Italia- Euro 2008 Qualifying Thread

Deano Ashton (ENG)(ITA) wrote:

bluenine wrote:Not a convincing win, but Italy did enough and showed purpose against Georgia. It will do.

After Foggia made his debut yesterday, looks like Donadoni is about to hand debuts to Rosina and Montolivo in the friendly against South Africa!! Thats a good move, I think Rosina can take over Quagliarella's spot if he continues to under perform. And Montolivo could prove to be an excellent back up for Pirlo in the long run.

Also in the defence, Gamberini & Dossena could get some action, and so could Cannavaro jr. New call ups also include Nocerino!

This is good, the new generation are being given their chance at last!!

IMUST be an improvement...

I hope not!

What will happen if two teams have the same amount of points at the end? Will the team with the better goal difference will go through or will it depend on the results of these two teams against each other?

Alive and Kicking wrote:What will happen if two teams have the same amount of points at the end? Will the team with the better goal difference will go through or will it depend on the results of these two teams against each other?

It will depend on the results first. France will qualify if we have the same amount of points than Italy.

Napoléon wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:What will happen if two teams have the same amount of points at the end? Will the team with the better goal difference will go through or will it depend on the results of these two teams against each other?

It will depend on the results first. France will qualify if we have the same amount of points than Italy.

To do that you must win both yours and hope we don't win both ours.

Are you looking forward to being a neutral for Euro 2008?

france are definitely through if they win both of their games, because italy and scotland can't both reach 28pts.

debaser wrote:france are definitely through if they win both of their games, because italy and scotland can't both reach 28pts.

Yeah, I meant if we finish on the same points. Ukraine will hopefully stop them anyway.

Deano Ashton (ENG)(ITA) wrote:

debaser wrote:france are definitely through if they win both of their games, because italy and scotland can't both reach 28pts.

Yeah, I meant if we finish on the same points. Ukraine will hopefully stop them anyway.

If you lose against Scotland, a draw in Ukraine would be enough for us.

Be careful, I don't want Italy elimination, but France qualification. I think, between the 3 teams, we have the hardest job : a win in Ukrainia. And first we have to beat Lituania.

So good luck Italy...

Napoléon wrote:

Deano Ashton (ENG)(ITA) wrote:

debaser wrote:france are definitely through if they win both of their games, because italy and scotland can't both reach 28pts.

Yeah, I meant if we finish on the same points. Ukraine will hopefully stop them anyway.

If you lose against Scotland, a draw in Ukraine would be enough for us.

Be careful, I don't want Italy elimination, but France qualification. I think, between the 3 teams, we have the hardest job : a win in Ukrainia. And first we have to beat Lituania.

So good luck Italy...

Merci Napoléon...Thats about the nicest thing you've said about Italy. Personally as long as we go through I'm happy...so good luck to you too

A draw in Scotland will almost send Italy though.
Forza Georgia.

Yeah well...Scotland at Hampden isn't easy.

I think it will be harder for Italy to win in Scotland than France in Ukraine, because Scotland can still qualify, whereas Ukraine is out already. I don't think Scotland will win, nore Ukraine will, but this can happen nonetheless. With the loss of Scotland against Georgia, things do look better for Italy and France though.

Alive and Kicking wrote:I think it will be harder for Italy to win in Scotland than France in Ukraine, because Scotland can still qualify, whereas Ukraine is out already. I don't think Scotland will win, nore Ukraine will, but this can happen nonetheless. With the loss of Scotland against Georgia, things do look better for Italy and France though.

Italy can also draw though...

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:I think it will be harder for Italy to win in Scotland than France in Ukraine, because Scotland can still qualify, whereas Ukraine is out already. I don't think Scotland will win, nore Ukraine will, but this can happen nonetheless. With the loss of Scotland against Georgia, things do look better for Italy and France though.

Italy can also draw though...

If you want to have a chance to not see France at Euro and be sure Italy will go through, a draw is the best result for you

basically we need France to lose against Ukraine, and a draw against Italy. Then it would be Italy and Scotland through to the finals.

Possible line-up for tonight?
Mine:
---------------------Amelia-------------------
Zambrotta -- Bonera -- Barzagli -- Grosso
---------Perotta -- Pirlo -- De Rossi---------
--------Iaquinta -- Toni -- Palladino---------

Quagliarella, Gilardino and Lucarelli start on 2nd half.

I agree, except for Chiellini should start - he has more ability and future than Bonera.

