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The biggest job in football?

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The biggest job in football?

by Tweesus Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:48 pm

Oooh! red title! king

king

Anyway,

It will likely differ for each manager, but what club manager position do you think is probably regarded as the biggest job in football?

In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

What about Barcelona? Or has a job there been devalued given that the last two managers haven't exactly been big 'management' names?

Chelsea? Man Utd? Inter? AC?

Who is it Question

Question

Man Utd might well be the answer if SAF ever leaves the place - its value undoubtedly increased by the fact that the position has been untouchable for the past twenty + years.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Jaime Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:50 pm

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Fey Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:54 pm

...FIFA boss?

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Ricardo Jol Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:56 pm

Still Barça!!!! because that's the most beautiful big club in the world. Barça es més que un club!!!!!

Only fools would like to manage Real Madrid for obvious reasons....

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Tom Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:57 pm

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

He's fucking mental.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Kimbo Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:57 pm

It's clearly Newcastle.

The biggest job in football? Freddy-Shepherd-001

The biggest job in football? Freddy-Shepherd-001

Seriously, probably Man U, whoever follows old whisky glands will have a real job on their hands. I expect whoever it is to become Chelsea's bitch.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Jaime Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:00 pm

Christmas Ballack wrote:

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

He's fucking mental.

Calderon isn't president any more.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Tweesus Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:00 pm

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

That whoever is president doesn't seem capable of giving a manager 'time'

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Jaime Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:03 pm

Tweesus wrote:

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

That whoever is president doesn't seem capable of giving a manager 'time'

It's been like that for ages. So you if you say in the 'near' past it was great then it's not really any different now. Maybe if you go back to the 60s when Munoz was manager but other than that nobody has had the post for more than 2-3 years as long as I can remember.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Tweesus Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:06 pm

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

That whoever is president doesn't seem capable of giving a manager 'time'

It's been like that for ages. So you if you say in the 'near' past it was great then it's not really any different now. Maybe if you go back to the 60s when Munoz was manager but other than that nobody has had the post for more than 2-3 years as long as I can remember.

In my head the 'near past' was Del Bosque and previous.

It may well still be THE most desirable job in football, but I suspect other clubs could present a better arguement for why it might be their club. Personally, I think jobs at Barca, Chelsea and Man Utd might all rank higher.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Guest Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:24 pm

its between barca and madrid, they are the two biggest names in the footballing world.

then comes man utd and milan.

and the rest come after those 4

don't think many top managers could be interested in coaching chelsea, if roman and his billions left.

but if those four were to hit hard times, they could still attract the best managers in the game, with just their name and the fact that managers would love to opportunity to bring them back to the big times.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Calidad Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

In terms of football probably Brazil...in terms of club management Madrid probably, or due to Sir Alex's legacy, possibly Utd.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Jaime Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:19 pm

Tweesus wrote:

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

That whoever is president doesn't seem capable of giving a manager 'time'

It's been like that for ages. So you if you say in the 'near' past it was great then it's not really any different now. Maybe if you go back to the 60s when Munoz was manager but other than that nobody has had the post for more than 2-3 years as long as I can remember.

In my head the 'near past' was Del Bosque and previous.

It may well still be THE most desirable job in football, but I suspect other clubs could present a better arguement for why it might be their club. Personally, I think jobs at Barca, Chelsea and Man Utd might all rank higher.

Well, I see what you are saying but Del Bosque was only there for three full seasons. Immediately before that Toshack, Hiddink, Heynckes, and Valdano were all in charge for less than two years. It's the nature of the club and of Spanish football in general.

I still don't think Chelsea have the same glamour, not having won the Champions League.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Romford Pele Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:22 pm

I don't think Chelsea will ever have the glamour....

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by fcb Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:25 am

I don't think there's a single answer, because how "big" a job is depends on the individual circumstances of the people that would be interested in it, and the circumstances of that club/country at the time.

But IMO there's definitely a clear group of 5 which have the most prestige: Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan. Then comes a 2nd level which would feature Liverpool, Arsenal, Inter, Juventus, Manchester City because of the money you could spend, and arguably Bayern Munich.

At international level, the biggest countries usually only appoint managers from their own country, with the exception of England. So I'd say that's probably the biggest job...but if you were Brazilian, Argentinian, German, or Italian...being head coach of this international "big 4" would be quite a prestigious positioon too.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Torrente Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:39 am

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Santi Claus wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In the near past it might well have been Real Madrid - but the position has been massivley devalued given the presidential issues there.

Which are?

That whoever is president doesn't seem capable of giving a manager 'time'

It's been like that for ages. So you if you say in the 'near' past it was great then it's not really any different now. Maybe if you go back to the 60s when Munoz was manager but other than that nobody has had the post for more than 2-3 years as long as I can remember.

In my head the 'near past' was Del Bosque and previous.

It may well still be THE most desirable job in football, but I suspect other clubs could present a better arguement for why it might be their club. Personally, I think jobs at Barca, Chelsea and Man Utd might all rank higher.

Well, I see what you are saying but Del Bosque was only there for three full seasons. Immediately before that Toshack, Hiddink, Heynckes, and Valdano were all in charge for less than two years. It's the nature of the club and of Spanish football in general.

I still don't think Chelsea have the same glamour, not having won the Champions League.

Even during Madrid's 5 consecutive European Cup wins in the 50s the club changed coaches 3 or 4 times, and in la Quinta Del Buitre in the 80s the club had 3 different coaches.

In Real Madrid it's always been a lot more about the players and the team rather than about the coach, for better or worse.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by bluenine Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:46 am

kas wrote:I don't think there's a single answer, because how "big" a job is depends on the individual circumstances of the people that would be interested in it, and the circumstances of that club/country at the time.

But IMO there's definitely a clear group of 5 which have the most prestige: Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan. Then comes a 2nd level which would feature Liverpool, Arsenal, Inter, Juventus, Manchester City because of the money you could spend, and arguably Bayern Munich.

At international level, the biggest countries usually only appoint managers from their own country, with the exception of England. So I'd say that's probably the biggest job...but if you were Brazilian, Argentinian, German, or Italian...being head coach of this international "big 4" would be quite a prestigious positioon too.

I wonder why you think the Chelsea job is more prestigious than Liverpool, while the Milan job is more prestigious than Inter?

Anyways, can't say which is the biggest, but the Inter coach job comes with one fo the highest pressure. The media will gun for you, specially berlu's pets. The fans are one of the most demanding, and quick to judge. The president overrules you often, and is known to be a bit fickle. There is a history of big ego's among players, fostered by the partonage of the president. Its not easy. You have to be a bit thick skinned, a bit of an arrogant prick to do this job.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by fcb Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:59 am

Perhaps prestige would be the wrong word to use...glamorous is probably more what I had in mind: Chelsea over Liverpool because of the money you can spend

Milan over Inter because of its reputation as a "bigger" club, esp. in Europe. I know that this reputation is based on past events and is gradually changing to favour Inter, but as of this moment I still think Milan would be more attractive to most managers. But then again, Inter does have more money. Fine, let's call it even and put both of them in my "top level". Happy? Smile

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Kroos Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:09 am

hmm bayern can spend more money then liverpool and arseanl together, and arseanl dont have a history, they have Wenger who made the club big, when weger leaves this club will be done Wink

Wink

so i dont understand this arguably

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by L r dd Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:13 am

1. Man Utd....History, prestige, Money and the fact it's the first time in yeah a long time.

2. Barca - Just think it has so much attached to it.

3. Milan - History and a lot of other factors.

4. Real Madrid- Even 4 is probably to high, just to many guys get a chance at managing Madrid, it's lost a lot of value. People already talk about possible next managers when the new one is doing well, that doesn't happen at many other clubs.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Kroos Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:14 am

manu is a little bit overrated, they even cant attract world class players

they only make world class players, thas a good thing though

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by L r dd Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:18 am

Özil wrote:manu is a little bit overrated, they even cant attract world class players

they only make world class players, thas a good thing though

Depends how you view it. This isnt about who can attract so and so player, and with foreign restrictions and tax reasons certain things will always be more difficult, so for example losing players in a bidding war with Madrid wouldn't be a great surprise. But who cant Manu attract?

Maybe you consider Robben WC...you think he wouldn't have joined ManUtd? Eto'o was begging for a move...Dinho was going to join until Kenyon effed it up. Veron and Ruud did and neither worked out. Any English or British player bar Gerrard for obvious reasons is more than gettable for Man Utd also.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Kroos Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:36 am

who cant manu attract:

ribery
xavi
iniesta
eto
ibramihimwitsch
kaka
dinho
and and and

Rolling Eyes

Rolling Eyes

to attract all british player is not hard, when you are the most successful club in UK

they spend tons of money for valencia instead of a real improvement

to become the follower of Ferguson must be a scary job, i dont think that many will be good enough for this job, so when i think about it i can agree with you

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:40 am

L r dd wrote:1. Man Utd....History, prestige, Money and the fact it's the first time in yeah a long time.

Very Happy

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Kroos Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:42 am

Glenn the Christmas Hysén wrote:

L r dd wrote:1. Man Utd....History, prestige, Debts and the fact it's the first time in yeah a long time.

Ale

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by L r dd Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:47 am

Özil wrote:who cant manu attract:

ribery
xavi
iniesta
eto
ibramihimwitsch
kaka
dinho
and and and

to attract all british player is not hard, when you are the most successful club in UK

they spend tons of money into valencia instead of a real improvement

to become the follower of Ferguson must be a scary job, i dont think that many will be good enough for this job, so when i think about it i can agree with you

Well like i said Dinho wanted to come to Man Utd, we just didn't agree a fee with PSG.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2935890.stm

Eto'o wanted to come to Man Utd, we didn't want him.

Ribery? why not. He would come if we agreed a fee IMO..which i hope we do not.

Xavi also were strong rumours before he became amazing again about a move to Man Utd it never worked out no idea on his views though. Ibrah IMO prolly would if we agreed a fee...big Man Utd support in sweden.

Kaka no idea like Messi maybe he's just out of reach, but considering he considered Man City..i think he might Man Utd.

Like i say we could lose out to Barca or Madrid for whatever reason in going for a player....but im sure we could attract whoever just rarely go for them. Prefer to buy young potential WC.

Valencia like Berbatov was a prem player Fergie rated...it's worked for him for the last 15+ years so that's why he chooses them over others sometimes.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by L r dd Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:49 am

Özil wrote:

Glenn the Christmas Hysén wrote:

L r dd wrote:1. Man Utd....History, prestige, Debts and the fact it's the first time in yeah a long time.

As Glenn often poiints out, we spend a lot of cash most seasons. Huge profit every year, so there will always be cash to splash even while in huge debt...

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:54 am

I expect any new Man Utd manager under the current regime will have to sell to buy, and they don't have any real saleable assets aside from Rooney.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by L r dd Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:01 am

Unlikely. And you say that but we could prolly fetch 50 mill for Berbatov, Nani, and a few kids...the guy at watford and cathcart or someone. And most wouldn't notice anyone's left.

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Re: The biggest job in football?

by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:14 am

Very Happy

you would be extremely fortunate to get back half of what you paid for Nani and Berbatov, one is a massive flop and the other is a massive flop pushing 30. I don't see many of your kids commanding a decent fee, not unless Ipswich get promoted.

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