Villarreal V Fiorentina

So, I got laughed at earlier on in the season for comparing the two clubs, but who will have the better season?

Both look set to qualify from their UEFA cup group and both have started the season relatively well, especially Villarreal, although results haven't been going their way recently.

why did you get laughed at Tweedle?

Because apparently fiorentina are better.

This is ridiculous. Just because villareal have had a good start to their season does not mean they are better than Fiorentina. Why don't you compare whether Villareal will have a better season than Chelsea or not? Stick to the things you have a clue about, dude. Because clearly you have no idea of Italy and Serie A. I bet you did not even see the game when Fiorentina played Villareal this season.

You are very diplomatic with your disdain for Fiorentina, but your italiaphobic tendencies can be easily seen through. Fiorentina are a big club in Italy with a great history. We have finsihed in the top 4 in Italy last 2 seasons, and will most likely do so again. And unlike your EPL, Serie A has more than 4 serious competitors who know how to play football.

Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:So, I got laughed at earlier on in the season for comparing the two clubs, but who will have the better season?

Both look set to qualify from their UEFA cup group and both have started the season relatively well, especially Villarreal, although results haven't been going their way recently.

You tell 'em Viola!
To be fair though, he hasn't actually said Villarreal are better than Fiorentina in this thread... don't know if he did in a previous one, but he hasn't in this one.

I wouldn't say they have a simliar standing in terms of following, Fiorentina in that sense I believe is a much bigger club, but considering recent results... they've been fairly close... with Villarreal doing better in Europe having reached the Semi-Finals of the CL.

Overall I'd say Fiorentina is the bigger club, but that's not being questioned here... the current season is.

Fiorentina are the bigger club and will get a champions league spot, Villarreal will not.

Black Magic wrote:Fiorentina are the bigger club and will get a champions league spot, Villarreal will not.

What makes you say that? Villarreal certainly have a chance of a CL spot this year...

Re. the original topic, I think it's obvious that Tweedle is talking about now, not history. In the past few years Villarreal's achievements and playing staff has been on par with Fiorentina IMO. Ok, Fiorentina have the more consistent league finishes, but Villarreal have done better in Europe by reaching the CL semis in 2006.

Real Madrid
Barcelona
Valencia - they'll get out of their slump, not too far behind the leaders either.
Atletico/Sevilla

Sevilla will continue to have mixed results as long as their involvement in the CL continues...it's bizarre, but seems to affect the "4th" team in La Liga every season whenever they qualify for Europe.

Atletico and Valencia may be favourites on paper, but the former can historically never be counted on to live up to their billing, and the latter are going through a serious crisis.

Real Madrid
Barcelona
Valencia
Atletico/Sevilla

kas wrote:Sevilla will continue to have mixed results as long as their involvement in the CL continues...it's bizarre, but seems to affect the "4th" team in La Liga every season whenever they qualify for Europe.

i agree with your seniments but they finished 3rd, but its affected the 4th team too this season

Valencia's problems this season are not just due to the CL IMO...there's too many other things going on there, mainly a squad that's not really united, drastically underperforming players, lack of quality in defense, and fans/management that has never been 100% behind the team since the start of the season. First there were the demands on Quique, and now just plain disillusionment with Koeman.

But I referred to Sevilla as the "4th" team since they joined the club of teams who always rotate CL participation from year to year. Betis, Villarreal, Osasuna, Sevilla...this year it may finally be Atletico.

hopefully, but then we'll need another mass spending spree to avoid the probs the others have had.

He is just winding you up, and looks like its working Tweedy is a well known WUM, specially when it comes to Italian football. Now that you have reacted, he will act very innocent and victimised

Just ignore his posts on Italian football. Thats what most Italian posters here do now.

Gigliati wrote:This is ridiculous. Just because villareal have had a good start to their season does not mean they are better than Fiorentina. Why don't you compare whether Villareal will have a better season than Chelsea or not? Stick to the things you have a clue about, dude. Because clearly you have no idea of Italy and Serie A. I bet you did not even see the game when Fiorentina played Villareal this season.

You are very diplomatic with your disdain for Fiorentina, but your italiaphobic tendencies can be easily seen through. Fiorentina are a big club in Italy with a great history. We have finsihed in the top 4 in Italy last 2 seasons, and will most likely do so again. And unlike your EPL, Serie A has more than 4 serious competitors who know how to play football.

Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:So, I got laughed at earlier on in the season for comparing the two clubs, but who will have the better season?