Quagmiester also should get one half, and I hope we don't see Gila.... last thing I want is for Gila to score against Faroe and get into the Euro2008 squad... For the 6 striker positions, I want to see the following next summer:

1. Toni
2. Iaquinta
3. Quagliarella
4. Di Natale
5. Lucarelli / Vieri / Rocchi (as Toni back-up)
6. Rosina / Palladino / Foggia (as winger back-up + future planning)

I don't wanna see the Milan pair - Gilardino (too wasteful) or Inzaghi (end of story + never liked him much).

3zycupid wrote:Possible line-up for tonight?
Mine:
---------------------Amelia-------------------
Zambrotta -- Bonera -- Barzagli -- Grosso
---------Perotta -- Pirlo -- De Rossi---------
--------Iaquinta -- Toni -- Palladino---------

Quagliarella, Gilardino and Lucarelli start on 2nd half.

Italia: 4-2-3-1

The Team: Amelia ; Oddo, Cannavaro, Chiellini, Grosso ; De Rossi, Ambrosini ; Palladino, Perrotta, Iaquinta ; Toni

In Bench: Buffon, Bonera, Panucci, Gattuso, Quagliarella, Gilardino, Lucarelli

Not the team i expected, but lots of flexibility. Congratulations to Canna for now overtaking Zoff

bluenine wrote:I agree, except for Chiellini should start - he has more ability and future than Bonera.

Quagmiester also should get one half, and I hope we don't see Gila.... last thing I want is for Gila to score against Faroe and get into the Euro2008 squad... For the 6 striker positions, I want to see the following next summer:

1. Toni
2. Iaquinta
3. Quagliarella
4. Di Natale
5. Lucarelli / Vieri / Rocchi (as Toni back-up)
6. Rosina / Palladino / Foggia (as winger back-up + future planning)

I don't wanna see the Milan pair - Gilardino (too wasteful) or Inzaghi (end of story + never liked him much).

3zycupid wrote:Possible line-up for tonight?
Mine:
---------------------Amelia-------------------
Zambrotta -- Bonera -- Barzagli -- Grosso
---------Perotta -- Pirlo -- De Rossi---------
--------Iaquinta -- Toni -- Palladino---------

Quagliarella, Gilardino and Lucarelli start on 2nd half.

you dont think cassano can make it?

Cassano? Not at the rate he is going!! He will have to have a truely remarkable second half of the season to make the cut...

Also, Donadoni's current system does not suit players like Cassano/DP/etc. The"Trequartista" position has been done away with since Totti retired, and IMO it was the right decision. There is little suture for the classic Trequartista's in modern football. How many Serie A clubs use a classic Trequartista anyways?? I can only think of Milan (Kaka). Italy now have no one of that level. Even if I look at the kids, the only ones who could do justice to this role would be Giovinco, Rosina, Rossi, and maybe Montolivo. Of these, Giovinco & Montolivo could easily be converted into "Pirlo's" rather than "Totti's", while Rosina can be converted into a attacking winger. The only pure Trequartista who will be difficult to adjust in any other role is probably Rossi, and its too early to predict whether he will mature well enough to match the likes of Totti/Baggio/Rivera/Mazzola/etc. Hence I feel that the days of the Trequartista are probably behind us....

BoBo Vieri wrote:

bluenine wrote:I agree, except for Chiellini should start - he has more ability and future than Bonera.

Quagmiester also should get one half, and I hope we don't see Gila.... last thing I want is for Gila to score against Faroe and get into the Euro2008 squad... For the 6 striker positions, I want to see the following next summer:

1. Toni
2. Iaquinta
3. Quagliarella
4. Di Natale
5. Lucarelli / Vieri / Rocchi (as Toni back-up)
6. Rosina / Palladino / Foggia (as winger back-up + future planning)

I don't wanna see the Milan pair - Gilardino (too wasteful) or Inzaghi (end of story + never liked him much).

3zycupid wrote:Possible line-up for tonight?
Mine:
---------------------Amelia-------------------
Zambrotta -- Bonera -- Barzagli -- Grosso
---------Perotta -- Pirlo -- De Rossi---------
--------Iaquinta -- Toni -- Palladino---------

Quagliarella, Gilardino and Lucarelli start on 2nd half.

you dont think cassano can make it?

bluenine wrote:Cassano? Not at the rate he is going!! He will have to have a truely remarkable second half of the season to make the cut...

