Roberto Mancini

Is there?

Discuss.

Wenger?

At least Wenger has the excuse of always having to sell his best players.

Jaime wrote:At least Wenger has the excuse of always having to sell his best players.

That hasn't stopped Porto, has it? And if you think about it, before Henry left Arsenal were not really a selling club and Wenger had countless attempts

Basically, this argument is flawed.

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:At least Wenger has the excuse of always having to sell his best players.

That hasn't stopped Porto, has it? And if you think about it, before Henry left Arsenal were not really a selling club and Wenger had countless attempts

Basically, this argument is flawed.

Arsenal have been a selling club since Anelka. Even if they won't admit it.

Koeman at Valencia He was so bad there it cancels out everything else he did well before and since and establishes him as the worst manager ever!

He is a proven flop in UEFA club competitions with Fiorentina,Lazio,Inter and Man City.With the world's richest club he couldn't even make the QF of the Europa League,when Inter,AC and juventus were playing CL QF's,his Lazio team finished bottom of the group,need I say more?

He has identified the problem (Barry/Lescott), but he hasn't resolved it with Nastacic/Javi Garcia.

To a certain extent. He seems to have a desire to play three at the back. There's nothing wrong with this per se but I don't think he has the personnel to do this well, whether it's nastacic or Lescott. Their wide players required for that role are quite average really - Clichy/Kolorov, Milner, Zabaleta. Not the type of plays you'd want to rely on the provide creativity done the flanks.

And as you said, the squad has been changed quite a bit, but with no huge gain. Sinclair/Adam Johnson is another example of that.

I think he is a woeful coach, but that has more to do with his philosophy. On the other hand, yes, I know his squad is really expensive. But im sorry, players like Rodwell, Barry, Milner etc arent that good.

The most shocking thing for me was that their stadium wasnt even sold out. Against the champs of Krautistan FFS. I guess this is how it feels to be city..

Mancini was in charge of the Inter side we brushed away with relative ease home and away in 2008. His teams have little guile in Europe and don't play with the required tempo and tactical awareness you need to go far in the competition.

I'm struggling to see why the signings of Rodwell or Sinclair were made other than to say 'fuck you, we have money and we're going to spend it on any old mediocrity.'

It really is strikingly similar to when Chelsea bought Steve Sidwell and Ben Haim.

Wenger is definitely not worse than Mancio. He has his issues for sure but he's proven himself to be a good, consistent performer over the last decade or so. And i'm sure Mancio can't find and polish players like Le Boss does.

Arsenal's CL record isn't terrible. They tend to get out of the groups each season. Made the final 6 years ago. I don't remember a Mancini side threatening to do that in his long tenure in the CL.

He really just ain't all that.

Disco Benny wrote:Arsenal's CL record isn't terrible. They tend to get out of the groups each season. Made the final 6 years ago. I don't remember a Mancini side threatening to do that in his long tenure in the CL.

He really just ain't all that.

Difference is that Wenger's Arsenal have been in the CL every season since 98/99. And back then in the early days they were dropping out in the group stages.

In fact Mancini has only failed to get out of the group stage twice (last season, and 03/04 with Lazio), the same amount of times as Wenger. However, i do accept that the 2 times Mancini's sides got KOed from the group stages, he should have qualified. On paper, his sides were the 2nd best in the group (at least).

Hlebagone wrote:To a certain extent. He seems to have a desire to play three at the back. There's nothing wrong with this per se but I don't think he has the personnel to do this well, whether it's nastacic or Lescott. Their wide players required for that role are quite average really - Clichy/Kolorov, Milner, Zabaleta. Not the type of plays you'd want to rely on the provide creativity done the flanks.

And as you said, the squad has been changed quite a bit, but with no huge gain. Sinclair/Adam Johnson is another example of that.

Shouldn't he be in theory at least a perfect candidate for 3man backline - as he can easily switch (or could do it a few years back) between playing CB and LB? But I understand it lack of tactical knowledge of playing in this kind of backline is an issue here.

And I don't think you need a creativity from your wingbacks, you need motor and good delivery - it's actually (again - in theory) a system where Kolarov should feel very comfortable. Clichy is a horrible choice for this role though and Zabaleta/Milner are average for this at best.

stinger wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:To a certain extent. He seems to have a desire to play three at the back. There's nothing wrong with this per se but I don't think he has the personnel to do this well, whether it's nastacic or Lescott. Their wide players required for that role are quite average really - Clichy/Kolorov, Milner, Zabaleta. Not the type of plays you'd want to rely on the provide creativity done the flanks.

