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    Ballack: betrayal or sensible offloading?

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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:25 pm

    S4P wrote:
    Ungarn Uber Alles wrote:
    We all go on about how Cr@p Lampard is and how great Ballack is, and that Ballack is the man for that position in midfield, but what is the use of saying all this if the bloke cant prove it on the pitch? To make matters worse, Flumps is scoring for fun again this season just as he does every season and yet still gets flack based on effectively being sh*t for England where the system also doesnt suit him, just like Ballack plays at international level a system that suits him but not at Chelsea. Flip reversal.

    So yet Lampard should make way for Ballack according to the boffins on here?

    I think Ballack should either knuckle down and prove what a good player he is, or pack his bags and leave. Chelsea are indeed partially to blame, but then they were in their treatment of SWP last season for example where the kid hardly got any time on the pitch and left open for ridicule. The reaction? He's now playing the best football of his career since he was tearing it up at Man City. Ditto Drogba. Time for Ballack to take note

    Would the Germans on here say that Ballack deserves his spot in the team ahead of Mikel? It was Mikel who effectively took Ballack's spot after some superb performances in the 2nd half of last season. Ale

    I don't quite get the direct Mikel comparison, as he clear has a rather more defensive role than Ballack did/would in your system.

    I'm not saying Ballack would or should get into your first team the way you play. Clearly he can't, either on form for you guys, fitness or in terms of the systems you play/insist on playing.

    But what has happened here is something else entirely. What do YOU, as a Chelsea fan, think? Do you support the decision? Did you read the Honigstein article? What do you think of that?
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:33 pm

    Good work Bashmach – "Betrogen! Betrogen! Einmal dem Fehlläuten der Nachtglocke gefolgt - es ist niemals gutzumachen."
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:36 am

    Posted this in the Chelsea thread already, but it makes sense here as well:

    German national team doctor Müller-Wohlfahrt, one of the best and most renown specialists in the world, has examined Ballack's ankle, and declared Ballack to be fit soon, and ready to play. Ballack then went to Adidas, where they measured his foot for a new pair of customised boots.

    The pain he had to suffer in the last few months were due to a wrong rehab training programme by Chelsea doctor Bryan English, who had made a wrong diagnosis earlier already. English had demanded Ballack to stop the rehab programme in Munich under Müller-Wohlfahrt, and follow his (wrong and counterproductive) instructions.

    http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1666178.html (German article)
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:31 am


    Mourinho puts Ballack to the test

    Duncan Castles
    Sunday September 9, 2007
    The Observer


    Jose Mourinho will offer Michael Ballack a final chance to resurrect his Chelsea career if the Germany midfielder responds well to being left out of the club's Champions League squad.

    Reduced to selecting a maximum of 23 senior professionals by Uefa's new 'three plus three' homegrown player rule, the Chelsea manager has removed Ballack from his squad list for the competition's group stage. Officially, Ballack was omitted because 'at the time of the squad submission deadline, [the club] could not guarantee his availability for the majority of the group phase games'.

    Mourinho's intention, however, was to challenge Ballack to accelerate his recovery from an ankle injury that has frustrated both himself and the Chelsea medical staff. He believes the German will respond in one of two ways - either push himself to prove Mourinho wrong, in which case the midfielder will be available for selection again, or sulk at his omission, which will make it easier for the coach to leave Ballack on the sidelines and ultimately move him to another club.

    The pair's relationship has been fragile since April when Ballack had a piece of bone removed from his ankle by Germany national team doctor Hans Muller-Wohlfahrt without first informing the coach. Mourinho had expected to have Ballack available for the Champions League semi-final against Liverpool, and initially called for the player's contract to be cancelled.

    Ballack subsequently demonstrated that the operation had been necessary and his injury misdiagnosed by Chelsea's doctors, but required further surgery in the summer and has not trained since. While the player has felt well enough to play golf recently and resumed jogging last week, Chelsea have been unable to set a definite date for a return to first-team duty as the player continues to suffer unexplained pain in his wound.

    Over the close season, Mourinho made it clear that Ballack stands last in line for a place in his revamped midfield four. Having defended the player for the majority of a problematic first season in English football, he was prepared to offload him to Real Madrid in the transfer window. According to Madrid coach Bernd Schuster, that move was stymied because of Ballack's £121,000-a-week wages and his representative's demands for a seven-figure agent's fee.

    Chelsea have since said that they have no plans to sell Ballack in the January window, while Roman Abramovich is understood to have been unaware of Ballack's omission from the Champions League squad until after its announcement. The club's owner is thought to be unimpressed by the dropping of a player who was the joint-highest-paid individual at the club last season.

    The decision has also been questioned by Germany coach Joachim Low, who will request a meeting with Mourinho after this week's Euro 2008 qualifier against the Republic of Ireland. Low will first meet in Cologne with Ballack, who went back to Germany last Thursday to allow Muller-Wohlfahrt to re-examine his ankle.

