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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:54 am

    Winners

    Liverpool
    Even if the nature of their winning goal was fortunate, Liverpool's victory at Villa was both deserved and an almost-perfect statement of intent. Afterwards, Rafa Benitez spoke of the season-long need for "perfection", an encouraging indication that the Spaniard has finally realised that the margin for error in the Premier League is now wafer thin. Every stumble is a step backwards.

    In that respect, Liverpool made a vital jump forwards at Villa Park, winning on the opening weekend for the first time since 2002 and banishing the memory of losing five of their opening six away fixtures. "Finally we have three points from the first league game," exclaimed Dirk Kuyt. "It's very important that you don't lose many points at the start. We have been too far behind in the last few seasons."

    Belief and home advantage will be on Liverpool's side next weekend when Chelski travel north, a match that seems bound to define the opening quarter of the campaign. League dates with Derby, Sunderland, Pompey, Birmingham and Wigan then follow for Benitez's side. If Chelski are defeated on Sunday, put your mortgage on Liverpool being top at the end of September.


    Arsenal
    The reawakening of last season's familiar failings - profligacy, the inability to convincingly defend a corner, the concession of a soft goal from their opponents' first attack - will not have their Big Four rivals quaking, but relief rather than belief still constituted a great escape for Arsene Wenger's side against Fulham.

    "This kind of result can change a team's season," beamed the Frenchman, and his assessment was largely accurate: The consequence of defeat could have been catastrophic for such a young and vulnerable side. Otherwise engaged in midweek whilst the Premier League continues without them (and Liverpool), the scenario in which Arsenal trailed the league leaders by nine points next Sunday after a setback at Blackburn loomed large. There would have been no way back for Wenger's young guns after being written out of the title race in the third week of August.


    Alex Hleb
    Never doubted him.


    Chelski
    Injury crisis, what crisis? Chelski's interminable hypochondria does nothing for their appeal, other than to reinforce accusations of paranoia. Of the 11 players assumed to be first-choice picks this season, only John Terry was not available this weekend. Didier Drogba, supposedly out for the first two weeks of the season, was capable of a half-hour run-out, while Michael Essien, billed as 'another casualty' on Sunday night, has not even been ruled out of the midweek fixture at Reading.

    As with so much of the Chelski era, the distorted public pronouncements are not only an irritant but a self-harming distraction. Far better to rejoice at Jose Mourinho, following a little prompting from Roman Abramovich, finally appreciating the value of "good attacking football". Two defensive lapses, the second by the pathetic Glen Johnson, flattered the visitors. On another day, Chelski's vibrancy would have produced a crushing margin of victory.

    Shaun Wright-Phillips has impressed in pre-season and did so again against Birmingham, while Malouda looks to that rarest of things at Chelski: a big-money bargain signing.


    Blackburn Rovers
    In the short term at least, it is hardly to Blackburn Rovers' detriment that Mark Hughes continues to provide a very skilful and convincing audition to be Sir Alex's successor.

    Look closely at Rovers and two things become apparent. The first is that they possess a decent team. The second is that they are structured on the successful formula endorsed at Old Trafford: a strong defence, a combative midfield, with two wide wingers supplying an athletic strike duo.

    Not quite the real thing, but David Bentley and Morten Gamst Pedersen can provide decent impersonations of David Beckham and Ryan Giggs. Nor has Hughes failed to notice the established value of possessing a large array of strikers. After being hemmed in for the opening 60 minutes, Rovers were able to defeat Middlesbrough courtesy of their two substitutes, Matt Derbyshire and Roque Santa Cruz. The latter could prove to be buy of one of the coups of the summer.

    By contrast, Boro were blunt. Jeremie Aliadiere impressed with his work rate -but then so would a professional 5,000 metre runner.


    Everton
    One of only two Premier League teams - ManYoo being the other - not to include a summer signing in their starting line-up. The Toffees will be a formidable prospect if David Moyes can add a new striker before August 31 .


    Sunderland
    How things change. On their last appearance in the top flight, it took Sunderland 18 attempts before they finally achieved a home victory - against Fulham in May 2006.

    A month earlier, Michael Chopra had also celebrated in front of the home support after coming off the bench to score. Unfortunately, as he was clad in the black and white of Newcastle, their response wasn't quite as rapturous as Saturday's.