Also, Donadoni's current system does not suit players like Cassano/DP/etc. The"Trequartista" position has been done away with since Totti retired, and IMO it was the right decision. There is little suture for the classic Trequartista's in modern football. How many Serie A clubs use a classic Trequartista anyways?? I can only think of Milan (Kaka). Italy now have no one of that level. Even if I look at the kids, the only ones who could do justice to this role would be Giovinco, Rosina, Rossi, and maybe Montolivo. Of these, Giovinco & Montolivo could easily be converted into "Pirlo's" rather than "Totti's", while Rosina can be converted into a attacking winger. The only pure Trequartista who will be difficult to adjust in any other role is probably Rossi, and its too early to predict whether he will mature well enough to match the likes of Totti/Baggio/Rivera/Mazzola/etc. Hence I feel that the days of the Trequartista are probably behind us....

BoBo Vieri wrote:

bluenine wrote:I agree, except for Chiellini should start - he has more ability and future than Bonera.

Quagmiester also should get one half, and I hope we don't see Gila.... last thing I want is for Gila to score against Faroe and get into the Euro2008 squad... For the 6 striker positions, I want to see the following next summer:

1. Toni
2. Iaquinta
3. Quagliarella
4. Di Natale
5. Lucarelli / Vieri / Rocchi (as Toni back-up)
6. Rosina / Palladino / Foggia (as winger back-up + future planning)

I don't wanna see the Milan pair - Gilardino (too wasteful) or Inzaghi (end of story + never liked him much).

3zycupid wrote:Possible line-up for tonight?
Mine:
---------------------Amelia-------------------
Zambrotta -- Bonera -- Barzagli -- Grosso
---------Perotta -- Pirlo -- De Rossi---------
--------Iaquinta -- Toni -- Palladino---------

Quagliarella, Gilardino and Lucarelli start on 2nd half.

you dont think cassano can make it?

I think Cassano could play on the left (where Di Natale plays).

A front 3 of:
------------Toni--------------
Cassano--------Quagliarella
Would be nice. But yeh Cassano just keeps injured, must be frustrating for him. However, Don really likes him so if he starts even showing glimpses of his old self he could get the call.

Also BN, are you worried about how Don always seems to play Ambrosini in midfield over De Rossi. For some reason, Don thinks De Rossi is competing with Pirlo for a spot on the team!

Also, Oddo should still be ahead of Panucci IMO. Panucci scored a great header but fact is that hes weak defensively and the fact that hes 34 doesnt help either.

One more thing, do u think Materazzi will win his place back in the inter team? Samuel and Cordoba have been pretty impressive.

Interesting views, Bobo.

BoBo Vieri wrote:
I think Cassano could play on the left (where Di Natale plays).

A front 3 of:
------------Toni--------------
Cassano--------Quagliarella
Would be nice. But yeh Cassano just keeps injured, must be frustrating for him. However, Don really likes him so if he starts even showing glimpses of his old self he could get the call.

Its possible, tho Cassano is a bit slow and this could impact the speed of the attacks... but that can be counter balanced by including Iaquinta on the other wing. However, this is not Cassano's natural position, and can only work if he is in top (read unstoppable) form. I think that is very unlikley.

Don really likes Vieri too, and I think Bobo has a much better chance of making it the way he is playing. Vieri+Toni, if both are in form how deadly that could be?!

BoBo Vieri wrote:
Also BN, are you worried about how Don always seems to play Ambrosini in midfield over De Rossi. For some reason, Don thinks De Rossi is competing with Pirlo for a spot on the team!

I think Ambrosini gets the nod coz of his experience and his great understanding with the other 2 in the midfield. I am sure De Rossi will start most of the games, and only when Donadoni wants to be cautious (against a big team or high pressure game) Ambrosini will start. Staring De Rossi instead of Pirlo today is an experiment only, I doubt Don thinks they are substitutes. IMO Aquilani is the Pirlo replacement in Donadoni's mind, but he is injured.

BoBo Vieri wrote:
Also, Oddo should still be ahead of Panucci IMO. Panucci scored a great header but fact is that hes weak defensively and the fact that hes 34 doesnt help either.

I agree. And hopefully thats how it will be. Oddo should be the first choice RB.

BoBo Vieri wrote:One more thing, do u think Materazzi will win his place back in the inter team? Samuel and Cordoba have been pretty impressive.

Yeah, Matrix will win his place back... for sure. He is a champ. However, none of them are getting any younger, I guess Mancio will just rotate all of them equally.

15 minutes: Italy 1-0 Faroe

2-0 Toni

3-0 Great goal from Chiellini

So far Palladino had a good game, very lively on the left flank.

Chiellini's goal--Che Bello!

53' Canna off Bonera on

58' Quagliarella on for Ambrosini