La Liga Top Goalscorers

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:no not really... RVN wouldn't have made it if it wasn't for Capello's style. Kanouté is probably a fluke... I serousily doub that he will score that much next season. Sevilla would do very well if they could sell him back to the EPL..

S America and la Segunda will continue to be the main target ground for Spanish teams.

It seems that the EPL strikers are quite adaptable to la liga though - none in recent times have gone there and underachieved

Tweedle wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:no not really... RVN wouldn't have made it if it wasn't for Capello's style. Kanouté is probably a fluke... I serousily doub that he will score that much next season. Sevilla would do very well if they could sell him back to the EPL..

S America and la Segunda will continue to be the main target ground for Spanish teams.

It seems that the EPL strikers are quite adaptable to la liga though - none in recent times have gone there and underachieved

Owen underachieved.. he might have scored a lot of goals but never managed to break into the starting XI.. Any other players you are thinking about?

I have no doubt that Henry, RVP, Drogba would do very well.. but the rest I am not so sure about..

Plus your strikers are massively expensive.. It doesn't make sense paying 20-30 mill for a striker when you can get almost the same quality in South America or Spain for half the amount..

Owen didn't underachieve. Back then players were picked on their name - Madrid were hardly going to drop one of Ronaldo or Raul for him.

Other players: Sinama Pongolle, even Wanchope did a decent job

Tweedle wrote:Owen didn't underachieve. Back then players were picked on their name - Madrid were hardly going to drop one of Ronaldo or Raul for him.

Other players: Sinama Pongolle, even Wanchope did a decent job

Owen pulled a "Saviola" meaning that he got goals, but that the attack as a whole generally broke down when he was the reference point...
Sinama suits La Liga.. just like Verón suited serie A but not the EPL.. I have no doubt that top players will make it everywhere, but I just don't see Spanish teams seriousely wanting to sign players from the EPL because it simply isn't value for money...

Well in contrast Morientes was tripe for Liverpool. Dario Silva was useless for Pompey

Can't really think of any La liga strikers that have been successes in the EPL to be honest

Tweedle wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:no not really... RVN wouldn't have made it if it wasn't for Capello's style. Kanouté is probably a fluke... I serousily doub that he will score that much next season. Sevilla would do very well if they could sell him back to the EPL..

S America and la Segunda will continue to be the main target ground for Spanish teams.

It seems that the EPL strikers are quite adaptable to la liga though - none in recent times have gone there and underachieved

I think most strikers adapt to la liga pretty well because a) opposition defenses are not nearly as stingy as in Serie A, for example b) the play is not nearly as physical as in EPL, for example.

Jaime wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:no not really... RVN wouldn't have made it if it wasn't for Capello's style. Kanouté is probably a fluke... I serousily doub that he will score that much next season. Sevilla would do very well if they could sell him back to the EPL..

S America and la Segunda will continue to be the main target ground for Spanish teams.

It seems that the EPL strikers are quite adaptable to la liga though - none in recent times have gone there and underachieved

I think most strikers adapt to la liga pretty well because a) opposition defenses are not nearly as stingy as in Serie A, for example b) the play is not nearly as physical as in EPL, for example.

Good point.

Whilst alot of midfielders may struggle because they are behind in technique.

I can't think of any big name striker who has come and not scored a lot of goals.

Someone mentioned this on Real Madrid TV:

In La Liga, the strikers have more time on the ball, to make a decision compared to the EPL.

Maybe it's because they get better service in the Spanish League?

Gomes is 21 and Alves 26.

Batman wrote:Someone mentioned this on Real Madrid TV:

In La Liga, the strikers have more time on the ball, to make a decision compared to the EPL.

But you get way less chances in La Liga than in the EPL, at least that's what Ruud has said.

Axeslammer wrote:

Batman wrote:Someone mentioned this on Real Madrid TV:

In La Liga, the strikers have more time on the ball, to make a decision compared to the EPL.

But you get way less chances in La Liga than in the EPL, at least that's what Ruud has said.

No offence to Ruud, but he could be saying that make his record sound better.

Because RM played so bad perhaps , thats he didnt get too many chances specially at the start of the season.

There is definitely more space for strikers to operate in.

Axeslammer wrote:

Batman wrote:Someone mentioned this on Real Madrid TV:

In La Liga, the strikers have more time on the ball, to make a decision compared to the EPL.

But you get way less chances in La Liga than in the EPL, at least that's what Ruud has said.

or he could mean this Real Madrid team is not as good as the one that had Zidane and Figo.

Parks lives wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Batman wrote:Someone mentioned this on Real Madrid TV:

In La Liga, the strikers have more time on the ball, to make a decision compared to the EPL.

But you get way less chances in La Liga than in the EPL, at least that's what Ruud has said.

No offence to Ruud, but he could be saying that make his record sound better.

I think what Ruud had to adjust to was not receiving as much service from the wings. In the second half of the season Ruud has learned to look for the diagonal through pass and to make that kind of run in behind the defence (e.g. his goal against Sevilla: http://realmadrid.pl/gole/070506_Sevilla%5B3-2%5D-van_Nistelrooy.wmv).