    Losers

    Tottenham
    Martin Jol's outburst against his strikers following the defeat at Sunderland was surely deliberately misleading. As in their pre-season fixtures, it was unmistakably apparent at the Stadium of Light that Spurs are painfully deficient in midfield. Aaron Lennon was desperately missed.


    Darren Bent
    The most expensive third-choice striker ever seen in English football.

    Unless Jol opts to introduce a three-pronged strike-force, the question of whether the Tottenham manager would have been wiser to spend big on a central midfielder could haunt him all season.


    ManYoo
    The season wasn't supposed to start like this. As per last August's opening-day mauling of Fulham, ManYoo were meant to record another perfunctory day's work and hit the ground running. Instead, their star striker hit the ground with a broken foot and the champions dropped half as many points on home turf as they did in the first seven months of last season.

    Rooney's demise will hit England harder than ManYoo, yet it is nonetheless a severe setback for Sir Alex Ferguson. The striker's first untroubled pre-season at Old Trafford has gone to waste and the coveted unveiling of his partnership with Carlos Tevez will be delayed by at least two months. Mid-way through a season is hardly the ideal time for a partnership to develop either.

    Tevez is an outstanding replacement for Rooney, and the interminable saga of his transfer has suddenly become indisputably worth the hassle. Yet the rushed nature of his introduction - now likely to be against Portsmouth on Wednesday night - is anything but ideal for a player who took around five months to adapt to his new surroundings at West Ham last season.


    Sir Alex Ferguson
    Credit to Sir Alex. Rather than take understandable umbrage with Reading's eleven-men-behind-the-ball tactics, the ManYoo boss credited his opponents on a job well done. "I can understand anyone coming here and doing that," he gracefully concluded.

    It is an irony of the Premier League that most diversions from predictability tend to be achieved in the most soporific manner.


    Alan Curbishley
    Even Curbishley's growing band of detractors could not have expected the pressure to be ratcheted up so quickly or the odds on the West Ham manager becoming the first Premier League casualty to plunge so spectacularly. Only Wigan's Chris Hutchings is now regarded as more vulnerable.

    While Sven took the plaudits on Saturday night, Curbishley took the brickbats. Nor did matters improve on Sunday morning with Paul Konchesky, managed by Curbishley at both Charlton and Upton Park, telling The People: "There was, and still is, a lot of unhappy players at the club who don't like him. I know there are a lot of players who don't think he is any good. I am sure that is one of the main reasons Carlos Tevez didn't stay at the club, and also why Darren Bent refused to sign for West Ham. It was because of the manager."


    The BBC
    Judging by their back-page headline of 'Allardyce lets win do the talking', The Sunday Telegraph is in cahoots with Match of the Day.

    Contrary to speculation that he was ready to lift his boycott on the BBC following his appointment at Newcastle, Allardyce refused to share his thoughts with the corporation after the Toon's terrific win against his former charges. Big Sam continues to act like a little man.

    The boycott, lest we forget, stems from allegations of impropriety being levelled against the then-Bolton manager by a Panorama investigation. Despite Allardyce's immediate promise of legal recourse against the Beeb, none has been forthcoming. Given that his new bosses at Newcastle have sanctioned a full-scale investigation into the club's financial dealings, it is even more surprising that Allardyce has served up a reminder of this unpalatable state of affairs by continuing to shun BBC reporters.

    For MOTD viewers, a tedious side-affect was the appearance of Nigel Pearson, the Newcastle assistant manager, in Allardyce's place. It is doubtful that anyone outside the Pearson household paid the slightest attention to his musings. The BBC should grow some balls and announce that, unless Allardyce either speaks up or finally issues that long-awaited writ, they'll refuse to broadcast any post-match interviews from the Newcastle camp.


    Aston Villa
    There can be no sympathy for a club that, in early August, is already publicising its willingness to whore out their headquarters for a Christmas party.

    Pete Gill

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    Man City or Sven should have been in the winners section.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:59 am

    Sheffield gunner wrote:

    Sir Alex Ferguson
    Credit to Sir Alex. Rather than take understandable umbrage with Reading's eleven-men-behind-the-ball tactics, the ManYoo boss credited his opponents on a job well done. "I can understand anyone coming here and doing that," he gracefully concluded.


    How does that go into the losers section then. scratch

    He's right about Chelsea as well.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:07 am

    Sheffield gunner wrote:
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    <Ale> Biggrin

    I agree that Sven should have been in there, I guess they have their own pride though after slagging him off for the best part of four years.