    Life is more straightforward at Arsenal, where Arsene Wenger last week signed a three-year contract extension taking him through to the summer of 2011. There are no get-out clauses in the deal, which includes an immediate pay rise to £4m a year. The Arsenal manager said that the unwavering support of the club was a key to his commitment to them.

    'I have had many moments when I have felt down because we have lost a big game but I never ever had any doubts that I did not have the support of the club,' said Wenger. 'When I first arrived many people talked badly about me and I never had the feeling that there was any lack of trust or support from the board. I have never felt disappointed on that front. As for all the rest well you are ready to suffer and work very hard for your success.'

    Fifa and the IOC have told England's women they will not be eligible to qualify for the 2008 Olympic football tournament in Beijing by finishing as one of the top three European countries at this year's World Cup, as is open to the other four European teams competing, writes Anna Kessel. In the event of England finishing in the top three European teams, they will have to forfeit their place.

    The issue relates to Article 5.1 of the regulations of the Olympic Football Tournament Beijing 2008, which states that an association affiliated to Fifa may only participate providing there is a national Olympic committee in the respective country. The problem for England of course is that the BOA represents Great Britain, not England.

    The British Olympic Association expressed disbelief at the decision, having been given assurances by Fifa last May that this would not pose a problem.

    In the interim no issues were raised by Fifa until the letter of July 2007 sent to all European FA's outlining Fifa's latest interpretation of Article 5.1. The BOA have appealed against the ruling and on Friday were waiting anxiously for the IOC to broker a decision with Fifa ahead of the World Cup tournament, which begins tomorrow, but it was to no avail.

    http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2165480,00.html


    What 'test'? If Ballack performs well for Chelsea in the next few months, he'll most probably will be match fit very soon (a matter of a few weeks tops), Chelsea can't play him in the CL group stages regardless, as Honigstein correctly pointed out in the article I posted earlier in this thread.

    What an utterly retarded move, by an arrogant c**t of a coach, 'punishing' his player for the mistakes of his neanderthal doc who still keeps fucking up (diagnosis and rehab), not his first fuckup mind you, and definitely not last.

    Whatever, Ballack has only himself to blame for a) moving there in first place, and b) not moving this summer. He has to deal with the consequences.
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    Post by S4P Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:24 am

    Allez les rouges wrote:
    I don't quite get the direct Mikel comparison, as he clear has a rather more defensive role than Ballack did/would in your system.

    Mikel has effectively taken Ballack's place in a 3-man midfield. When everyone is fit, I think the main CM will now be Mikel-Essien-Lampard instead of Essien-Ballack-Lampard. That was my point I was trying to make. Ale

    Allez les rouges wrote:I'm not saying Ballack would or should get into your first team the way you play. Clearly he can't, either on form for you guys, fitness or in terms of the systems you play/insist on playing.

    But what has happened here is something else entirely. What do YOU, as a Chelsea fan, think? Do you support the decision? Did you read the Honigstein article? What do you think of that?

    He hasn't played in the new system yet so maybe it's a bit unfair to say he can't play in it.

    As for the 2nd paragraph, I think our manager has listened to the club doctors, who have said 'November at the very earliest, more likely December' in terms of when he makes his comeback. If they are right, then I think leaving him out of the squad is a smart move because it means the manager cannot be tempted to play him injured should we have any injury problems. If the doc is wrong, it's a stupid move because he is an asset for the team in the CL (certainly more so than Lampard imo).

    Only time will tell whether it was the right decision or not. Ale
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:47 pm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/6993374.stm

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    Post by TM Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:49 pm

    Real have made it clear ballack will have to take a 50% pay cut to join Real.

    I personally hope we dont sign him.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:23 pm

    TM wrote:Real have made it clear ballack will have to take a 50% pay cut to join Real.

    I personally hope we dont sign him.

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    "Unannehmbar" (unacceptable)

    (This is joke by the way Blut/Allez, my loveable Germanic twins. Lets not fight again hey, I couldnt sleep for days after our last row ;-) )
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    Post by Mexicanbecks Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:29 pm

    TM wrote:Real have made it clear ballack will have to take a 50% pay cut to join Real.

    I personally hope we dont sign him.

    id guti starts to drop in form like he's prone to than i wouldnt mind ballack for the Cl
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:56 am

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    Post by Football Genius Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:36 pm

    TM wrote:Real have made it clear ballack will have to take a 50% pay cut to join Real.

    I personally hope we dont sign him.

    Hes been Cr@p at Chelsea, has been given his preferred position a shed load of money and lots of games.

    I think you'd be right not to bother with him.
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:38 pm

    Its all about the money apparently. Real want to offer him about £20,000 less than his present deal. He'd still earn over £100,000 a week though!

    So much for German footballers being model citizens hey.... Whistle
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:38 pm

    FG called the manager, his man management isn't geared to managing huge stars pre-made before he gets them. hence shave and ballack have both struggled, and malouda has intimated that he is struggling with a few issues in terms of settling in.

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