And as you said, the squad has been changed quite a bit, but with no huge gain. Sinclair/Adam Johnson is another example of that.

Shouldn't he be in theory at least a perfect candidate for 3man backline - as he can easily switch (or could do it a few years back) between playing CB and LB? But I understand it lack of tactical knowledge of playing in this kind of backline is an issue here.

And I don't think you need a creativity from your wingbacks, you need motor and good delivery - it's actually (again - in theory) a system where Kolarov should feel very comfortable. Clichy is a horrible choice for this role though and Zabaleta/Milner are average for this at best.

Maybe if Maicon decides he wants to play football again, Mancio will have his 3 man formation, with Maicon and Kolarov as wingbacks. At least in theory, that could work.

Mancini is the worst coach on the planet!

Fey wrote:Mancini is the worst coach on the planet!

That's what I've been trying to say!!!

Jaime wrote:

Fey wrote:Mancini is the worst coach on the planet!

That's what I've been trying to say!!!

And what preparation did Mancini have before getting top level coaching jobs?

If Mancini was a coach in La Liga and had spent as much money as he has he'd of been long gone by now. In the Premier League you get a bit more time.

Again I ask, what the hell was he thinking signing Rodwell and Sinclair?

Quota?

Mancini as a manager = Flat track bully. Pierre called this years back when he was at Inter, something along the lines of he can use his superior squad/resources to bludgeon the weaker teams domestically over the course of the year but lacks the attention to detail & calmness to make critical moves within games against high-quality opposition.

Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini believes it is spirit, not tactics, that provide success in the Champions League.

"If you have spirit you have quality to play Champions League. If not, you can't," says Mancini. "This is the problem. It is not important, the tactics. When you play this game you should have good spirit."

Good lord, he's the Italian Redknapp

At least 'Arry's message to his team was to go out gung ho and try to play to entertain.

Frankly, find it astonishing that Mancini first admits he didn't prepare his team, and now rubbishes the importance of tactics.

If his name were Sam Allardyce he'd get flayed for his archaic short sightedness

Somewhere, Rafa Benitez is crying into his plate of paella.

Luis wrote:Somewhere, Rafa Benitez is crying into his plate of paella.

He probably does that every time he compares his record at Inter to Mancini's. Mancini is a joke in europe, but come on....

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Somewhere, Rafa Benitez is crying into his plate of paella.

He probably does that every time he compares his record at Inter to Mancini's. Mancini is a joke in europe, but come on....

His record in Europe at Inter, the one that lasted 3 months or something?

Is this really the best you can do

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Somewhere, Rafa Benitez is crying into his plate of paella.

He probably does that every time he compares his record at Inter to Mancini's. Mancini is a joke in europe, but come on....

His record in Europe at Inter, the one that lasted 3 months or something?

Is this really the best you can do

I was referring to their league records. Why did Rafa only last a few months? Remind me.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Somewhere, Rafa Benitez is crying into his plate of paella.

He probably does that every time he compares his record at Inter to Mancini's. Mancini is a joke in europe, but come on....

His record in Europe at Inter, the one that lasted 3 months or something?

Is this really the best you can do

I was referring to their league records. Why did Rafa only last a few months? Remind me.

Because he didn't do very well there after Mourinho set the bar ridiculously high.

Some managers do well at some clubs like Rafa at Valencia and Liverpool but fail in others when not given a long term chance.

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Somewhere, Rafa Benitez is crying into his plate of paella.

He probably does that every time he compares his record at Inter to Mancini's. Mancini is a joke in europe, but come on....

His record in Europe at Inter, the one that lasted 3 months or something?

Is this really the best you can do

I was referring to their league records. Why did Rafa only last a few months? Remind me.

Because he didn't do very well there after Mourinho set the bar ridiculously high.

Some managers do well at some clubs like Rafa at Valencia and Liverpool but fail in others when not given a long term chance.

Debatable.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:Somewhere, Rafa Benitez is crying into his plate of paella.

He probably does that every time he compares his record at Inter to Mancini's. Mancini is a joke in europe, but come on....

His record in Europe at Inter, the one that lasted 3 months or something?

Is this really the best you can do

I was referring to their league records. Why did Rafa only last a few months? Remind me.

Because he didn't do very well there after Mourinho set the bar ridiculously high.

Some managers do well at some clubs like Rafa at Valencia and Liverpool but fail in others when not given a long term chance.

Debatable.

1 European Cup
1 FA cup
A super cup
Another European final appearance
Best points total ever and 4 points from winning the league

Very debatable