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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:17 pm

    Italy Coach Marcello Lippi: Antonio Cassano Will Not Go To The World Cup
    Any lingering dreams that Cassano had regarding the Azzurri have been stamped upon by Lippi, who has firmly stated his stance on the player

    Italy coach Marcello Lippi has attempted to bury the Antonio Cassano question once and for all, categorically ruling him out of the World Cup in South Africa.

    Cassano's inclusion in the squad has always looked doubtful, and Lippi has now squashed any hopes the Sampdoria man had. The coach has his ideas set in stone, and it appears there will be no further chances for Cassano.

    "I am very sorry for Cassano as he is a very good guy, but I have my own ideas, even though an incredible situation has been created," Lippi told L'Espresso.

    "Everyone says I am a hard head and arrogant, but my real defect is being coherent. Fans and the papers are always like political parties. Everyone has his own candidate for the national team.

    "The reason I don't give explanations regarding my selections is because it would create other situations. I have my own ideas."

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/world-cup-2010/2009/11/26/1649132/italy-coach-marcello-lippi-antonio-cassano-will-not-go-to

    I can't wait to see Italy go crashing out when they can't combine their way through any decent teams. What an utter c**t. Grr
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:08 pm

    What we all expected, but now it is official Sad
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:27 pm

    Only Totti or perhaps Aquilani can perform that role and im not sure Totti will come back from retirement or if he has it in him to give everything he got. I have high hopes for Aquilani allthough he will mostly play as a central midfield for Liverpool and while he can play that role I do think he is better in the Am position. Apart from those two I can't see other players who have the talent and the experience for a big club.

    Giovinco/Foggia perhaps can gain some experience this season but surely they can develop fast enough to lead Italy at a world cup. Really is an unpractical move by Lippi to already dismiss Cassano at this point.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:00 pm

    Yeh i'm hopeful Totti might come out of retirement. He is playing well atm and would provide that much needed creativity in the final third. Still Cassano would've been better since he is more dynamic and can dribble past players.

    Like you said, the likes of Di Natale, Quagliarella and Rossi aren't entirely convincing especially at the highest level.

    Lippi tried Pirlo in the trequartista role - he did ok but not sure he will be able to perform against more physical defences. Montolivo is another option but he hasn't been that great for the NT. Apparantly he doesn't really care for the NT.

    If i picked the Italy side:
    Cassano Gilardino
    Aquilani
    Marchisio De Rossi
    Pirlo
    Criscito Chiellini Gamberini Motta
    Buffon


    Maybe put D'Agostino instead of Pirlo since Pirlo and De Rossi don't work too well together.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:38 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:If i picked the Italy side:
    Cassano Gilardino
    Aquilani
    Marchisio De Rossi
    Pirlo
    Criscito Chiellini Gamberini Motta
    Buffon


    Maybe put D'Agostino instead of Pirlo since Pirlo and De Rossi don't work too well together.

    My pick would be a bit different, but it would require getting 2 players out of retirement (which shouldn't be difficult IMO if they are fit next summer):

    Gilardino
    Cassano - Totti - Camoranesi
    Pirlo - De Rossi
    Grosso - Chiellini - Nesta - Motta
    Buffon


    (or Totti could take Gila's position, Pirlo could take Totti's, and Marchisio could partner De Rossi in the centre)

    Back-up XI:

    Pazzini
    Foggia - Aquilani - Iaquinta
    D'Agostino - Marchisio
    Criscito - Cannavaro - Gamberini - Santon
    Marchetti


    This squad would be a good blend of youth/experience, talent/workhorses, & creativity/resilience.

    Maybe its a DM short (to cover for tactical flexibility) so you could take Aquilani out for an additional midfield workshorse (Palombo, Zanetti, Brighi, Gattuso, whatever). Also, Rossi or Di Natale could go instead of Foggia, depending on their form next summer. Or perhaps Amauri for Pazzini, depending on citizenship status.

    But Lippi would never go for something like this. Only 4 juve players in the starting XI, Lippi will never do that Doh
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:07 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Yeh i'm hopeful Totti might come out of retirement. He is playing well atm and would provide that much needed creativity in the final third. Still Cassano would've been better since he is more dynamic and can dribble past players.

    Like you said, the likes of Di Natale, Quagliarella and Rossi aren't entirely convincing especially at the highest level.

    Lippi tried Pirlo in the trequartista role - he did ok but not sure he will be able to perform against more physical defences. Montolivo is another option but he hasn't been that great for the NT. Apparantly he doesn't really care for the NT.

