Serie A Transfer Tracker - Rumours and Confirmed Deals

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If Fiorentina were a couple of years away from being as good as Arsenal last season, does that make them just one year away from being as good as Arsenal this season?

Maybe we could get Bobi to do his player comparison test again

Yes, I think so.

But of course Arsenal have the money to strengthen considerably very quickly, so its a moving target and no one can say. At the moment, there is not much of a difference between Arsenal and Fiorentina, its marginal. One season of CL exposure could easily bridge that gap.

We've made net profits on transfers almost year on year though Bluey. I'm pretty sure if you looked at the figures, Fiorentina would have spent more than us over the past 3/5 years in net spend terms.

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If Fiorentina were a couple of years away from being as good as Arsenal last season, does that make them just one year away from being as good as Arsenal this season?

Maybe we could get Bobi to do his player comparison test again

Yes, I think so.

But of course Arsenal have the money to strengthen considerably very quickly, so its a moving target and no one can say. At the moment, there is not much of a difference between Arsenal and Fiorentina, its marginal. One season of CL exposure could easily bridge that gap.

We've made net profits on transfers almost year on year though Bluey. I'm pretty sure if you looked at the figures, Fiorentina would have spent more than us over the past 3/5 years in net spend terms.

All I am saying is that Arsenal HAVE far more money to spend.

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If Fiorentina were a couple of years away from being as good as Arsenal last season, does that make them just one year away from being as good as Arsenal this season?

Maybe we could get Bobi to do his player comparison test again

Yes, I think so.

But of course Arsenal have the money to strengthen considerably very quickly, so its a moving target and no one can say. At the moment, there is not much of a difference between Arsenal and Fiorentina, its marginal. One season of CL exposure could easily bridge that gap.

We've made net profits on transfers almost year on year though Bluey. I'm pretty sure if you looked at the figures, Fiorentina would have spent more than us over the past 3/5 years in net spend terms.

All I am saying is that Arsenal HAVE far more money to spend.

Do we though? We're currently having to pay tonnes of money each year on the stadium.

Calidad wrote:Roma's campaign is shocking. Is Riise going to be their big signing?

Of course not don't be ridiculous. Spalletti has promised a high profile striker.

Tweedle wrote:

Gigi Buffon #1 wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Gigi Buffon #1 wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If Fiorentina were a couple of years away from being as good as Arsenal last season, does that make them just one year away from being as good as Arsenal this season?

Maybe we could get Bobi to do his player comparison test again

Fiorentina finished in the top 4 for the third season running now.

Just

Arsenal came comfortably 3rd and were contending the title for more than half the season.

They were not challengers in the end though.

The gap between the top 4 and the rest in the EPL is quite large. In Serie A, there were actually a number of teams in the running for the CL places.

Only because the top four in the EPL are better than the top four in Serie A.

If the top four in the EPL were the same level as the top four in Serie A then I'd expect the challenge for CL places would have been a hell of a lot closer.

And conversely, if Milan/Udinese/Doria were in EPL, I am sure the competition for Top 4 places would have been a hell of a lot closer...

There are 2 sides of that coin, tweeds...

Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Desgraciats wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Actually the idea that Arsenal are a team of kids is kind of false. They have Gallas, had Lehmann...I think their average age was 26.6 last year. That is not a young team.

Spain also proved that with the right coaching and team spirit kids can win you trophies, but perhaps only ones that have a knock-out format.

The problem with Arsenal, IMO, is that they lack the spirit of a big club, which is weird because they ARE a big club. They sell their best players and rebuild too often. They need more continuity.

Its a vicious circle, isn't it? If you keep replacing your stars with kids, which results in a short term lack of trophies, then your kids who have become stars want to leave and join a team which wins trophies.... or at least invests enough to try and win trophies.

Spain starting XI looked more mature than Arsenal starting XI - have I got that wrong?

There were some youngsters in there, but youngsters with loads of experience from the league. Not like the average Arsenal youngsters used to the reserve matches. I don't really think you can compare them tbh

That's a good point. I didn't consider that aspect. You are right though--youngsters that come to Arsenal are poached at an early age.

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If Fiorentina were a couple of years away from being as good as Arsenal last season, does that make them just one year away from being as good as Arsenal this season?

Maybe we could get Bobi to do his player comparison test again

Yes, I think so.

But of course Arsenal have the money to strengthen considerably very quickly, so its a moving target and no one can say. At the moment, there is not much of a difference between Arsenal and Fiorentina, its marginal. One season of CL exposure could easily bridge that gap.

