Argentinian squad for WC qualifiers

Goalkeepers: Roberto Abbondanzieri (Getafe), Oscar Ustari (Getafe)

Defenders; Daniel Diaz (Getafe), Gabriel Heinze (Real Madrid), Gabriel Milito (Barcelona), Fabricio Coloccini (Deportivo Coruna), Javier Zanetti (Inter), Nicolas Burdisso (Inter), Martin Demichelis (Bayern Munich)

Midfielders: Fernando Gago (Real Madrid), Maximiliano Rodriguez (Atletico Madrid), Jonas Gutierrez (Real Mallorca), Juan Roman Riquelme (Villarreal), Esteban Cambiasso (Inter), Javier Mascherano (Liverpool), Federico Insua (America-Mexico)

Forwards: Javier Saviola (Real Madrid), Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Sergio Aguero (Atletico Madrid), Carlos Tevez (Manchester United)

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Ayala has not been called up, so we are likely to see Diaz or Burdisso partner Milito in defence. And the midfield is probably going to have Cambiasso, Mascherano, Riquelme, and either Maxi or Gago. Attack should be Aguero and Messi, though Tevez might start over the Atletico man.

Please stop calling op zanetti its time to give someone else a chance and hope he is ready by 2010, Argentina really need a striker taller than 5'3", but i guess he want just appear for out of tin air. apart from that i think they have the best squad of players in the world.

Messiah wrote:Please stop calling op zanetti its time to give someone else a chance and hope he is ready by 2010, Argentina really need a striker taller than 5'3", but i guess he want just appear for out of tin air. apart from that i think they have the best squad of players in the world.

Yeah, I'm surprised there is no place for Crespor or Diego Milito.

i like diego millito but he's too slwo for international football imho

Jaime wrote:

Messiah wrote:Please stop calling op zanetti its time to give someone else a chance and hope he is ready by 2010, Argentina really need a striker taller than 5'3", but i guess he want just appear for out of tin air. apart from that i think they have the best squad of players in the world.

Yeah, I'm surprised there is no place for Crespor or Diego Milito.

you guys has better start giving Higuain some playing time in the Striker's position

Higuain, that fooking goal apart imho has been a disapointment as has gago. They really should be good enough to be undroppable but its not how its proving.

kas wrote:Goalkeepers: Roberto Abbondanzieri (Getafe), Oscar Ustari (Getafe)

Defenders; Daniel Diaz (Getafe), Gabriel Heinze (Real Madrid), Gabriel Milito (Barcelona), Fabricio Coloccini (Deportivo Coruna), Javier Zanetti (Inter), Nicolas Burdisso (Inter), Martin Demichelis (Bayern Munich)

Midfielders: Fernando Gago (Real Madrid), Maximiliano Rodriguez (Atletico Madrid), Jonas Gutierrez (Real Mallorca), Juan Roman Riquelme (Villarreal), Esteban Cambiasso (Inter), Javier Mascherano (Liverpool), Federico Insua (America-Mexico)

Forwards: Javier Saviola (Real Madrid), Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Sergio Aguero (Atletico Madrid), Carlos Tevez (Manchester United)

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Only one FB, mostly CM and four little hobbits as forwards. This will be a fucking narrow team. how on earth are we going to play wide with this players? Coloccini???Insua????Jesus our football is going down...I hope they loose so that the drunk bastard makes some changes or else is forced to quit. The national team is dead to me

Yeah I was very surprised. It's a collection of defensive central midfielders and similar support strikers. Which matches will this squad play?

yep Higuain has been a huge disappoint to me has well when he was at river a was in aw of him really thought that he would be push the lives of tevez and messi as to how are argentina's best young players, gaga was very good when Capello gave him a chance.

So considering the drunkard's history the starting XI will be:

-----------------Abbondanzieri-----------

Zanetti------Demichelis------Milito-------Heinze

Maxi------------Mascherano-------Cambiasso(what a waste of a player)

-----------------Roman--------

Messi----------------------------Tevez/Aguero/Saviolita


cero attack on the left and we'll be depending on some genius mov e by Messi or Roman, or Aguero to score...nothing new

What do you think about Alessandro? Is he ever going to get in the national team?