    If i picked the Italy side:
    Cassano Gilardino
    Aquilani
    Marchisio De Rossi
    Pirlo
    Criscito Chiellini Gamberini Motta
    Buffon


    Maybe put D'Agostino instead of Pirlo since Pirlo and De Rossi don't work too well together.
    I have lost faith in De Rossi ever doing it on a big stage. This guy has progressed in a very strange way. First a big talent and then he stalled before progressing again under Spaletti but nowadays I don't see him making enough of an stamp on big games. I have only seen a few games of D'Agostino and some clips but he seems to be a logical replacement for Pirlo until Cigarini is consistent enough. Also D'Agostino adds a bit more physically so Italy doesn't have to have bulls like Gattuso.

    Haven't noticed Criscito too much whenever I have seen Genoa so I can't asses his talent. How good he is going forward? What happaned to Pasqual? Vargas took his place first before everybody figured out he was in fact a wing back. But I thought Pasqual got his place back after that or has he simply not lived up to his rep?
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:28 pm

    Super Higuain wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Yeh i'm hopeful Totti might come out of retirement. He is playing well atm and would provide that much needed creativity in the final third. Still Cassano would've been better since he is more dynamic and can dribble past players.

    Like you said, the likes of Di Natale, Quagliarella and Rossi aren't entirely convincing especially at the highest level.

    Lippi tried Pirlo in the trequartista role - he did ok but not sure he will be able to perform against more physical defences. Montolivo is another option but he hasn't been that great for the NT. Apparantly he doesn't really care for the NT.

    If i picked the Italy side:
    Cassano Gilardino
    Aquilani
    Marchisio De Rossi
    Pirlo
    Criscito Chiellini Gamberini Motta
    Buffon


    Maybe put D'Agostino instead of Pirlo since Pirlo and De Rossi don't work too well together.
    I have lost faith in De Rossi ever doing it on a big stage. This guy has progressed in a very strange way. First a big talent and then he stalled before progressing again under Spaletti but nowadays I don't see him making enough of an stamp on big games. I have only seen a few games of D'Agostino and some clips but he seems to be a logical replacement for Pirlo until Cigarini is consistent enough. Also D'Agostino adds a bit more physically so Italy doesn't have to have bulls like Gattuso.

    Haven't noticed Criscito too much whenever I have seen Genoa so I can't asses his talent. How good he is going forward? What happaned to Pasqual? Vargas took his place first before everybody figured out he was in fact a wing back. But I thought Pasqual got his place back after that or has he simply not lived up to his rep?

    Agree with you about De Rossi. In these big games he seems to lose all confidence in his passing ability and he plays too deep and too conservatively - sometimes he is almost like a 3rd CB. It's something we don't need when we have Pirlo in the side. Problem is who else is there? Camoranesi also never performs in the big games and i think it's embarrasing that Italy still relies on a player like him. Gattuso and Perrotta are finished. Ambrosini is on Lippi's blacklist. Palombo doesn't really have much talent - just a poor man's Gattuso.

    Criscito is a defensive fullback. He also sometimes plays CB.

    Pasqual didn't really develop as expected, especially in the defensive aspect of his game. He plays sometimes for Fiorentina, but i think Prandelli prefers Gobbi at LB.
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    Post by Dualist Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:51 pm

    Sad day for Azzurri supporters. World cup is the finest stage for talents like Cassano.
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:54 pm

    With our without Cassano : really hope Italy will end up in our group Ale
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    Post by Dualist Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:55 pm

    Which team do you support?
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:04 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:With our without Cassano : really hope Italy will end up in our group Ale

    Cassano>Van Dickface

    Hope we end up in your group too, i hope we get completely outplayed and you miss lots of penalties during the match and then in the last minute Grosso dives to win Italy a penalty.

    You will go completely mad. Smile
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:07 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Axeslammer wrote:With our without Cassano : really hope Italy will end up in our group Ale

    Cassano>Van Dickface

    Hope we end up in your group too, i hope we get completely outplayed and you miss lots of penalties during the match and then in the last minute Grosso dives to win Italy a penalty.

    You will go completely mad. Smile

    I'll also wake you up and tell you the game that wasn't played in your dreams ended 3-0 to us.

