Oranje vs italy and paraguay

Lennon should go to Villa

Khadrim wrote:Lennon should go to Villa

Or Man United.

Allez les rouges wrote:
Wot about the U21 game, is that not on TV?

It is over here....

Stadium is just a 10 minute walk, so I'll go see us being slaughtered from up close

Hopefully I get to see some good performances by Krul and Wilshire...they have been hyped somewhat on these boards...

Fey wrote:

Ricardo Wetzel wrote:

Fey wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Every time these two nations play each other, it is a very weird feeling for a complete neutral like me. On the one hand, you just ask yourself why the English didn't invent a mode in which both teams could lose. On the other hand, it's rather uninteresting, because it more or less always is a friendly match between the axis of evil.

Anyway Gerrard is injured for tomorrow!

The papers have their excuse already if England loses!

Doubt they will lose, this Dutch team is so poor! Hell I think our U-21 aint much worse!

Why would we lose? this team is good enough to beat England and it doesn't differ that much from the team that beat France and Italy with 7-1!

Under 21's game was a 0-0.

The problem is we just don't hate the Dutch enough. Which got me thinking:

They unfairly knocked us out of World Cup 1994, thanks to Ronald Koeman's blatant foul on Platt in the penalty area which was missed by the ref in the qualifier in Rotterdam and would have seen Koeman (who later scored a free kick) sent off and England awarded a penalty at 0-0.

Yet we forgive them because they actually saved us the embarrassment of going to the USA with a team that included Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton in midfield and almost certainly would have been humiliated on a global level.

Equally, we were at war with the Dutch for a very long time during the colonial era, but we forgive them because the nasty Germans came along in 1914 and 1939 respectively and suddenly the idea of a few of our sailors in some far away sea having a scuffle with the Dutch over treasure chests of Spanish gold, all to the backdrop of the Carribean, didn't seem like such a bad gig in comparison with soldiers dying in trenches and London being bombed every night.

Nowadays they provide us with nothing more harmful than Tiesto, marijuana and Live beastiality.

They've also given English football Dennis Bergkamp, Martin Jol and Glenn Helder.

When Rijkaard gobbed into Rudi Voeller's enormous blonde Tina Turneresque perm, we collectively giggled at those krayshee foolshhhh.

When they were wowing everyone with their flair and looking goddam cool in those orange shirts to boot, we willed them to win, especially as during the 70's England were gashtastic.

We admired and empathised with their heroic failure to win tournaments, coming so close yet so far. Here was a nation who like England made underachievement an art form. But at the time did it with even more style.

The friendship was finally cemented once and for all in 1996 when they came to England and rolled over at Wembley. Made all the more entertaining by fielding a player called De Cock.

So now, what we are left with is a total, tepid lack of rivalry. We both want a crack at the Germans. An England V Holland game is more like a kick about in the park with your mates. Playing Germany is like taking on the loudmouthed kids from the estate down the road, with their gold chains and big time reputation.

The under 21's highlighted the pointlessness of a Holland England game. I don't have much hope for anything more fierce tonight. expect lots of timid challenges and handshakes

Great post

You should try getting that published on F365 or something

Great post

Kas said it before me, exactly what I was going to say

Excelled yourself there ol' Bernd, get it published...

Its too late to put it on 365 though. Their mail box is at 10:30am.

Don't they have another 'afternoon' one...it's probably his last chance, because by tomorrow morning the subject will be obsolete.

*brilliant* post !

so are Sneijder and VDV likely to start?

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:so are Sneijder and VDV likely to start?

Predicted lineup :

No offense mate but how has this team a 100% record. It's absolutely stinking average RVP aside and i guess Robben on his day that is minus x factor quality.

L r dd wrote:No offense mate but how has this team a 100% record. It's absolutely stinking average RVP aside and i guess Robben on his day that is minus x factor quality.

That same team thrashed Italy 4-1 and France 3-0 in the Euros. Behave

L r dd wrote:No offense mate but how has this team a 100% record. It's absolutely stinking average RVP aside and i guess Robben on his day that is minus x factor quality.