Both look set to qualify from their UEFA cup group and both have started the season relatively well, especially Villarreal, although results haven't been going their way recently.

This Tweedle guy keeps mocking Fiorentina in the past - just look at his signature, obviously he has some deep psychological issues with Fiorentina. Why else would anyone have a signature like that? He is being very diplomatic on this thread. But make no mistake, he is most likely trying to get back at me for exposing his lack of knowledge on Fiorentina before. Else why did he wait till Fiorentina had a few slip ups to start this again?

No disrespect to Villareal, but why compare just these two clubs? Why not compare Villareal and Liverpool this season, for example?

Luso wrote:You tell 'em Viola!
To be fair though, he hasn't actually said Villarreal are better than Fiorentina in this thread... don't know if he did in a previous one, but he hasn't in this one.

I wouldn't say they have a simliar standing in terms of following, Fiorentina in that sense I believe is a much bigger club, but considering recent results... they've been fairly close... with Villarreal doing better in Europe having reached the Semi-Finals of the CL.

Overall I'd say Fiorentina is the bigger club, but that's not being questioned here... the current season is.

Gigliati wrote:This Tweedle guy keeps mocking Fiorentina in the past - just look at his signature, obviously he has some deep psychological issues with Fiorentina. Why else would anyone have a signature like that? He is being very diplomatic on this thread. But make no mistake, he is most likely trying to get back at me for exposing his lack of knowledge on Fiorentina before. Else why did he wait till Fiorentina had a few slip ups to start this again?

No disrespect to Villareal, but why compare just these two clubs? Why not compare Villareal and Liverpool this season, for example?

Luso wrote:You tell 'em Viola!
To be fair though, he hasn't actually said Villarreal are better than Fiorentina in this thread... don't know if he did in a previous one, but he hasn't in this one.

I wouldn't say they have a simliar standing in terms of following, Fiorentina in that sense I believe is a much bigger club, but considering recent results... they've been fairly close... with Villarreal doing better in Europe having reached the Semi-Finals of the CL.

Overall I'd say Fiorentina is the bigger club, but that's not being questioned here... the current season is.

What has Liverpool got to do here , Liverpool are the most succesful club in the history of English football with 18 titles while Fiorentina has won what 2 titles and the last one 40 yrs ago was it no disrespect.

Though Tweed was wrong to compare Villarreal with Fiorentina originally.

Gigliati wrote:last 2 seasons, and will most likely do so again. And unlike your EPL, Serie A has more than 4 serious competitors who know how to play football.

You criticise me for having issues yet you say this

Anyway, I don't have issues with Fiorentina per se, in fact I was supporting them last weekend!

And bluenine isn't right about my views about ALL things Serie A - I just hate the fascist clubs. I'm a big fan of clubs like Udinese, Livorno and Reggina though.

I think its just an interesting comparison though, especially with both teams in the same UEFA cup group.

Dark Savante wrote:Though Tweed was wrong to compare Villarreal with Fiorentina originally.

Why? Their both in the same UEFA group...

Sure, Fiorentina have had more recent success in the keague than Villarreal, but I've already said that I believe this to have been a consequence of Villarreal's European commitments.

History comes into it with history comes mentality there is a difference between someone who been there and done it all and those who are rookies at that stage , its kind of mindset too like even Blacburn or Pompey would be in the CL spot you would expect any of the top 4 to beat them and acheive that position , its not only the mentality of the neutrals its also the mindset of the club itself , getting a point against a top 4 is a good scrap while a defeated is nothing which is wrong but it happens.

That was the only point I was making. Thank you.

Dark Savante wrote:Though Tweed was wrong to compare Villarreal with Fiorentina originally.

imho over the last few years these clubs have been of similar standing, not really going to challenge for the title for the whole season but will be close to top 4 at the end of it, last season villarreal started v badly but were prob the form team ofthe 2nd half and eventually sneaked 6th on the last day. for the italians to suggest that fiorentina are way better than villarreal demonstrates imho a lack of knowledge of la liga. how long the yellow submarine can maintain this level of consistancy though given the size of the club and town is another matter, but at the mo its v close

Gigliati wrote:That was the only point I was making. Thank you.

Dark Savante wrote:Though Tweed was wrong to compare Villarreal with Fiorentina originally.

Why exactly? Because Fiorentina are better?