    Hopefully Allardyce will start talking to the BBC again, his viewpoint of the game is always an interesting one.
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    Post by debaser Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:10 am

    Sheffield gunner wrote:
    Aston Villa
    There can be no sympathy for a club that, in early August, is already publicising its willingness to whore out their headquarters for a Christmas party.
    je ne comprends pas
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    Post by Bashmachkin Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:26 am

    Its ridiculous that Blackburn and Everton are labelled winners and Newcastle not given a mention besides from a boring and irrelevant point about Allardyce not talking to the BBC. Our win was the most impressive, against a team with more talent than either Middlesbrough or Wigan who Blackburn and Everton played. I can understand Liverpool being in there since they havent won their first game for so long, and I guess Arsenal too considering the negative impact a loss would have had.

    I said in that 'Sack Race' thread I though Curbishley was vulnerable, with a good squad, a decent sum of money spent, but having been turned down by a few players and showing no signs that he is really capable of leading a team towards the top section of the league.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:30 am

    The Darren Bent thing is ridiculous! Ok, he doesn't start one game - how the hell does this imbecile know that its a sign that he won't be started for the rest of the season!

    And when were Spurs ever after a decent central midfielder! their priority was a left winger! Doh

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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:34 am

    Bashmachkin wrote: against a team with more talent than Middlesbrough

    nah
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:34 am

    Darren Bent only got about 20 minutes as well. Laughing
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:36 am

    Parks lives wrote:Darren Bent only got about 20 minutes as well. Laughing

    20 minutes more than Anderson and Tevez did Razz
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    Post by robert Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:37 am

    Hmm I must have missed Bent's involvement in the copa America then...
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:41 am

    robert wrote:Hmm I must have missed Bent's involvement in the copa America then...

    Tevez apparently didn't start because he lacked match fitness - so how does that fit in?

    The Copa America finished weeks ago anyway.

    Its common practice to ease a new player into the squad anyhow
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    Post by Bashmachkin Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:45 am

    borocooper wrote:
    Bashmachkin wrote: against a team with more talent than Middlesbrough

    nah

    I dont know, Im not saying that Bolton are particularly better than Middlesbrough or will necessarily finish above you this season, I was just thinking that, with Anelka, Diouf, Nolan, Faye, Speed, they might have one or two more talented players. But you have in Woodgate a real top class player, then a few like Yakubu, Arca, Downing, so theres maybe not a big difference. I still think a 3-1 away at Bolton is a better result than a 2-1 away at Middlesbrough.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:48 am

    Tweedle wrote:
    robert wrote:Hmm I must have missed Bent's involvement in the copa America then...

    Tevez apparently didn't start because he lacked match fitness - so how does that fit in?

    The Copa America finished weeks ago anyway.

    Its common practice to ease a new player into the squad anyhow

    Not sure why you brang them up Twoodle. I was agreeing with you that blaming Darren Bent was stupid.
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    Post by robert Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:49 am

    Tweedle wrote:
    robert wrote:Hmm I must have missed Bent's involvement in the copa America then...

    Tevez apparently didn't start because he lacked match fitness - so how does that fit in?

    The Copa America finished weeks ago anyway.

    Its common practice to ease a new player into the squad anyhow

    It fits in because it was that tournament that gave Tevez and Anderson extended holidays during the bulk of pre-season whereas Bent on the other hand has had a full pre-season under his belt and really should have played yesterday the whole 90 mins since I thought he was sharper than all the others.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:52 am

    Tweedle wrote:The Copa America finished weeks ago anyway.

    Its common practice to ease a new player into the squad anyhow
    You are aware that Gilberto Silva is due back in early September.

    Its three weeks holiday and another three to four weeks of fitness and pre-season work.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:55 am

    Bashmachkin wrote:
    borocooper wrote:
    Bashmachkin wrote: against a team with more talent than Middlesbrough

    nah

    I dont know, Im not saying that Bolton are particularly better than Middlesbrough or will necessarily finish above you this season, I was just thinking that, with Anelka, Diouf, Nolan, Faye, Speed, they might have one or two more talented players. But you have in Woodgate a real top class player, then a few like Yakubu, Arca, Downing, so theres maybe not a big difference. I still think a 3-1 away at Bolton is a better result than a 2-1 away at Middlesbrough.

