side famously fought its way through to the semi-finals in 2006, only to lose out to Arsenal after a late penalty miss from the long since departed Juan Roman Riquelme.
In this year's competition Pellegrini cobbled together a defensive, counter-attacking plan that produced two goalless draws against Manchester United in the group stages.
And the side perhaps bettered that minor miracle by coming back from a disappointing 1-1 draw in el Madrigal in the last sixteen by beating Panathinaikos 2-1 in Greece - a feat that is worth a fair amount of cap-doffing.
Unfortunately for Villarreal, this handy knack of getting the required results has deserted them for much of the league season, mainly due to poor defensive displays.
After 28 rounds of la Liga, Villarreal have conceded 37 goals, a lacklustre figure compared to the 40 let in for the whole of the last campaign.
This has in part been to persistent injuries to centre backs Diego Godín and Gonzalo Rodríguez and the need to play Pascal Cygan in their place - something that's never going to go well.
The back four's defensive cover in midfield, Marcus Senna, has looked tired and has failed to match the form the that wowed the world - and Manchester City - at Euro 2008.
But Villarreal's squad is still packed with tasty goodies elsewhere.
Goalkeeper, Diego López, has been keeping the defensive damage down with some outstanding displays that have attracted the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson who reportedly sees him as the successor to Edwin van der Sar, López' goalkeeping idol.
Like Arsenal, the men from El Madrigal have a midfield jammed with magic midfielders, who are tremendously comfortable on the ball, but tend to overplay - Cani, 'Matigol', Pires, Ibagaza.
The stand out footballer from this particular pack is Spanish international Santi Cazorla.
The 24-year-old midfielder may look a little like a cheeky chipmunk but is set to be a crucial part of Spain's midfield for many years to come.
On Saturday night, Cazorla popped up to rescue his team-mates who were being bogged down by Athletic Bilbao.
Despite Villarreal's dominant display over their opponents, the home-side simply couldn't make the breakthrough - as predictable as the words 'jobless' and 'immigrant' appearing in a Daily Express headline these days.
But then, midway through the second half, a superb run from Giuseppe Rossi ended with Cazorla hammering the ball home to make it 1-0.
Villarreal visibly relaxed from that point and grabbed their second in injury time to give the match a familiar feel - a narrow win and a scoreline that did not reflect their superiority.
Villarreal is known to be one of the few well-run, relatively normal clubs in Spain. But that's not hard, when compared with the likes of Xerez, whose black eye-sporting president was arrested last week, after a big night out that reportedly involved trying to procure a lady for the night, a fight with a Russian bouncer and five shots being fired into the door of a bordello.
Villarreal is also the second team of most football fans in Spain (aside from Valencia supporters perhaps).
However, club owner and president Fernando Roig, has confessed that he may well struggle to keep the likes of Cazorla, Senna, López and Rossi at the club over the summer, with a fair amount of suitors standing in line to offer them bigger and better deals elsewhere.
But Villarreal will still be causing a kerfuffle next season, no matter what happens. And this is thanks to their Arsenal-like scouting network.
On a recent trip to South America, Getafe's sporting director complained that every time he spotted a talented youngster he discovered that Villarreal had already signed them up.
And this will continue to be the club's strategy - buy low, sell high.
Football365 recently spoke to Villarreal's young American striker, Jozy Altidore, about his side's Champions League chances this year, and his answer was a positive one.
"If the team are at full strength, there's a very good possibility that they good surprise a lot of people," said the forward currently on loan at Xerez.
However, Altidore is perhaps doing Villarreal a disservice by suggesting that a win over Arsenal, for example, would be a shock.
Villarreal have lost just three of their 22 Champions League clashes and have a higher UEFA rating than Real Madrid (admittedly, not that hard).
The English media have no doubt moved Arsenal into the semi-final stages already, but there is a feeling that the Spanish club branded "the pride of the nation" by Marca after their Panathinaikos win, could be making a name for themselves once again.