Have to agree that it doesn't look too impressive, especially at the back. Also there be must be somebody out there who can play in striker position other then Huntelaar. Perhaps it works well as a team or perhaps the qualifiers are just weak.

Axeslammer wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:so are Sneijder and VDV likely to start?

Predicted lineup :

Stekelenburg

Heitinga - Ooijer - Mathijsen - Braafheid

De Zeeuw - De Jong

Van Persie - Sneijder - Robben

Kuijt

psh VDV should start.

L r dd wrote:No offense mate but how has this team a 100% record.

Doesn't England also have a 100% rate ?

That's even more shocking...

Think of the current Holland as a German tournament team : no superstars, no world beaters....but it's a TEAM




Oh dear, what have I just said

Super De La Red wrote:
Have to agree that it doesn't look too impressive, especially at the back.

The back *is* very suspect, but for some reason we're conceding extremely few goals.

My bet is that it's because of the two DM's, we have a sheer endless supply of DM's who also are good in combinations / passing (Schaars and Von Bommel injured => on comes De Zeeuw).

Super De La Red wrote:
Also there be must be somebody out there who can play in striker position other then Huntelaar.

I'm praying for the return of Ruud.

If Van Marwijk gives them room to roam, this lineup works very well (no real striker, yet different players will move into that position fluidly). If he commands Dirk to stay deep in his striker role....it's a disaster.

Super De La Red wrote:
Perhaps it works well as a team or perhaps the qualifiers are just weak.

Both


The last factor that's not visible in this lineup : VDV instead of Sneijder makes for an extra striker and a whole lot of extra creativity. Apparently we're going for Lampards strikes from distance against England (keeper pinpointed as weak spot ?).

L r dd wrote:No offense mate but how has this team a 100% record. It's absolutely stinking average :lol: RVP aside and i guess Robben on his day that is minus x factor quality.

They have scotland and Norway as their main opponents.

No RVN, Gio and Bouhlarouz from the team in the euros.

Spider Crouch wrote:Under 21's game was a 0-0.

The problem is we just don't hate the Dutch enough. Which got me thinking:

They unfairly knocked us out of World Cup 1994, thanks to Ronald Koeman's blatant foul on Platt in the penalty area which was missed by the ref in the qualifier in Rotterdam and would have seen Koeman (who later scored a free kick) sent off and England awarded a penalty at 0-0.

Yet we forgive them because they actually saved us the embarrassment of going to the USA with a team that included Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton in midfield and almost certainly would have been humiliated on a global level.

Equally, we were at war with the Dutch for a very long time during the colonial era, but we forgive them because the nasty Germans came along in 1914 and 1939 respectively and suddenly the idea of a few of our sailors in some far away sea having a scuffle with the Dutch over treasure chests of Spanish gold, all to the backdrop of the Carribean, didn't seem like such a bad gig in comparison with soldiers dying in trenches and London being bombed every night.

Nowadays they provide us with nothing more harmful than Tiesto, marijuana and Live beastiality.

They've also given English football Dennis Bergkamp, Martin Jol and Glenn Helder.

When Rijkaard gobbed into Rudi Voeller's enormous blonde Tina Turneresque perm, we collectively giggled at those krayshee foolshhhh.

When they were wowing everyone with their flair and looking goddam cool in those orange shirts to boot, we willed them to win, especially as during the 70's England were gashtastic.

We admired and empathised with their heroic failure to win tournaments, coming so close yet so far. Here was a nation who like England made underachievement an art form. But at the time did it with even more style.

The friendship was finally cemented once and for all in 1996 when they came to England and rolled over at Wembley. Made all the more entertaining by fielding a player called De Cock.

So now, what we are left with is a total, tepid lack of rivalry. We both want a crack at the Germans. An England V Holland game is more like a kick about in the park with your mates. Playing Germany is like taking on the loudmouthed kids from the estate down the road, with their gold chains and big time reputation.

The under 21's highlighted the pointlessness of a Holland England game. I don't have much hope for anything more fierce tonight. expect lots of timid challenges and handshakes

Great stuff Bernd!

L r dd wrote:No offense mate but how has this team a 100% record. It's absolutely stinking average RVP aside and i guess Robben on his day that is minus x factor quality.

I have to agree with this, its a very poor side. Say what you like about RVN but he was good for Holland in his last days, now we have Huntelaar. An even bigger loss is van der Saar

Holland will be very shite for the next years, Keeper, defense, striker..all key positions!

Central midfield is decent at best, attacking midfield is good though. you can solve the striker problem by putting RVP as central striker. The only two world class players this team has are RVP and Kuyt and I dont say that cause they are from Feyenoord.

Gio and Boula are injured, but Gio dont deserved to play in this form..

BTW, the police expects lots of fighting tonight!

Mental stuff, like I said..its a full battle royal in Amsterdam at the moment! Lots of fighting!

Fey wrote:Mental stuff, like I said..its a full battle royal in Amsterdam at the moment! Lots of fighting!

Between you rowdy dutchies ?

What channel is this game on, dutch or English?

Hlebagone wrote:What channel is this game on, dutch or English?

ITV

L r dd wrote:Nothing against Milner but Lennon is on another level to the bloke. Then again capello prefers Downing to Young so i guess he likes the more hard working crossing type to a fast dribbler.

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/lennon-v-milner-t44.htm

Spider Crouch wrote:Under 21's game was a 0-0.

The problem is we just don't hate the Dutch enough. Which got me thinking:

They unfairly knocked us out of World Cup 1994, thanks to Ronald Koeman's blatant foul on Platt in the penalty area which was missed by the ref in the qualifier in Rotterdam and would have seen Koeman (who later scored a free kick) sent off and England awarded a penalty at 0-0.

Yet we forgive them because they actually saved us the embarrassment of going to the USA with a team that included Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton in midfield and almost certainly would have been humiliated on a global level.

Equally, we were at war with the Dutch for a very long time during the colonial era, but we forgive them because the nasty Germans came along in 1914 and 1939 respectively and suddenly the idea of a few of our sailors in some far away sea having a scuffle with the Dutch over treasure chests of Spanish gold, all to the backdrop of the Carribean, didn't seem like such a bad gig in comparison with soldiers dying in trenches and London being bombed every night.

Nowadays they provide us with nothing more harmful than Tiesto, marijuana and Live beastiality.

They've also given English football Dennis Bergkamp, Martin Jol and Glenn Helder.

When Rijkaard gobbed into Rudi Voeller's enormous blonde Tina Turneresque perm, we collectively giggled at those krayshee foolshhhh.

When they were wowing everyone with their flair and looking goddam cool in those orange shirts to boot, we willed them to win, especially as during the 70's England were gashtastic.

We admired and empathised with their heroic failure to win tournaments, coming so close yet so far. Here was a nation who like England made underachievement an art form. But at the time did it with even more style.

The friendship was finally cemented once and for all in 1996 when they came to England and rolled over at Wembley. Made all the more entertaining by fielding a player called De Cock.

So now, what we are left with is a total, tepid lack of rivalry. We both want a crack at the Germans. An England V Holland game is more like a kick about in the park with your mates. Playing Germany is like taking on the loudmouthed kids from the estate down the road, with their gold chains and big time reputation.

The under 21's highlighted the pointlessness of a Holland England game. I don't have much hope for anything more fierce tonight. expect lots of timid challenges and handshakes

Genius

MadVillain wrote:

L r dd wrote:Nothing against Milner but Lennon is on another level to the bloke. Then again capello prefers Downing to Young so i guess he likes the more hard working crossing type to a fast dribbler.

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/lennon-v-milner-t44.htm

They were on a similar level and still are. Lennon has a bit more "explosiveness" to him, so for England he would be better. Neither really impress me. I know you like to act like you've been proved right in the Lennon debate, but his stats are still shite.

COTR #6 wrote:

Fey wrote:Mental stuff, like I said..its a full battle royal in Amsterdam at the moment! Lots of fighting!

Between you rowdy dutchies ?

The jews got beaten by some english firms in pre-season so they want to get their revange.

Sadly for them a few nutters came to Rotterdam earlier this week and were just shooting around. So obviously Feyenoord supporters are there for some action.

And to top that there are some english clubs fighting eachother!