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    Post by Parks lives Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:56 am

    By winning when they shouldn't have, ManYoo are ready to topple Chelski. The title is now theirs to lose...

    Winners

    ManYoo
    The bookies get paid a lot of money not to make mistakes, so the 1/6 odds on ManYoo winning the Premiership is a reliable indicator of just how spectacularly their collapse would be if Chelski, at 4/1, were to still prevail.

    The title is now ManYoo's to lose. When the leaders lost at Upton Park in December, a turning point was proclaimed from every available rooftop. West Ham were supposed to mount a stirring recovery and ManYoo were expected to subside against Chelski's superior strength. It just hasn't happened. Even if Sir Alex's side were to lose at Anfield next week, and at Stamford Bridge in April, they would still be in pole position.

    It doesn't even seem to matter that they are no longer playing particularly well. Saturday's win at Fulham was a Chelski-esque lesson in how to win without deserving to do so - which just happens to be the hallmark of champions. "These are the games that decide if you are going to be champions," said goalkeeper Edwin Van der Sar.

    If they win next Saturday lunchtime then at least one publicity-seeking bookmaker is bound to crown ManYoo champions. Equally, expect an aggrieved Jose Mourinho to complain this week about the distorted fixture list that requires Chelski to play on Saturday night under the influence of the result at Liverpool. The Portuguese would be right to claim that his side are being unfairly denied a straight fight.


    Tottenham Hotspur
    As Martin Jol said, Spurs have just enjoyed their "best week since the start of 2006". The pathetic capitulation at Sheffield United has proved a blessing, inspiring three impressive bulked-up victories in seven days against Fulham, Everton and Bolton. There was a UEFA Cup bye in there somewhere too.

    Spurs have a dreadful record at Bolton, losing each of their last five league matches at the Reebok, but are a completely different proposition at White Hart Lane. Dimitar Berbatov, a snip at £10m, was unstoppable this weekend but his goal at Goodison Park on Wednesday night was his first away from home in the Premiership.

    One day, a group of scientists, psychologists and home improvement experts will join forces to publish the definitive explanation for why playing on a familiar patch of grass provides such a telling benefit for footballers.


    Robbie Fowler
    A last hurrah for the Kop's God. And it must be his last - the three league goals he has scored this season have all been from the penalty spot against Sheffield United.


    Javier Mascherano
    Quite how or why West Ham failed to accommodate Mascherano's undoubted talent in their struggling side is one of the mysteries of the new millennium.

    The young Argentine excelled at the World Cup and, by all accounts, did so again on his Liverpool debut this weekend. The five months in between, in which Mascherano made just three starts, make absolutely no sense.


    The Premiership's In-Form Striking Partnership
    Mark Viduka, scorer of six goals in his past seven games, and Yakubu, with seven in ten, are a formidable strike partnership which wouldn't look out of place at the head of a big four side.

    Even in the bottom half of the Premiership, there are enough parts to form the body of a very decent side. Put together Watford's goalkeeper, either Wigan or Fulham's full-backs, Man Citeh's central defenders, Newcastle's first-choice midfielders and Middlesbrough's two strikers and the result would be an outfit comfortably capable of finishing at least fifth.


    Blackburn Rovers
    Rovers have under-achieved this term. After an inexplicably slow start to the campaign, October's warranted draw at Anfield was a reminder of their capabilities. A week later, Mark Hughes' team were unfortunate to lose at home to Bolton. That derby defeat seemed to knock the stuffing out of Rovers and they then lost five of their next six games. Only since Christmas have they finally found their 2006/07 feet.

    Sunday's 3-0 win over declining Portsmouth - possibly suffering the consequences of relying on so many thirtysomethings - was well timed, coming three days after UEFA Cup elimination, and propelling Blackburn into the top half to join a clutch of teams eyeing a route into Europe. "Today's performance has posted notice of our intent not to let our season peter out," declared a satisfied Mark Hughes.

    Although much of the Premiership seems set in stone - ManYoo comfortable at the top, the Big Four in a league of their own, the bottom three cut adrift of Wigan and Sheffield United - the fight for UEFA Cup qualification, potentially involving as many as eight teams, will be an entertaining distraction for the next three months.


    Wigan
    By cancelling out Chartlon's win with one of their own, Wigan gained a considerable advantage because the status quo favours a side six points clear of the relegation zone.


    Losers

    Alan Curbishley and West Ham
    Only the defeatism that has become the hallmark of Alan Curbishley's disastrous reign at West Ham can be saving him from the sack. Chairman Eggert Magnusson, sinking ever deeper into his seat, has probably realised that, barring the Second Coming, it's now too late for anyone to save West Ham.

    The dreaded vote of confidence was delivered late on Saturday night. The good news for Curbishley, who palpably does not possess the stomach for this relegation battle, is that only ten days elapsed between Magnusson's last managerial endorsement and predecessor Alan Pardew being dismissed.

    Although Curbishley should not carry the blame for the Hammers' plight, it is a statistical fact that they have declined under his guidance. Whereas Pardew has brought energy and belief to Charlton, Curbishley has offered only doom, gloom and failed signings. Calum Davenport was repeatedly exposed at the Valley while the £5m Luis Boa Morte didn't even make the bench.

    Curbishley was the wrong manager at the wrong time. West Ham needed a street fighter and a ball breaker. Instead they hired a hangdog pacifist whose unfamiliarity with an open chequebook meant that Hammers' last roll of the dice ended with a series of duds.

    It's only down from here.


    Robert Green
    Regret joining West Ham? Join the club.

    Green was dropped after the 6-0 humiliation at Reading on New Year's Day, only returning over a month later for last week's disaster against Watford. He wasn't culpable for any of the four conceded at Charlton, but nor did he improve his reputation either.

    It is a depressing reflection of the dearth of quality goalkeepers currently available for England that if all the Premiership-based keepers were placed in order of merit then Green, who would have been at the World Cup but for injury, wouldn't be included in the top twenty.


    Bolton Wanderers
    On MOTD2, Neil Warnock opined that "sixth place is up for grabs", but what of fifth? Current residents, Bolton, are in dreadful form, winning just two of their previous seven matches.

    At the very least, defeat at Spurs has destroyed the few remaining thoughts of challenging the big four. "I think we blew any chance of trying to catch Arsenal or Liverpool by not at least getting a point," admitted Silent Sam.

    Pete Gill
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    Post by Deano Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:31 am

    This is the worst Ive ever read...Fucking cunt needs his head kicked in....

    Is there a way of contacting the person who writes this?
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:35 am

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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:25 pm

    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:This is the worst Ive ever read...Fucking cunt needs his head kicked in....

    Is there a way of contacting the person who writes this?

    What dont you agree with Deano, just out of curiosity?

    Whats happened to "Walcott Watch" this week? Postponed because he had a decent game?
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    Post by Deano Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:34 pm

    Das Reale Weiss Pele wrote:
    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:This is the worst Ive ever read...Fucking cunt needs his head kicked in....

    Is there a way of contacting the person who writes this?

    What dont you agree with Deano, just out of curiosity?

    1)The Mascherano stuff....does anyone honestly think Pardew or Curbishley would be that stupid to play Quashie or Mullins ahead of him?? If they do they are quite frankly completely thick themselves...Mascherano's contract was that if he made 5 starts for West Ham it would cost us £5m...if we played him 25 times we would've purchased him for £25m..Therefore he wasn't started more than 3 times.... ok....The Tevez contract was simple...we just pay his wages for as many appearances as we want...

    2)The Robert Green stuff....why put him in the losers section, say he wasn't at fault for any of the 4 goals..and then say there are 20 keepers better and his reputation is ruined? If the twat of a writer can see the goals were not his fault..everyone else can..so why would his rep..be damaged?
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:36 pm

    I still think Pete Gill is a West Ham fan, who's seriously pissed off with the club. That or a Millwall fan (could be Juninhio).

    He seems to spend a long time on them every week.
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    Post by Deano Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:37 pm

    Parks lives wrote:I still think Pete Gill is a West Ham fan, who's seriously pissed off with the club. That or a Millwall fan (could be Juninhio).

    He seems to spend a long time on them every week.

    Sometimes he has wrote stuff that I agree with...such as his Curbishley section today...spot on and I can't argue...however he then seems to like having a dig at us in other ways which I don't agree with...
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:08 pm

    Parks lives wrote:

    The Premiership's In-Form Striking Partnership
    Mark Viduka, scorer of six goals in his past seven games, and Yakubu, with seven in ten, are a formidable strike partnership which wouldn't look out of place at the head of a big four side.


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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:16 pm

    Yak's quietly crept his way in to the top 5 scorers again. Viduka > Henry... when he can be asked.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:16 pm

    In front of every partnership bar Rooney and Saha. Razz
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:18 pm

    They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side ok

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:18 pm

    Parks lives wrote:In front of every partnership bar Rooney and Saha. Razz
    Got nothing on Berbatov & Keane/Defoe.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:19 pm

    Tweedle wrote:They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side ok

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe

    Do you really want to start this?
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    Post by Deano Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:19 pm

    Tweedle wrote:They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side ok

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe

    What...one offside goal and he's better than Defoe?? Yeah right....
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:20 pm

    Dong Gook looked decent when he came on tuther day aswell, good times to be a striker at Boro, with Downing providing all those chances Razz
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:20 pm

    TeamSpirit™ wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side :k:

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe

    Do you really want to start this?

    start what?

    there's no discussion on it. As far as I'm concerned, he clearly is.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:21 pm

    Tweedle wrote:They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side ok

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe
    No shit sherlock, you're quick Tweedle i'll give you that. ok
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:22 pm

    borocooper wrote:Dong Gook looked decent when he came on tuther day aswell, good times to be a striker at Boro, with Downing providing all those chances Razz

    How old is he and how much did he cost?
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:22 pm

    Kimmy's here now too. Good News - I can start my new thread.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:23 pm

    To be honest though, how Charlton didn't get a mention at all is criminal. Probably the worst thing in winners and losers all season.

    Potential to be a massive relegation decider and you win 4-0 yet don't get any mention is pathetic.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:23 pm

    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side ok

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe

    What...one offside goal and he's better than Defoe?? Yeah right....

    Yeh, all he's done in his career is score one offside goal Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:23 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side ok

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe

    What...one offside goal and he's better than Defoe?? Yeah right....

    Yeh, all he's done in his career is score one offside goal Rolling Eyes
    scratch Was it offside?
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:24 pm

    Parks lives wrote:To be honest though, how Charlton didn't get a mention at all is criminal. Probably the worst thing in winners and losers all season.

    Potential to be a massive relegation decider and you win 4-0 yet don't get any mention is pathetic.

    ok

    Especially in a supposed '6 pointer'
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:25 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    borocooper wrote:Dong Gook looked decent when he came on tuther day aswell, good times to be a striker at Boro, with Downing providing all those chances Razz

    How old is he and how much did he cost?

    Dong Gook is 27..we've got him for free. 18 month contract he's on. Whether or not he'll do well for us I dont know, but he had a good effort which hit the post after about 5 minutes of coming on, Saturday.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:25 pm

    TeamSpirit™️ wrote:Kimmy's here now too. Good News - I can start my new thread.
    scratch
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:25 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    Deaño-WHUFC wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:They should also have mentioned Bent's return to the side ok

    Bent>>>>>>Defoe

    What...one offside goal and he's better than Defoe?? Yeah right....

    Yeh, all he's done in his career is score one offside goal Rolling Eyes
    scratch Was it offside?

    There's no point kimbo, ones a Hammers fan and t'others a Spurs fan, they'll clearly be biased on this.

    Its like asking obi to compare the Zog with Gonzales Wink
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:27 pm

    borocooper wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    borocooper wrote:Dong Gook looked decent when he came on tuther day aswell, good times to be a striker at Boro, with Downing providing all those chances Razz

    How old is he and how much did he cost?

    Dong Gook is 27..we've got him for free. 18 month contract he's on. Whether or not he'll do well for us I dont know, but he had a good effort which hit the post after about 5 minutes of coming on, Saturday.

    Yeh, I saw it, good technique - I was impressed. If he can be anywhere near as good as the other South Koreans in the EPL, you have a good player
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:28 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    TeamSpirit™️ wrote:Kimmy's here now too. Good News - I can start my new thread.
    scratch

    It's there now Smiley
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:29 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    borocooper wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    borocooper wrote:Dong Gook looked decent when he came on tuther day aswell, good times to be a striker at Boro, with Downing providing all those chances Razz

    How old is he and how much did he cost?

    Dong Gook is 27..we've got him for free. 18 month contract he's on. Whether or not he'll do well for us I dont know, but he had a good effort which hit the post after about 5 minutes of coming on, Saturday.

    Yeh, I saw it, good technique - I was impressed. If he can be anywhere near as good as the other South Koreans in the EPL, you have a good player

    He's a bigger star over there, than any of the other Korean players aswell Very Happy

    Korean Beckham, so they say.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:31 pm

    He played in the South Korean league?

    I didn't even know you had a south Korean player until yesterday! how come he hasn't played?

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