We've made net profits on transfers almost year on year though Bluey. I'm pretty sure if you looked at the figures, Fiorentina would have spent more than us over the past 3/5 years in net spend terms.

All I am saying is that Arsenal HAVE far more money to spend.

Do we though? We're currently having to pay tonnes of money each year on the stadium.

I was just going to say that...

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Thats his opinion then.

Doria's squad is not very good, and has recently got worse.... It was the Cassano magic that worked, and their first team was very decent. That first team last season would take out Everton, forget West Ham... in the end, they were dominating teams like Fiorentina and Juventus, and who can forget the thrashing they gave Udinese!! Its sad that they have sold some of their best players....

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If Fiorentina were a couple of years away from being as good as Arsenal last season, does that make them just one year away from being as good as Arsenal this season?

Maybe we could get Bobi to do his player comparison test again

Yes, I think so.

But of course Arsenal have the money to strengthen considerably very quickly, so its a moving target and no one can say. At the moment, there is not much of a difference between Arsenal and Fiorentina, its marginal. One season of CL exposure could easily bridge that gap.

We've made net profits on transfers almost year on year though Bluey. I'm pretty sure if you looked at the figures, Fiorentina would have spent more than us over the past 3/5 years in net spend terms.

All I am saying is that Arsenal HAVE far more money to spend.

Do we though? We're currently having to pay tonnes of money each year on the stadium.

I was just going to say that...

Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't you guys turned profitable ever since the shift to the new stadium?? The increase in money from the new stadium is far more than the annual payment of building it from what I understood - and thats how these deals usually work. And your balance sheet is probably 3 times the sized of Viola's.

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Thats his opinion then.

Doria's squad is not very good, and has recently got worse.... It was the Cassano magic that worked, and their first team was very decent. That first team last season would take out Everton, forget West Ham... in the end, they were dominating teams like Fiorentina and Juventus, and who can forget the thrashing they gave Udinese!! Its sad that they have sold some of their best players....

Well Everton went on a great run towards the end of last season too. Didn't do too badly in the UEFA cup either and were unlucky to go out to a top four Italian side...

Spurs, who man for man are better than all of the non CL Serie A teams barely finished in the top half of the EPL

We'll see how Doria do in the UEFA cup and judge on that shall we

Tweedle wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Thats his opinion then.

Doria's squad is not very good, and has recently got worse.... It was the Cassano magic that worked, and their first team was very decent. That first team last season would take out Everton, forget West Ham... in the end, they were dominating teams like Fiorentina and Juventus, and who can forget the thrashing they gave Udinese!! Its sad that they have sold some of their best players....

Well Everton went on a great run towards the end of last season too. Didn't do too badly in the UEFA cup either and were unlucky to go out to a top four Italian side...

Spurs, who man for man are better than all of the non CL Serie A teams barely finished in the top half of the EPL

We'll see how Doria do in the UEFA cup and judge on that shall we

Some of us can already judge coz we watch both the leagues

I probably watched more live Serie A games than EPL games last season Bluey!

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Which reminds me, a person at work the other day said Arsenal were $h!t...

Gigi Buffon #1 wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Which reminds me, a person at work the other day said Arsenal were $h!t...

My point is that with him being a fan of both, he's in a good position to make a comparison.

If Arsenal are $h!t then pretty much all of football is $h!t and we should all just give it up as a sport

Tweedle wrote:

Gigi Buffon #1 wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Which reminds me, a person at work the other day said Arsenal were $h!t...

My point is that with him being a fan of both, he's in a good position to make a comparison.

If Arsenal are $h!t then pretty much all of football is $h!t and we should all just give it up as a sport

Well it seems that West Ham is his first team, but in the end it's just someone's opinion and nothing concrete.

Of course Arsenal aren't $h!t.

Latest News: Penarol's Diego Rodriguez signs for Bologna; Jefferson joins Fiorentina, Giacomelli joins Inter; Comotto joins Viola; Corinthians RB Coelho joins Bologna, Zenoni joins Bologna; Knezevic signs for Juve, Vieri joins Atalanta; Zarate joins Lazio; German Denis joins Napoli; Amelia joins Palermo; Vargas joins Fiorentina!!

The Tracker for almost confirmed deals at top clubs (all prices in Euros - guesstimates used when involving player swaps):

Milan
IN: Flamini; Borriello; Zambrotta; Abbiati; Antonini; Abate; Storari
OUT: Serginho; Cafu; Oliveira; Gilardino; Gourcuff; Simic; Ba; Fiori; Di Gennaro; Antonini
Inter
IN: Adriano; Recoba; Giacomelli
OUT: Solari; Maniche; Cesar
Juve
IN: Amauri; Giovinco; Albin Ekdal; Mellberg; Criscito; De Ceglie; Volpato; Marchisio; Knezevic
OUT: Nocerino; Lanzafame; Palladino; Stendardo; Mirante; Volpato
Roma
IN: Riise; Loria; Esposito; Gusmao; Rosi
OUT: Barrusso; Curci; Ferrari
Fiorentina
IN: Felipe Melo; Stevan Jovetic; Gilardino; Vargas; Comotto; Jefferson
OUT: Ujfalusi; Liverani; Vanden Borre; Potenza; Cacia; Vieri
Sampdoria
IN: Cassano, Sammarco, Mirante, Stankevicius
OUT: Maggio; Volpi; Flachi; Zenoni
Palermo
IN: Raggi; Liverani; Nocerino; Lanzafame; Amelia; Budan; Carrozzieri; Bovo; Kjaer; De Melo
OUT: Zaccardo; Barzagli; Rinaudo; Amauri; Biava
Napoli
IN: Tomas Costa; Zalayeta; Blasi; Rinaudo; German Denis; Maggio;
OUT: Sosa; Cupi; Capparella; Rullo; Calaio; Garics
Lazio
IN: Amoruso; Foggia; Radu; Meghni; Carrizo; Stendardo, Zarate; OUT: Bianchi
Udinese
IN: Langella; Floro Flores; Tissone; Pasquale; Sanchez; Motta
OUT: Sivok; Dossena; Paolucci; Mesto; Zapotocny
Bologna
IN: Volpi; Bernacci; Coda; Paonessa; Zenoni; Coelho; Rodriguez
OUT: Di Gennaro; Bucchi
Genoa
IN: Polenta, Modesto, Di Gennaro, Gasbarroni, Potenza, Biava, Mesto; Vanden Borre; Palladino; Criscito
OUT: Borriello, Bovo, Konko, Fabiano, Santos; Ledesma


Rumours:
- Drogba/Eto'o/Veloso/Ashravin/Ferrari/Dinho to Milan
- Tavano/Ferrari to Fiorentina
- Poulsen/Stankovic/Alonso/Senna/Arda to Juve
- Aimar/Di Natale/Obinna to Napoli
- Quaresma/Lampard/Zhirkov/Mancini/Carlos Alberto to Inter
- Crespo/Suazo/Di Natale to Roma
- Shevchenko/Crespo to Sampdoria
- Pavlychenko to Bologna

English top 4 better than Serie A top 4 and outside of top 4 EPL still stronger.

Wrong for people to right off the league though - Udine isn't a big budget team but how many mil is their squad worth ?!

They'd give any side from any league a hell of a battle.

Napoli were only mid table and have a good squad too.

EPL is more entertaining the sense that games can be played at a frenetic pace, end to end and teams never give up so u get amazing comebacks.

Serie is more entertaining in teh sense that the skill level is higher.

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Well of course it was...considering the injuries we had all season, I'm amazed we managed 10th place! Makes me think that had we kept most of our best players fit...we'd be in the UEFA Cup.

Without injuries the West Ham squad is better than Doria...same as the first team. Obviously the Premiership is a stronger league and teams are stronger from 1st to 20th. The Samp first team was very good and would probably have made top 10 in the Premiership.

Regardless of what Bluey thinks...I'm pretty sure that the 2nd bracket of Premiership teams (Tottenham, Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham, Man City etc) with fully fit squads would make up 5th to 10th or whatever ahead of Palermo, Udinese, Sampdoria etc...as they all have stronger squads. I don't believe these teams would make a better job of challenging our top 4 than our current 2nd bracket of teams would.

Deano-Forza Italia wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Well of course it was...considering the injuries we had all season, I'm amazed we managed 10th place! Makes me think that had we kept most of our best players fit...we'd be in the UEFA Cup.

Without injuries the West Ham squad is better than Doria...same as the first team. Obviously the Premiership is a stronger league and teams are stronger from 1st to 20th. The Samp first team was very good and would probably have made top 10 in the Premiership.

Regardless of what Bluey thinks...I'm pretty sure that the 2nd bracket of Premiership teams (Tottenham, Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham, Man City etc) with fully fit squads would make up 5th to 10th or whatever ahead of Palermo, Udinese, Sampdoria etc...as they all have stronger squads. I don't believe these teams would make a better job of challenging our top 4 than our current 2nd bracket of teams would.

I would differ slightly here.

Everton bossed Fiorentina at Goodison to some extent because they had to being 2-0 down.

Although 2-0 isn't a hammering its no exagerration to say that Fiorentina humiliated Everton in Italy and gave them a total football lesson.

Udinese are there or there abouts with fiorentina and I see no reason why Udine would do worse than Everton, Man C or WHU.

Tables are funny too 'cos Everton finished higher than Villa but Villa are the better side of the 2.

Deano-Forza Italia wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Well of course it was...

This just proves Doria is $h!t. Genoa an the other hand is better then West Ham.

I personally think Udinese are $h!t...but there you go, I guess everyone has different opinions on teams.

The thing is...I was counting Fiorentina in the top bracket, not the same one as Everton. I mean take the top 4 away from both leagues and look at the next set of teams for both leagues...I'm pretty certain the Premiership ones are stronger.

@Gone...how do you work that one out? Genoa did worse and are not better. You hyped them up to f@ck and they failed...no surprise there for me. Genoa would not finish top 10 in the Premiership...even with a fully fit squad.

Deano-Forza Italia wrote:I personally think Udinese are $h!t...but there you go, I guess everyone has different opinions on teams.

The thing is...I was counting Fiorentina in the top bracket, not the same one as Everton. I mean take the top 4 away from both leagues and look at the next set of teams for both leagues...I'm pretty certain the Premiership ones are stronger.

@Gone...how do you work that one out? Genoa did worse and are not better. You hyped them up to f@ck and they failed...no surprise there for me. Genoa would not finish top 10 in the Premiership...even with a fully fit squad.

Genoa have a better squad. You where lucky with Cassano. Now, after the transfers this summer, Genoa is much better and they should fight for an UEFA Cup place in Seria A. If they would have played in EPL same thing.

Deano-Forza Italia wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Deano said last season that he thought that West Ham's squad (who finished 10th) were better than Doria's.

Well of course it was...considering the injuries we had all season, I'm amazed we managed 10th place! Makes me think that had we kept most of our best players fit...we'd be in the UEFA Cup.

Without injuries the West Ham squad is better than Doria...same as the first team. Obviously the Premiership is a stronger league and teams are stronger from 1st to 20th. The Samp first team was very good and would probably have made top 10 in the Premiership.

Regardless of what Bluey thinks...I'm pretty sure that the 2nd bracket of Premiership teams (Tottenham, Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham, Man City etc) with fully fit squads would make up 5th to 10th or whatever ahead of Palermo, Udinese, Sampdoria etc...as they all have stronger squads. I don't believe these teams would make a better job of challenging our top 4 than our current 2nd bracket of teams would.

Fair enough, thats your opinion.

Personally, I think Milan and Udinese last season were better than any team in EPL outside the top 4. Sampdoria too in the last two months.

EPL may be a stronger league all things considered, but to say that all teams from 1st to 20th are stronger is a HUGE exaggeration. But then somehow this country loves top overate teams/players when things look good, and then under rate the same team/player when things go wrong. EPL teams did very well in the CL last season, and suddenly people are going over the top. Many people in this country actually believe that the EPL top 4 are better than any Italian team... it is funny, sometimes.

Genoa Cricket and Football Club

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Genoa Cricket and Football Club

The best team in Zena.

@Gone...We have sold some our decent players again yes...but give us time to replace them. I think the only way we can judge squads is when the transfer window is shut.

@Bluey...the Premiership is stronger, it's that simple. No I didn't forget Milan. Maybe you have to say there is a top 5 in Italy...rather than a top 4. I still don't think the next bracket of teams in Serie A are as good as the ones in the Premiership. The difference after that is even bigger.

The best team in Zena...who have failed to win a single trophy since Sampdoria were established as a football club .

Deano-Forza Italia wrote:@Gone...We have sold some our decent players again yes...but give us time to replace them. I think the only way we can judge squads is when the transfer window is shut.

@Bluey...the Premiership is stronger, it's that simple. No I didn't forget Milan. Maybe you have to say there is a top 5 in Italy...rather than a top 4. I still don't think the next bracket of teams in Serie A are as good as the ones in the Premiership. The difference after that is even bigger.

The best team in Zena...who have failed to win a single trophy since Sampdoria were established as a football club .

And you've won so much.

Genoa: 9 titles
Sampdoria: 1 title

Says it all really.

And the most loved team in Zena (they have more supporters in B then you had in A).

Off-topic,

Deano, the best West Ham team in the last 10-20 years vs The worst Steaua team in the last 10-20 years. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e80F8hN0Awg

Diego Milito's interested in returning back to Genoa