In addition, Real Madrid have been sh!t for 75% of the season which didn't help his cause.

Tweedle wrote:Owen didn't underachieve. Back then players were picked on their name - Madrid were hardly going to drop one of Ronaldo or Raul for him.

Other players: Sinama Pongolle, even Wanchope did a decent job

that was exactly what happened. figo got dropped to make room for owen and figo left afterwards. owen got goals and that is it. he couldnt do anything else and made our generel play worse. i dont see it as a flop or a good season.

So pretty similar to Nistlerooy then but wioth fewer starting opportunities

Tweedle wrote:So pretty similar to Nistlerooy then but wioth fewer starting opportunities

you could say but not really because nistelrooy can hold up the ball and gives us a chance to cross. also nistelrooy has improved his dribbling much and he now often goes out to the wings and dribbles. also he can make some fine passes aswell at times(against bayern to Raul). i would always prefer a more complete striker then nistelrooy but he has been better then owen.

RVN can do a bit more than Owen though. Ruud might have slowed down a bit, but he still contributes in the build up. Owen doesn't/can't. And Ruud's not a cripple.

Owen, Ronaldo and Inzaghi are very similar. They do f*ck all but score. And Inzaghi is still a hair faster than Owen I reckon. And Ronaldo can get past his man better. Hence I prefer Inzaghi over Owen. And Ronaldo of the three.

So you're genuinely calling someone that cost £6m and scored 13 goals moslty as a sub a 'flop'?

DD wrote:RVN can do a bit more than Owen though. Ruud might have slowed down a bit, but he still contributes in the build up. Owen doesn't/can't. And Ruud's not a cripple.

Owen, Ronaldo and Inzaghi are very similar. They do f*ck all but score. And Inzaghi is still a hair faster than Owen I reckon. And Ronaldo can get past his man better. Hence I prefer Inzaghi over Owen. And Ronaldo of the three.

ronaldo is a complete attacker. he can make alot of good passes if he wants too and if he is fit. Fit being the keyword. ronaldo in much of the time where he were lost saved our ass.he was just injuried and the hole weight thing meant little.

OK OK. An unfit Ronaldo then, which is basicly all the time.

You know I meant that.

DD wrote:OK OK. An unfit Ronaldo then, which is basicly all the time.

You know I meant that.

no you misunderstand me. when i mean fit i mean not injuried and has had a couple of games to get in a match rythm. then you cant stop him. it is just the media who went after him even when he had maybe only gotten a couple of games after a injurie. he never had any stable time because everytime he was getting fit from a injury and a rythm he got injuried again after a couple of games.

want proof. this is a clip from last season at a time where he got the most stick ever. this game he had finally gotten a couple of games to get into a match rythm and he was great and made this great run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqK_-wrQrt8

Axeslammer wrote:

Batman wrote:Someone mentioned this on Real Madrid TV:

In La Liga, the strikers have more time on the ball, to make a decision compared to the EPL.

But you get way less chances in La Liga than in the EPL, at least that's what Ruud has said.

that's because he was isolated alone upfront for large parts of the season.

I think i heard Wim kieft say Ruud hired a special trainer to help improve his technique a year or two ago( don't know how reliable was his source), and i have to say i have seen huge improvements in Ruud's technique over the past year; he does things now i never thought he was capable of.

Whoever said u get more time and space to play in la liga is right. If u compare la liga to the other big leagues i'd say It's the easiest for strikers to play in but the hardest for defenders because the get more exposed on one v one.

Agooner wrote:

I think i heard Wim kieft say Ruud hired a special trainer to help improve his technique a year or two ago( don't know how reliable was his source), and i have to say i have seen huge improvements in Ruud's technique over the past year; he does things now i never thought he was capable of.

He's doing the things again he also used to do at PSV.

He was doing that the first few seasons at United as well to be fair.

The goals vs Fulham and Arsenal?

Axeslammer wrote:

Agooner wrote:

I think i heard Wim kieft say Ruud hired a special trainer to help improve his technique a year or two ago( don't know how reliable was his source), and i have to say i have seen huge improvements in Ruud's technique over the past year; he does things now i never thought he was capable of.

He's doing the things again he also used to do at PSV.

yeah when i saw him in his last season for psv i saw a bit from him because he was supposed to go to man utd but he seemed like a drbbling striker. at man utd i didnt see much of that. that might have been because of the system they had.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Agooner wrote:

I think i heard Wim kieft say Ruud hired a special trainer to help improve his technique a year or two ago( don't know how reliable was his source), and i have to say i have seen huge improvements in Ruud's technique over the past year; he does things now i never thought he was capable of.

He's doing the things again he also used to do at PSV.

yeah when i saw him in his last season for psv i saw a bit from him because he was supposed to go to man utd but he seemed like a drbbling striker. at man utd i didnt see much of that. that might have been because of the system they had.

Limited Poacher Galore :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfPWY9OdU4

the one from way outside the box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjPjD8cglr8

is at PSV of course, SAF didn't allow that kind of thing

Dribbling for PSV against Ajax :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFrNIANDhys