CL draw 11.00 BST / 12.00 CET

Not really worried, close to home, yes they finished 3rd last season but where did Bordeux finish when we got them? they were terrible, at Anfield they have no chance

Do you think fans of Toulouse who don't know anything about Liverpool just randomly compare them to other teams they may have faced before?

DD wrote:Nobody doesn't not rate AEK athens. They're quite frequently in CL group stages. Sevilla, (back to back UEFA cup champions)however, is considerably better and should knock them out.

I was makeing a coment to your "toulouse are the hardest draw". No, I think AEK or Fener where the harderst draws.

Parks lives wrote:Do you think fans of Toulouse who don't know anything about Liverpool just randomly compare them to other teams they may have faced before?

Everyone knows something about Liverpool, it's called being big in Europe

Parks lives wrote:Do you think fans of Toulouse who don't know anything about Liverpool just randomly compare them to other teams they may have faced before?

good luck finding those fans spank


you don't have to look for something negative about EVERYTHING a liverpool fan says you know

im sure you would not be entirely worried about facing toulouse either. I don't view it as a bad draw

COTR wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Do you think fans of Toulouse who don't know anything about Liverpool just randomly compare them to other teams they may have faced before?

good luck finding those fans spank


you don't have to look for something negative about EVERYTHING a liverpool fan says you know

im sure you would not be entirely worried about facing toulouse either

Well that's what they thought about copenhagen

Toulouse also play a tough game against Lyon a few days before the first leg, so I doubt Liverpool will have many problems. The only problem would be ones that they create for themselves, complacency, unsettled team etc.

But it's retarded for both of you to say because you had no problems with Bordeaux that you should be comfortable in this game, is it not?

Especially when you know nothing about Toulouse.

It's not really a random comparison if he says that they comfortbaly beat a team that finished 2nd in the same league the year before and now they face the team that finished third so he is not that worried.

Lyon is by far the strongest team in the French league and after that there is a bit of a drop.

110% wrote:It's not really a random comparison if he says that they comfortbaly beat a team that finished 2nd in the same league the year before and now they face the team that finished third so he is not that worried.

Lyon is by far the strongest team in the French league and after that there is a bit of a drop.

Parky's just annoyed because of my



I gave him last time

ignorant dumbs! the french league is awesome <ale>

gone wrote:

DD wrote:Nobody doesn't not rate AEK athens. They're quite frequently in CL group stages. Sevilla, (back to back UEFA cup champions)however, is considerably better and should knock them out.

I was makeing a coment to your "toulouse are the hardest draw". No, I think AEK or Fener where the harderst draws.

I'll disagree if you don't mind.

As I said above

Parky just has to go opposite from what we say



If we had been saying toulouse was a tough draw spank would be right here in this very same thread telling us how $h!t toulouse are


It's simply the way he works

DD wrote:

gone wrote:

DD wrote:Nobody doesn't not rate AEK athens. They're quite frequently in CL group stages. Sevilla, (back to back UEFA cup champions)however, is considerably better and should knock them out.

I was makeing a coment to your "toulouse are the hardest draw". No, I think AEK or Fener where the harderst draws.

I'll disagree if you don't mind.

It will be hard to compare the teams.

Liverpool have everything Toulouse.


Meh... bit Cr@p isn't it.

DD wrote:Liverpool have everything Toulouse.


Meh... bit Cr@p isn't it.

still made me laugh, but now I can imagine the commentators in England saying that

The only negative with 'Pool in the CL is that in recent years they have never looked great in the qualifying round (quite understandable I guess). Last year you got past Maccabi Haifa thanks to an 89th minute goal and 2 wonder saves from Reina in the 2nd leg, the year before I think you got through the 3rd qualifying round on away goals.

Like DD said, if it was the 2nd round proper, I'd say Liverpool comfortably. They should still get through, but it may not be as comfortable as they think.

Does anyone know anything about MSK Zilina or SK Slavia Prague ??

Slavia Prague played Tottenham last year and were absolute $h!t.

I think some people are making a big deal out of Liverpool playing Tolouse. Liverpool should beat them with no real problems IMO. The 3rd place team in Ligue 1 does not match up to 3rd place in The Premiership.

If I was a Liverpool fan I wouldn't be too worried.

When both teams have played long enough to click with their team mates, then Liverpool would win easier.

Things is, with it being played so soon, it plays in the advantage of Toulouse and in the disadvantage of Liverpool.

Reasons for Pool disadvantage:
1) So soon. When both teams are yet to click with another properly, then the odds gravitate more towards Toulouse than they should have. Simlpy because the clubs are on a more level field (both are a collectionof individuals rather than a well oiled team).
2) The pressure is on Liverpool. Especially if they don't manage to score in the away match. Liverpool have everything to lose, while Toulouse less so as the underdogs.

Hence banana peel.

@ DD

surely you could just replace toulouse with most of the other teams and still apply those two disadvatanges

I know what you mean

toulouse are a more prominent team in europe than some of the other draws but the draw is perfectly fine by me

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:Slavia Prague played Tottenham last year and were absolute $h!t.