Round 28 results
Villarreal 2-0 Athletic Bilbao
Sevilla 4-1 Valladolid
Getafe 2-1 Recreativo
Osasuna 1-0 Espanyol
Racing 0-1 Valencia
Numancia 2-1 Sporting
Real Madrid 3-0 Almería
Deportivo 1-1 Betis
Barcelona 6-0 Málaga
Mallorca 2-0 Atlético
Tim Stannard
http://football365.com/spanish_thing/0,17033,9405_5089043,00.html
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ROBERT PIRES is out for Euro revenge after claiming boss Arsene Wenger ‘killed’ him at the end of his Arsenal career.
Former Gunner Pires is still haunted by the memory of being subbed just 18 minutes into the 2006 Champions League final in Paris.
Midfielder Pires was dragged off after keeper Jens Lehmann had been red-carded for bringing down Barcelona’s Samuel Eto’o.
Pires has still not forgiven Wenger and said: “My biggest disappointment was playing only 18 minutes in the Champions League final. Wenger killed me when he took me off.
“For that reason, I could not stay at Arsenal and I moved to Villarreal. The final was played in Paris. All my family were there and I really suffered.”
Pires, 35, will meet Wenger when Spanish side Villarreal take on the Gunners in the quarter-finals of this season’s competition.
And the Frenchman is up for it. He added: “Arsenal lack English players at the moment. That ingredient is very important and it’s missing.
“When I arrived, there were a lot of English players there and that is why we won. You need to have a mix in the dressing room. What I see now is that they lack that mix.
“I’m sure Arsenal won’t be happy with the Euro draw. The only thing in my head is to knock them out.”
I'm not sure if this has already been posted. Fair enough I guess, its a bit of a shame he still hasn't gotten over it though and after all the years with Arsenal, that is his one lasting memory.
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Bastard & a lucky one, because the only reason he'll feature in the QF wil be his manager hoping his grudge will inspire him.
Pires was a great player, but remarks like that are from a sour loser. He needed to stay on the pitch because his family & friends were watching & the match was in France, what a load of crap.
Pires was a great player, but remarks like that are from a sour loser. He needed to stay on the pitch because his family & friends were watching & the match was in France, what a load of crap.
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Does sound very arrogant. The keeper was sent off and Wenger had to take someone off (most likely it was going to be an attacking player). He can be upset about it, but he shouldn't hold a grudge because Wenger was pretty much forced to make that change.
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How can a French guy be taken off by a French manager playing for a French team, and worst of all, a final held in France? And denying a legal goal by a French man Giuly to add insult to injury? It's ridiculous.
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Unflinching Frenchman wrote:How can a French guy be taken off by a French manager playing for a French team, and worst of all, a final held in France? And denying a legal goal by a French man Giuly to add insult to injury? It's ridiculous.
Who would you have taken off?
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L-r d wrote:Unflinching Frenchman wrote:How can a French guy be taken off by a French manager playing for a French team, and worst of all, a final held in France? And denying a legal goal by a French man Giuly to add insult to injury? It's ridiculous.
Who would you have taken off?
no one should have been taken off. The goal should have been given.
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Too bad about Cazorla's injury at the weekend. But if there is one place where Villarreal have some depth in their squad it is attacking midfielder. Still a big loss for them...
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Tim Vickerys blog this week was on Pellegrini
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2009/04/pellegrini_keeps_yellow_submar.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2009/04/pellegrini_keeps_yellow_submar.html
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This match is impossible to call. Villarreal's style can definitely counter Arsenal's, Infact i think Arsenal's style of football plays into their hands. Whiel RVP and Ade are talented players in their own right, they are hardly close to Rossi, so unless Cesc is on form It's looking like a Man Utd- Villarreal semi
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I think Adebayor can give real problems to Villarreal's defense. Considering it's an away game and Van Persie has some injury trouble, Wenger will probably start with his standard CL knockout stage formation of 4-5-1 with Cesc the furthest forward midfielder.
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They are the only French side left in the competition. So bet your a$$ Arsenal will go through.
Nasri would make all the difference. He is better than Cesc in "hole" role. Is he playing though?
Nasri would make all the difference. He is better than Cesc in "hole" role. Is he playing though?