That must be the smallest forward line in world football surely?

kas wrote:Goalkeepers: Roberto Abbondanzieri (Getafe), Oscar Ustari (Getafe)

Defenders; Daniel Diaz (Getafe), Gabriel Heinze (Real Madrid), Gabriel Milito (Barcelona), Fabricio Coloccini (Deportivo Coruna), Javier Zanetti (Inter), Nicolas Burdisso (Inter), Martin Demichelis (Bayern Munich)

Midfielders: Fernando Gago (Real Madrid), Maximiliano Rodriguez (Atletico Madrid), Jonas Gutierrez (Real Mallorca), Juan Roman Riquelme (Villarreal), Esteban Cambiasso (Inter), Javier Mascherano (Liverpool), Federico Insua (America-Mexico)

Forwards: Javier Saviola (Real Madrid), Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Sergio Aguero (Atletico Madrid), Carlos Tevez (Manchester United)

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Ayala has not been called up, so we are likely to see Diaz or Burdisso partner Milito in defence. And the midfield is probably going to have Cambiasso, Mascherano, Riquelme, and either Maxi or Gago. Attack should be Aguero and Messi, though Tevez might start over the Atletico man.

Hasn't Ayala retired from international football?

Are there any promising full-backs in Argentina?

is this squad the first choice squad or some players injured??

looks not really impressive

@EMP: I can't remember, he may well have done so.

@Deisler: I think it's the first choice squad. The only major injury coming to mind is Crespo...so you're right, it doesn't look as imposing as recent Argentina squads.

kas wrote:@EMP: I can't remember, he may well have done so.

@Deisler: I think it's the first choice squad. The only major injury coming to mind is Crespo...so you're right, it doesn't look as imposing as recent Argentina squads.

If I remember rightly, he played badly in the final of the tournament in the summer against Brasil and announced his retirement after that match.

No Cristian Ledesma !?

Argentina are well overrated anyway.

Too small and weak.

It might not be the most impressive or balanced Argentinian squad/team, but despite being hobbits, Messi and Tevez can still tear most defences a new one. Its not like they're going for the longball approach anyway.

The defence is still more than decent and in theory, the midfield as well. On paper however, the midifeld is too narrow and doesn't have the class of previous ones and Cambiasso is wasted.

The keeper is dodgy and they're too dependent on Messi - Messi has effectively turned into a targetman but a (talented) mobile one. Not sure if this system will work. If you just give Messi a kicking Argentinia are shafted.

That is, if the ball reaches Messi at all: If you harrass Riquelme all game and don't give him an inch, the ball's never going to reach Messi. That's Riquelme neutralised.
That's because the three CMs keep the field too narrow and are playing behind Tristelme to begin with - the midfield was already hampered & unbalanced, and playing behind Riquelme in this formation doesn't help the cause. Roman effectively is the link up man between the midfield and attack. Not too mention that the team can also only depend on Zannetti as fullback.
Thus, in the situation that roman is off his game (either on that day or due to excellent defending/harrassing) the midfield will be reduced to hoofballs, which, with two hobbits upfront, isn't really a recipe for success.

Unless Argentinia get a tall first striker or one of the CMs suddenly decides to become a class winger overnight, this team will struggle and are very likely to produce some agonizingly frustrating football. This despite the class of most players. Its just too unbalanced.
In a balanced midfield clash Argentina will struggle more than their opponent in this set-up and will really be reduced to a counter team (="Quikly! Pass the ball to Messi!").
Of course, when Argentina score first they'll have the upperhand, but they need to get that first goal. Most defintely not a team balanced enough to chase the game (the midfield).

Verdict: not balanced and looks like too easily neutralised. Put a quality DM on Riquelme or kick Messi out of the game and the football will really get desperate. That is if it wasn't already a dour game to begin with. Too much dependent on moments of brilliance.

Maxi will and the width they were been missing, now all basile needs o copies Peckerman's system perfectly is a LWB(someone similar to Sorin) and a target man for one of the midgets to play off.

if not go with a 4-3-3 with the three midgets using all their skill, pace and balance to get at the oppositions defense.

-------------------------Ustari

RB-----------Demichelis--------Milito-----Heinze

-----------------------Mascherano

-------------Maxi/-----------------Cambiasso

-----Messi-------------Tevez---------------Kun

I know Crespo was injured, but argentian still needs a target man to convert the chances... I know Cruz has never really fired for the argies, but he would have improved the squad in crespo's absence.

IMO, a fully fit Argentina should start like this:

--------------Abbondanzieri-----------
Zanetti---Burdisso---Milito---Heinze
------Mascherano--Cambiasso
Messi---------Riquelme--------Tevez
-----------------Crespo

Play Maxi instead of Tevez against the bigger teams.... Even tho trying to fit in Riquelme might be doing more harm than good... Argentina needs to start building a side which is not so relient on Riquelme's form.