I think some people are making a big deal out of Liverpool playing Tolouse. Liverpool should beat them with no real problems IMO. The 3rd place team in Ligue 1 does not match up to 3rd place in The Premiership.

If I was a Liverpool fan I wouldn't be too worried.

Will you guys ever learn?

Liverpool should beat Toulouse, but between should, and will, is still a big difference.
I Presume Ajax fans said the same last year with Kopenhagen

In Benfica case, I actually consider it a tricky draw. A bad result at home will be our ondoing

toulouse will have much energy in their side they will make liverpool play but if liverpool play well its game over easy ennough

Liverpool clear favourites but it is a very tough draw.

Toulouse will play 4-5-1 probably but I wouldn't say they are particularly negative.

Arribage is a clever old CB but very slow - if he gets isolated v Torres he will be in trouble.

He may be partnered by Cetto who signed from Nantes during the summer. Apart from Ayala and Gonzalo all Argie centre backs are the same to me - long haired, dirty and petulant: Cetto is no different.


Mathieu is one of their stars and can play left mid or left back (prob the latter) - he has a sweet left foot, he's very fit and, for a full back, very big and powerful.

He will want to get forward and put in lots of crosses - not the quickest though.


Emana is arguably the star of the team with Elmander, he is mobile but also very very clever and creative with the ability to do the unexpected.

He can hurt Liverpool by threading passes between the defenders or timing a run forward so that he gets on the end of someone elses.

Definately the main creative force in the team yet still gets compared with Essien - 'cos he's African and plays in France


Batlles - I'm not sure if he will start as he's getting on a bit but he is the French Lampard (although far less detestable obviously). If he does play he will need to be closed down very quickly as he strikes a ball very well with the laces from 20-25 yards.


Mansare is quick and a great dribbler who will play on the left wing.

Despite his skills there is a question mark over end product - Finnan beware, he likes a dive !


Elmander - their star of last season. Not the most prolific but he his strong, quick and has a great awareness of his team-mates - a real handful.

They signed the talented young forward Andre-Pierre Gignac from Lorient on the summer but you'll have to ask one of the French about him as I only know him from YouTube/Dailymotion.



A tougher test than Bordeaux IMO as they do have a decent CF and they don't have Ulrich Rame in goal.

'pool should still do it over 2 legs though.

DD wrote:
2) The pressure is on Liverpool. Especially if they don't manage to score in the away match. Liverpool have everything to lose, while Toulouse less so as the underdogs.

Hence banana peel.

That's the same for every tie though.

Controversy wrote:

DD wrote:
2) The pressure is on Liverpool. Especially if they don't manage to score in the away match. Liverpool have everything to lose, while Toulouse less so as the underdogs.

Hence banana peel.

That's the same for every tie though.

Liverpool (and Arsenal) are head and shoulders above the other competitors, seeded or not. So liverpool, with the 'best' squad and team spirit, has the most to lose because when the playing field gets more and more level - like this match coming so soon - Liverpool loses more of its edge. Other teams don't suffer this in the same way as they are closer to another in terms of quality than Liverpool is.
When the playing field is more level, the odds for a (supposed) upset are shorter.

Dinamo dream of group stage return

NK Dinamo Zagreb can beat Werder Bremen to the UEFA Champions League group stage - so says experienced striker Tomislav Šokota after the second qualifying round defeat of NK Domžale last night.

Confidence

Šokota, who moved back to his first club this summer from FC Porto, was among the scorers as Dinamo beat their Slovenian opponents 3-1 in Zagreb to complete a 5-2 aggregate success. Next week they will be in Germany for the first leg of their tie with Bremen and Šokota, who represented Dinamo in the 1998/99 and 1999/00 group stages, is confident the Croatian champions can end their eight-year wait to return to the competition proper. "We all think now that we can defeat Werder and reach the Champions League," Šokota said. "Although we don't have much time until the match against Werder, not one of us will be feeling tired. In these matches no one can or should be tired and we really believe we can defeat them."

DD wrote:

Controversy wrote:

DD wrote:
2) The pressure is on Liverpool. Especially if they don't manage to score in the away match. Liverpool have everything to lose, while Toulouse less so as the underdogs.

Hence banana peel.

That's the same for every tie though.

Liverpool (and Arsenal) are head and shoulders above the other competitors, seeded or not. So liverpool, with the 'best' squad and team spirit, has the most to lose because when the playing field gets more and more level - like this match coming so soon - Liverpool loses more of its edge. Other teams don't suffer this in the same way as they are closer to another in terms of quality than Liverpool is.
When the playing field is more level, the odds for a (supposed) upset are shorter.

Do you not think that the toulouse players were looking forward to the draw and playing the Finnish champions or something, suddenly find themselves drawn against last year's finalists and might potentially be shitting themselves or even consider themselves to be out already.

I think Toulouse got the hardest draw