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Expecting this line-up
Almunia
Sagna - Gallas - Toure - Clichy
Song - Denilson
Walcott/Eboue - Fab - Nasri
Ade
Almunia
Sagna - Gallas - Toure - Clichy
Song - Denilson
Walcott/Eboue - Fab - Nasri
Ade
Last edited by Rosicky on Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:18 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Arsenal squad to face Villarreal:
GK: Manuel ALMUNIA , Lukasz FABIANSKI
DF: Bacary SAGNA , Kolo TOURE , William GALLAS , Mikael SILVESTRE , Johan DJOUROU , Gael CLICHY , Kieran GIBBS
MF: Cesc FABREGAS , Samir NASRI , DENILSON , Alex SONG , Emmanuel EBOUE
ST: Emmanuel ADEBAYOR , Nicklas BENDTNER , Theo WALCOTT, Carlos VELA
GK: Manuel ALMUNIA , Lukasz FABIANSKI
DF: Bacary SAGNA , Kolo TOURE , William GALLAS , Mikael SILVESTRE , Johan DJOUROU , Gael CLICHY , Kieran GIBBS
MF: Cesc FABREGAS , Samir NASRI , DENILSON , Alex SONG , Emmanuel EBOUE
ST: Emmanuel ADEBAYOR , Nicklas BENDTNER , Theo WALCOTT, Carlos VELA
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Wheres Van Persie?
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L-r d wrote:Wheres Van Persie?
Have a guess.
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What is Walcott doing in a CL? There is no 100 meters sprint track in Madrigal.
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Unflinching Frenchman wrote:What is Walcott doing in a CL? There is no 100 meters sprint track in Madrigal.
Eh he made an impact last year
Injured rosicky? well that evens up Cazorla then.
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Good news for Villarreal, both Cani and Marcos Senna should be recovered from injury for the first leg.
http://www.marca.com/2009/04/05/futbol/equipos/villarreal/1238931760.html
http://www.marca.com/2009/04/05/futbol/equipos/villarreal/1238931760.html
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Jaime wrote:Good news for Villarreal, both Cani and Marcos Senna should be recovered from injury for the first leg.
http://www.marca.com/2009/04/05/futbol/equipos/villarreal/1238931760.html
I think they'll also recover Godin-Gonzalo, no? It'll be really important because Adebayor is the kind of player that Spanish defenses will find extremely difficult to stop.
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Godin didn't play against Almeria, not sure why (he was on the bench). But I assume that the CB pairing for Arsenal will be Godin-Gonzalo.
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which off the following will replace Santi in the team
Cani
Pires
Mati
My money is on pires, because he will be going out to get some sweet revenge on wenger and will Villarreal try and match arsenal in midfield or stick to their regular 4-4-2 formation.
Cani
Pires
Mati
My money is on pires, because he will be going out to get some sweet revenge on wenger and will Villarreal try and match arsenal in midfield or stick to their regular 4-4-2 formation.
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Senna seeks Arsenal revenge
06 April 2009, 17:55
Marcos Senna's blog
We are all thrilled here in Villarreal and anxious for this quarter-final against Arsenal. We lost 3-0 against UD Almería on Saturday, but we have to put this result behind us. I was injured, Santi Cazorla got injured during the game and, even though we tried to focus, our heads were already in the UEFA Champions League. I am fit and ready to play. Some of my friends were worried as I was injured last week playing for Spain, but I made a fast recovery. I worked out on Monday and I will be able to play against Arsenal. Unfortunately we will miss Cazorla a lot. He is one of my best friends and one of our best players.
Bigger and better
Our team is better than the one that lost to Arsenal in the semi-finals three years ago. Our squad is bigger and our coach has more options. Back then we couldn't afford to lose Juan Román Riquelme, for example. Arsenal, on the other hand, are less experienced now. It is true Cesc Fàbregas is an important player for them, but he is coming back from injury and still isn't a superstar player, as Thierry Henry was at that time. They are a different side, as are we. It is strange, as both teams still have the same coaches. You have to give credit to Manuel Pellegrini. In a few years he has built a totally different team, but he is reaching the same heights.