    True since we were actually missing Woodgate, Huth, Pogatetz and Young...which is most of our defence.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:56 am

    @ parky

    I brought it up because I thought you were agreeing with him!

    At least he managed to put us in the winners section for once. I think its only the third time I've seen us there. BAsh has a point as well. Its a travesty that Newcastle aren't in the winners section
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:10 pm

    In the interest of balance I have to point out that it's harsh putting Man U in the losers section when they didn't (lose that is).

    But TBH this column is all about having something to write about every week so it's all triumph or disaster.

    If we lose to Chelsea expect 'Liverpool condemned to Prem failure' again.
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    Post by robert Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:14 pm

    It's 2 dropped points in our easiest of 3 matches. If that doesn't constitute losing I don't know what does.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:19 pm

    If we do you a favour and beat Chelsea I don't reckon those 2pts will make a difference at the end of the season.
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    Post by COTR Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:20 pm

    Tweedle wrote:The Darren Bent thing is ridiculous! Ok, he doesn't start one game - how the hell does this imbecile know that its a sign that he won't be started for the rest of the season!

    And when were Spurs ever after a decent central midfielder! their priority was a left winger! Doh

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    surely the point he was making is not to do with darren bent's talent but more the actual need to sign him

    spurs clearly needed quality midfielders ahead of another striker so the 16 million could have been far more wisely spent
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:20 pm

    We need to win two in a row now. 7 points out of 3 games and it looks respectable again. Anything less is a poor return.
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    Post by robert Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:20 pm

    The dropped points wouldn't be a problem if we had fit strikers to call on which we don't.
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    Post by Romford Pele Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:22 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:The Darren Bent thing is ridiculous! Ok, he doesn't start one game - how the hell does this imbecile know that its a sign that he won't be started for the rest of the season!

    And when were Spurs ever after a decent central midfielder! their priority was a left winger! Doh

    imbecile

    surely the point he was making is not to do with darren bent's talent but more the actual need to sign him

    spurs clearly needed quality midfielders ahead of another striker so the 16 million could have been far more wisely spent

    <Ale> Too true

    They will struggle with all the hype they are receiving. I promise you they will flatter to deceive.

    Forza young english talent!!.... sure Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Dwarf Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:26 pm

    Blackburn definitely don't deserve a section that long, nor do Everton for beating the least feared side in the league at home.

    Not that they'd heed that advice and instead they leave out the two most interesting mid table sides on the first day.
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    Post by Zack Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:42 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:
    COTR wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:The Darren Bent thing is ridiculous! Ok, he doesn't start one game - how the hell does this imbecile know that its a sign that he won't be started for the rest of the season!

    And when were Spurs ever after a decent central midfielder! their priority was a left winger! Doh

    imbecile

    surely the point he was making is not to do with darren bent's talent but more the actual need to sign him

    spurs clearly needed quality midfielders ahead of another striker so the 16 million could have been far more wisely spent

    <Ale> Too true

    They will struggle with all the hype they are receiving. I promise you they will flatter to deceive.

    Forza young english talent!!.... sure Rolling Eyes

    Well its a good thing that the season doesn't end after 1 Game, huh? Atleast we have another 37 games to climb up the league table.......

    Like I ve said a million times, the performance was bad, but I am pretty positive that we will come good, starting with Everton tommorow....and I aint going to base our whole season from just ONE game...

    We still have decent midfielders still to play a part in our midfield and perhaps a left wing signing......

    You could have easily lost against fulham at home, but you didn't, but if you did, people would have questioned your challenge for a Top 4 place....but I am sure as fans, you lot would laugh at that possiblity knowing that there still a LONG way to go in the season.....

    Its the same as us....
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    Post by Sgoater1 Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:44 pm

    They fucking hate city and sven so not surprised they forgot that we had one of the best results of the weekend.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:48 pm

    Arguaby THE result of the weekend goater - only Newcastle's is in the same ballpark, and that's more of because of Sam's Bolton links. Edit - or Sunderland although the very very late nature of the goal maybe detracts a little bit.

    Keep it up against those fellas from Salford Wink
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    Post by Luis Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:00 pm

    Everton in the winners section, the easiest game of the whole season!
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:03 pm

    The first ten games of a season are key. After ten games you generally have a decent picture of who is going to have a good first season and who will struggle.

    Its a massive boost to have a good first ten games to morale

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