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:So considering the drunkard's history the starting XI will be:

-----------------Abbondanzieri-----------

Zanetti------Demichelis------Milito-------Heinze

Maxi------------Mascherano-------Cambiasso(what a waste of a player)

-----------------Roman--------

Messi----------------------------Tevez/Aguero/Saviolita


cero attack on the left and we'll be depending on some genius mov e by Messi or Roman, or Aguero to score...nothing new

Put Tevez for Riquelme perhaps he isnt a no 10 like Roman but will give something different.

crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

By the time Crespo retires, players like Lavezzi could be ready to take over... but at the mo, it will be very stupid to leave someone like Crespo out.

Messiah wrote:crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

bluenine wrote:By the time Crespo retires, players like Lavezzi could be ready to take over... but at the mo, it will be very stupid to leave someone like Crespo out.

Messiah wrote:crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

Didn't you say Lavezzi is being dubbed the new Tevez? If so, he may be talented but will not be the answer to Argentina's problems.

At one point it looked like Higuain could be the answer, but he's been pretty disappointing for Madrid, and doesn't look like a goalscorer in any shape or form. What's happened to Cavenaghi? Seems to have fallen of the radar...last I heard he was playing in France. Maybe on the French posters knows more about that. Maybe Argentina should recall Palmero

Calidad wrote:

bluenine wrote:By the time Crespo retires, players like Lavezzi could be ready to take over... but at the mo, it will be very stupid to leave someone like Crespo out.

Messiah wrote:crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

Didn't you say Lavezzi is being dubbed the new Tevez? If so, he may be talented but will not be the answer to Argentina's problems.

At one point it looked like Higuain could be the answer, but he's been pretty disappointing for Madrid, and doesn't look like a goalscorer in any shape or form. What's happened to Cavenaghi? Seems to have fallen of the radar...last I heard he was playing in France. Maybe on the French posters knows more about that. Maybe Argentina should recall Palmero

It's Palermo. And i don't think we should. He's lost anychance of ever plying with our national team. The truth is that he has been $h!t at every team he has played bar Boca, where he has scored goals of every form and shape against hundreds of teams(he's even scored against several euro sides including beating one of the so called "best keepers in the world" some of you might remember).

Cavenaghi is still playing in france, last week he scored two...he is lost cause though. I still believe higuain can become a decent player but he's no goalscorer as you said. And IMO Diego Milito should be given a chance. I know some ppl here make him to be too slow but still, i'd like to see him play with white and blue.

Cruz is IMO the most professional plyer we could choose for the national team. He doesn't even like football. no thanks

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Calidad wrote:

bluenine wrote:By the time Crespo retires, players like Lavezzi could be ready to take over... but at the mo, it will be very stupid to leave someone like Crespo out.

Messiah wrote:crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

Didn't you say Lavezzi is being dubbed the new Tevez? If so, he may be talented but will not be the answer to Argentina's problems.

At one point it looked like Higuain could be the answer, but he's been pretty disappointing for Madrid, and doesn't look like a goalscorer in any shape or form. What's happened to Cavenaghi? Seems to have fallen of the radar...last I heard he was playing in France. Maybe on the French posters knows more about that. Maybe Argentina should recall Palmero

It's Palermo. And i don't think we should. He's lost anychance of ever plying with our national team. The truth is that he has been $h!t at every team he has played bar Boca, where he has scored goals of every form and shape against hundreds of teams(he's even scored against several euro sides including beating one of the so called "best keepers in the world" some of you might remember).

What would be the reason you think?

DD wrote:

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Calidad wrote:

bluenine wrote:By the time Crespo retires, players like Lavezzi could be ready to take over... but at the mo, it will be very stupid to leave someone like Crespo out.

Messiah wrote:crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

Didn't you say Lavezzi is being dubbed the new Tevez? If so, he may be talented but will not be the answer to Argentina's problems.

At one point it looked like Higuain could be the answer, but he's been pretty disappointing for Madrid, and doesn't look like a goalscorer in any shape or form. What's happened to Cavenaghi? Seems to have fallen of the radar...last I heard he was playing in France. Maybe on the French posters knows more about that. Maybe Argentina should recall Palmero

It's Palermo. And i don't think we should. He's lost anychance of ever plying with our national team. The truth is that he has been $h!t at every team he has played bar Boca, where he has scored goals of every form and shape against hundreds of teams(he's even scored against several euro sides including beating one of the so called "best keepers in the world" some of you might remember).