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:imho over the last few years these clubs have been of similar standing, not really going to challenge for the title for the whole season but will be close to top 4 at the end of it, last season villarreal started v badly but were prob the form team ofthe 2nd half and eventually sneaked 6th on the last day. for the italians to suggest that fiorentina are way better than villarreal demonstrates imho a lack of knowledge of la liga. how long the yellow submarine can maintain this level of consistancy though given the size of the club and town is another matter, but at the mo its v close

Have faith mate - G Rossi.

Mr Tavern, answer me this:

1. What is so similar about the two clubs to merit a comparison in the first place?

2. You are wrong. Fiorentina have not been at the threshold of top 4 in the last 2 seasons. Fiorentina have done even better than Roma in Serie A, which is the second best club in these 2 years (we won 147 points to Roma's 144). However, we have been penalised. Otherwise we would have played CL the last 2 seasons by finishing 4th and 3rd without the penalties. In Italy, based on domestic performances, there has been negligible difference between Fiorentina, Milan and Roma since Prandelli took over. Only Inter have been clearly better.

I mean no disrespect to Villareal. But purely based on our Serie A performances and standing, and comparing them to Villareal's domestic performances, we have done much better. Just to compare, Villareal got 123 points in La Liga in these 2 seasons, and finished 7th and 5th.

They did play well in europe, but we cannot really compare that because Fiorentina were not allowed to. However we did play them this season at their home, and I think we looked the better team in that draw.

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:imho over the last few years these clubs have been of similar standing, not really going to challenge for the title for the whole season but will be close to top 4 at the end of it, last season villarreal started v badly but were prob the form team ofthe 2nd half and eventually sneaked 6th on the last day. for the italians to suggest that fiorentina are way better than villarreal demonstrates imho a lack of knowledge of la liga. how long the yellow submarine can maintain this level of consistancy though given the size of the club and town is another matter, but at the mo its v close

Now we are facists? Blue is right. It is pointless to discuss with you.

Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:
You criticise me for having issues yet you say this

Anyway, I don't have issues with Fiorentina per se, in fact I was supporting them last weekend!

And bluenine isn't right about my views about ALL things Serie A - I just hate the fascist clubs. I'm a big fan of clubs like Udinese, Livorno and Reggina though.

I think its just an interesting comparison though, especially with both teams in the same UEFA cup group.

Gigliati wrote:1. What is so similar about the two clubs to merit a comparison in the first place?

depens what period you use i suppose. if we were to take the period from 2000/01 following villarreal's promotion. they have accululated an average of 1.47 points per match in the top flight, fiorentina have accumulated 1.46 in the top flight in the same period (i have not deducted the points for the calcipolli case, to be v fair) BUT you have spent 2 seasons in Serie B in that same period. Therefore, i think over this period they are clubs of similar standing in league terms with villarreal edging it cos they haven't been demoted.

and in the same period they've reached a ECL semi final.

I was talking about the last 2 seasons. Before that was our worst phase in history.

If you like to compare history, Fiorentina have been one of the biggest clubs in Italian football. We were the first Italian club to reach the European Cup (CL) finals, we have won the CWC in europe. Historically there is no comparison with Villareal, I am sorry.

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:

Gigliati wrote:1. What is so similar about the two clubs to merit a comparison in the first place?

depens what period you use i suppose. if we were to take the period from 2000/01 following villarreal's promotion. they have accululated an average of 1.47 points per match in the top flight, fiorentina have accumulated 1.46 in the top flight in the same period (i have not deducted the points for the calcipolli case, to be v fair) BUT you have spent 2 seasons in Serie B in that same period. Therefore, i think over this period they are clubs of similar standing in league terms with villarreal edging it cos they haven't been demoted.

and in the same period they've reached a ECL semi final.

oh bless it doesn't suit your argument. so e disregard villarreals best season ever to suit your argument. at this present time they are clubs of similar standing, ie no hope of winning the league but could well qualify for the ecl

I think Florentina are probably the better side, but equally I think gigliati is underestimating Villarreal, who matached Man Utd and Arsenal in the CL, and knocked out Inter Milan a couple of seasons back. They have also beaten Barcelona this season, and actually have a good record against the bigger sides in La Liga. I think both are just as capable of beating one another, though Florentina have more consistency in their performances.

Until recently they had Riquelme, who'd walk into the Florentina team, and in Rodriguez they have one of the best defenders in the world (when fit), and in Fernandez they have the former (or current is it?) South Ameircan player of the year, they're full of other quality too, like Senna, Rossi, Nihat, Capdevila etc.