'More mature'
The players aside, our team mentality has changed a lot over the years. In 2006, everything was new. People were a bit nervous. That campaign was a surprise for everyone. Now it is different. We are no longer the new kids on the block. We are much more confident and relaxed. We are aware of our capabilities. I remember 2006 as one of the best years of my life. There was the UEFA Champions League semi-final, I was called to play the World Cup for Spain and my wife became pregnant. The lows were the penalty Riquelme missed in the semi-final second leg and our ticket to the final going up in smoke. Some people were desperate that night, but I reacted quite calmly. These things happen in football and we have to learn from them. That is why we are more mature now. Hopefully, we will get our revenge, beat Arsenal and go through to the semi-finals. I truly believe Villlarreal have a chance to get to the final this time.
http://www1.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/talkfootball/blogs/newsid=817049.html?cid=rssfeed&att=index
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Some Arsenal fans in some blogs are predicting an easy 3-0 victory for us
As I said just after the draw, I'm much more confident knocking ManU out in the semis than doing the same to Villareal in the quarters. But one thing that might play into our hands is Villareal might look at our league position and think we are there for the taking, they'll be in for a surprise If they think so.
06 April 2009, 17:55
Marcos Senna's blog
We are all thrilled here in Villarreal and anxious for this quarter-final against Arsenal. We lost 3-0 against UD Almería on Saturday, but we have to put this result behind us. I was injured, Santi Cazorla got injured during the game and, even though we tried to focus, our heads were already in the UEFA Champions League. I am fit and ready to play. Some of my friends were worried as I was injured last week playing for Spain, but I made a fast recovery. I worked out on Monday and I will be able to play against Arsenal. Unfortunately we will miss Cazorla a lot. He is one of my best friends and one of our best players.
Bigger and better
Our team is better than the one that lost to Arsenal in the semi-finals three years ago. Our squad is bigger and our coach has more options. Back then we couldn't afford to lose Juan Román Riquelme, for example. Arsenal, on the other hand, are less experienced now. It is true Cesc Fàbregas is an important player for them, but he is coming back from injury and still isn't a superstar player, as Thierry Henry was at that time. They are a different side, as are we. It is strange, as both teams still have the same coaches. You have to give credit to Manuel Pellegrini. In a few years he has built a totally different team, but he is reaching the same heights.
'More mature'
The players aside, our team mentality has changed a lot over the years. In 2006, everything was new. People were a bit nervous. That campaign was a surprise for everyone. Now it is different. We are no longer the new kids on the block. We are much more confident and relaxed. We are aware of our capabilities. I remember 2006 as one of the best years of my life. There was the UEFA Champions League semi-final, I was called to play the World Cup for Spain and my wife became pregnant. The lows were the penalty Riquelme missed in the semi-final second leg and our ticket to the final going up in smoke. Some people were desperate that night, but I reacted quite calmly. These things happen in football and we have to learn from them. That is why we are more mature now. Hopefully, we will get our revenge, beat Arsenal and go through to the semi-finals. I truly believe Villlarreal have a chance to get to the final this time.
http://www1.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/talkfootball/blogs/newsid=817049.html?cid=rssfeed&att=index
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Some Arsenal fans in some blogs are predicting an easy 3-0 victory for us
As I said just after the draw, I'm much more confident knocking ManU out in the semis than doing the same to Villareal in the quarters. But one thing that might play into our hands is Villareal might look at our league position and think we are there for the taking, they'll be in for a surprise If they think so.
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Messiah wrote:which off the following will replace Santi in the team
Cani
Pires
Mati
My money is on pires, because he will be going out to get some sweet revenge on wenger and will Villarreal try and match arsenal in midfield or stick to their regular 4-4-2 formation.
Cani had been in very good form prior to picking up that last injury so I assume Pellegrini would go back with him.
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Yes, I would expect Cani to start too. Don't think Pires has the fitness to play 90 mins regularly...he started on the weekend (but got sent off anyway). Will be interesting to see whether Pellegrini goes for it with a normal 4-4-2 or tries to match Wenger's 4-5-1 by playing an extra midfielder and Rossi alone up front. I really hope it's the former.
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Rosicky wrote:Expecting this line-up
Almunia
Sagna - Gallas - Toure - Clichy
Song - Denilson
Walcott - Fab - Nasri
Ade
Yep that'll be the team.
A shame Diaby is out injured as usual, otherwise I'd have played him in place of Song or Denilson. Song and Denilson are far more reliable(they are more likely to give u a good solid performance), but Diaby is more of a match winner/changer. He possesses certain qualities which makes him very difficult to play against when he's sharp and completely focussed(he usually is in the big games).
Very good news that Nasri is back.