What would be the reason you think?

Yea I know it's Palermo. Just an awful typo. And it was a joke, hence the smiley

Boca aside, I'm not sure why he hasn't been successful. Certainly, he's not the most technically gifted of players - that is, to put it bluntly - he's actually very limited in that regard. He also suffered with injuries I think during his spell in Europe, which obviously didn't help matters. He's but I've really not seen enough of him I believe he's a cult hero with Boca though, and from my time in BA I could tell he is quite popular (depending on which side of the city you were in )

Maybe he just feel comfortable at Boca? Playing in front of fans that adore him

btw I know you were asking cosmico, but I thought I'd answer anyway

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Calidad wrote:

bluenine wrote:By the time Crespo retires, players like Lavezzi could be ready to take over... but at the mo, it will be very stupid to leave someone like Crespo out.

Messiah wrote:crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

Didn't you say Lavezzi is being dubbed the new Tevez? If so, he may be talented but will not be the answer to Argentina's problems.

At one point it looked like Higuain could be the answer, but he's been pretty disappointing for Madrid, and doesn't look like a goalscorer in any shape or form. What's happened to Cavenaghi? Seems to have fallen of the radar...last I heard he was playing in France. Maybe on the French posters knows more about that. Maybe Argentina should recall Palmero

It's Palermo. And i don't think we should. He's lost anychance of ever plying with our national team. The truth is that he has been $h!t at every team he has played bar Boca, where he has scored goals of every form and shape against hundreds of teams(he's even scored against several euro sides including beating one of the so called "best keepers in the world" some of you might remember).

Cavenaghi is still playing in france, last week he scored two...he is lost cause though. I still believe higuain can become a decent player but he's no goalscorer as you said. And IMO Diego Milito should be given a chance. I know some ppl here make him to be too slow but still, i'd like to see him play with white and blue.

Cruz is IMO the most professional plyer we could choose for the national team. He doesn't even like football. no thanks

i dont get why people are so quick to write him off. he hasnt even had a full season! on top of that he doesnt even get to play regulary in his normal position. i think he can overtake Raul this season if he is allowed too.
about milito i dont get what people are saying. crespo isnt fast but he is still considered good enough. and milito is actually quite mobile and a fine dribbler like klose in his style. allthough i think he fits in better with a striker next to him in a 4-4-2.

supermadrid wrote:

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Calidad wrote:

bluenine wrote:By the time Crespo retires, players like Lavezzi could be ready to take over... but at the mo, it will be very stupid to leave someone like Crespo out.

Messiah wrote:crespo will be what 34 when the World cup comes around it doesn't make since too be to have him and Zanetti in the team at the expense of developing a youngster to be ready for the 2010 WC, but a like that formation i have been telling peckerman to play it since messi came on the scene, but i have been ignored.

Didn't you say Lavezzi is being dubbed the new Tevez? If so, he may be talented but will not be the answer to Argentina's problems.

At one point it looked like Higuain could be the answer, but he's been pretty disappointing for Madrid, and doesn't look like a goalscorer in any shape or form. What's happened to Cavenaghi? Seems to have fallen of the radar...last I heard he was playing in France. Maybe on the French posters knows more about that. Maybe Argentina should recall Palmero

It's Palermo. And i don't think we should. He's lost anychance of ever plying with our national team. The truth is that he has been $h!t at every team he has played bar Boca, where he has scored goals of every form and shape against hundreds of teams(he's even scored against several euro sides including beating one of the so called "best keepers in the world" some of you might remember).

Cavenaghi is still playing in france, last week he scored two...he is lost cause though. I still believe higuain can become a decent player but he's no goalscorer as you said. And IMO Diego Milito should be given a chance. I know some ppl here make him to be too slow but still, i'd like to see him play with white and blue.

Cruz is IMO the most professional plyer we could choose for the national team. He doesn't even like football. no thanks

i dont get why people are so quick to write him off. he hasnt even had a full season! on top of that he doesnt even get to play regulary in his normal position. i think he can overtake Raul this season if he is allowed too.
about milito i dont get what people are saying. crespo isnt fast but he is still considered good enough. and milito is actually quite mobile and a fine dribbler like klose in his style. allthough i think he fits in better with a striker next to him in a 4-4-2.

He wehnt to Madrid too soon. his playing will pay for that IMO