    We'll *slaughter* you lot cheers
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    Post by Dualist Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:14 pm

    Both Cassano and Van Persie are genius players who would have easily reached & even surpass Ibra-level if they had their head in right place. Both looked to have turned a page. Most creative strikers in their respective league.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:20 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Axeslammer wrote:With our without Cassano : really hope Italy will end up in our group Ale

    Cassano>Van Dickface

    Hope we end up in your group too, i hope we get completely outplayed and you miss lots of penalties during the match and then in the last minute Grosso dives to win Italy a penalty.

    You will go completely mad. Smile

    I'll also wake you up and tell you the game that wasn't played in your dreams ended 3-0 to us.

    We'll *slaughter* you lot cheers

    The 3-0 meant nothing. We still qualified along with you guys and got as far as you. Lippi is not as foolish as Donadoni - he won't field Barzagli and Materazzi in defence.

    "slaughter"? This coming from a side that cried like little pussies because we played too hard in a friendly? Razz
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    Post by Fey Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:33 pm

    Cassano is wank, he made the worst dive ever in a pre-season friendly last august. We totally dicked Sampdoria with 3-0.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:36 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Criscito is a defensive fullback. He also sometimes plays CB.

    Criscito is quite versatile, and has played in 3 different positions for Genoa already this season. CB, LB & even LW. His attacking play has improved quite a bit, even scored 2 goals (I think). Tho he definately needs to work on his crosses.

    Criscito is quality IMO - if I have to pick defenders under 23 for Italy, he would be the first name on the sheet, definately before the likes of Bocchetti, Ranocchia, Motta, Santon, etc

    On the brighter side, there is a lot of emerging young talent in defence for Italy... I hope the next Azzurri coach is a bit more youth friendly.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:50 pm

    Dualist wrote:Both Cassano and Van Persie are genius players who would have easily reached & even surpass Ibra-level if they had their head in right place. Both looked to have turned a page. Most creative strikers in their respective league.
    Van Persie has better shooting ability but in every other area basically Cassano is better. Agooner mentioned this and I agree; Van Persie's creativity is overrated while his goalscoring is underrated. He will, a bit surprising, turn into a striker if he hasn't already.

    Axe lol!
    So next year is Holland's year? Biggrin

    Confidence as a virtue is much needed at the big cups but stupidity is not. Wink
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    Post by Dualist Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:09 pm

    Super Higuain wrote:
    Dualist wrote:Both Cassano and Van Persie are genius players who would have easily reached & even surpass Ibra-level if they had their head in right place. Both looked to have turned a page. Most creative strikers in their respective league.
    Van Persie has better shooting ability but in every other area basically Cassano is better. Agooner mentioned this and I agree; Van Persie's creativity is overrated while his goalscoring is underrated. He will, a bit surprising, turn into a striker if he hasn't already.
    I don't think Van Persie's creativity is overrated. But I do see why Cassano could be deemed better in that department.
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:44 pm

    Super Higuain wrote:
    Axe lol!
    So next year is Holland's year? Biggrin

    Confidence as a virtue is much needed at the big cups but stupidity is not. Wink

    We're good, don't know if we're good enough to go all the way though.

    All I know is that Italy is a third rate team nowadays, that's why I'd love to have them in our group Very Happy
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:51 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    Super Higuain wrote:
    Axe lol!
    So next year is Holland's year? Biggrin

    Confidence as a virtue is much needed at the big cups but stupidity is not. Wink

    We're good, don't know if we're good enough to go all the way though.

    All I know is that Italy is a third rate team nowadays, that's why I'd love to have them in our group Very Happy

    Unfortunately thats true.... but talent is there if Lippi goes looking for it...
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    Post by Historicus Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:55 pm

    Italy will play a 4-5-1 with 5 DMs like they always do.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:57 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    Super Higuain wrote:
    Axe lol!
    So next year is Holland's year? Biggrin

    Confidence as a virtue is much needed at the big cups but stupidity is not. Wink

    We're good, don't know if we're good enough to go all the way though.

    All I know is that Italy is a third rate team nowadays, that's why I'd love to have them in our group Very Happy
    No doubt but Italy were worse at the Euro's and even there they went as far as Holland who were playing their best football since Euro 2000, imo. But still Holland couldn't beat Rusland and looked the second best all game long. Not saying that because I dislike Holland because I was rooting for you to beat Russia but Russia outplayed Holland and it really shouldn't have been that close to be honest and im sure you know that.

    At the same time Donadoni's crap Italy met Spain, the eventual winners, and only went out on penalties after not letting "the best team in the world" get a single chance. Im not sure Holland could have managed this.
    Allthough Italy in the group stage isn't that scary, I will give you that.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:00 pm

    Historicus wrote:Italy will play a 4-5-1 with 5 DMs like they always do.
    lol!
    When Italy won the world cup their midfield consisted of
    DM 8 Gennaro Gattuso
    DM 21 Andrea Pirlo
    RM 16 Mauro Camoranesi
    LM 20 Simone Perrotta
    SS 10 Francesco Totti

    Perhaps Totti can be the new Dm next to Pirlo at the next world cup.
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:18 pm

    Super Higuain wrote:But still Holland couldn't beat Rusland and looked the second best all game long.

    You do realize that our entire team was completely demoralized by the Boulahrouz miscarriage ?

    Even then the Russians, who in that match put in the best performance of any team in the tournament, needed extra time to beat us....

    Without the miscarriage we would have won the tournament, I'm sure of that.

    Italy played three crap matches in the group and were "half" decent against Spain, who were clearly in control for the entire match.

    Since then Holland has gone on in style, while Italy has even further deteriorated.

    Yeah, I'd really pick Italy over us Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:32 pm

    Is it just me, or is it a little niave and silly to write off the opportunity to bring a player as part of his WC squad?

    He may not be in Lippi's thinking for whatever reason right now, however a surge of injuries / form would surely then create a whole new proposition.

    For an experienced manager burning bridges and closing doors seems schoolboy stuff to me.
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:34 am

    Football Genius wrote:Is it just me, or is it a little niave and silly to write off the opportunity to bring a player as part of his WC squad?

    He may not be in Lippi's thinking for whatever reason right now, however a surge of injuries / form would surely then create a whole new proposition.

    For an experienced manager burning bridges and closing doors seems schoolboy stuff to me.
    When you consider how good Cassano has been since he came back from Spain and particularly when you consider he was probably player of the season last season at the same time Italy were struggling majorly with creativity and were a complete joke at the Confed cup and he still didn't get a call then I think it is fair to say Lippi is a man of his word, however bad that word is.

    Perhaps injuries could force him but at the moment he doesn't have any creative players in the squad so there is really nobody for him to replace unless Totti is talked out of retirement.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:01 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    Super Higuain wrote:But still Holland couldn't beat Rusland and looked the second best all game long.

    You do realize that our entire team was completely demoralized by the Boulahrouz miscarriage ?

    Even then the Russians, who in that match put in the best performance of any team in the tournament, needed extra time to beat us....

    Without the miscarriage we would have won the tournament, I'm sure of that.

    Italy played three crap matches in the group and were "half" decent against Spain, who were clearly in control for the entire match.

    Since then Holland has gone on in style, while Italy has even further deteriorated.

    Yeah, I'd really pick Italy over us Rolling Eyes

    I just don't get this, have never heard anyone else using that as an excuse, terrible thing to happen as it is.

    I mean, Bacary Sagna's fucking brother died just before our second-round CL game against Milan in the San Siro the season before last and not only did the guy play, he did superbly and we pulled off a 2-0 win.

    I won't make any stupid generalizations about Dutchies, because I don't think that's what's going on here.
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    Post by fcb Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:04 pm

    Different groups handle tragedy differently. Maybe a lot of the Netherlands players were close to Boulahrouz and his wife, but Sagna isn't as close to the key Arsenal players?

    And of course, there's many other variables to compare between a club game in the CL against Milan and a national team game against Russia in Euro 2008...so we can't really say that it was solely down to the impact of each game's tragedy.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:09 pm

    Well, that's part of my point too...
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:45 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    You do realize that our entire team was completely demoralized by the Boulahrouz miscarriage ?

    Boo Hoo

    You do realise that we lost our captain to injury which completely demoralised the team.

    Even then the Russians, who in that match put in the best performance of any team in the tournament, needed extra time to beat us....

    We took Spain to penalties, and Spain>Russia.

    Without the miscarriage we would have won the tournament, I'm sure of that.

    I doubt it.

    Italy played three crap matches in the group and were "half" decent against Spain, who were clearly in control for the entire match.

    One crap match against Holland. We largely dominated Romania and France. Spain controlled possesion, but we created the 2 best chances of the game. All without Pirlo and Gattuso.

    Since then Holland has gone on in style, while Italy has even further deteriorated.

    Not really. Lippi is actually a very good tactician and he'll get it right in the summer. We have a WC winning coach and players with a winning mentality. The dutch just have a bunch of losers who are even worse at penalties than us.

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