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    Post by Parks lives Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:05 am

    The Premiership Weekend Winners & Losers

    Winners

    Arsenal
    Because of their upcoming agenda - seven games spread over 23 days, including a trip to Liverpool next Sunday before a date with ManYoo seven days later - it was essential for the leaders to beat Bolton. Ahead of such a demanding period, this was no time for an unexpected stumble.

    However, the nature of the victory also underlined the severity of the blow suffered in midweek when Robin van Persie twisted a knee on international duty. Only when substitutes Theo Walcott - finally delivering something of positive note - and Tomas Rosicky were introduced did the Gunners produce an irresistible threat.

    Eduardo da Silva, Van Persie's replacement, hasn't yet adapted to the Premier League and was sent to the left wing before being replaced after an hour. The Croatian has yet to score a domestic goal since his £8m summer move. Expect Emmanuel Adebayor to play as a lone frontman at Anfield and Walcott to be tested as a striker against Sheffield United in the Carling Cup as Wenger explores his options during Van Persie's expected six-week absence.

    One final point: the postponement of the scheduled match in August at Newcastle for a Champions League qualifier in Prague has radically distorted the Gunners' fixture list and meant that six of their first nine league matches were played at the Emirates. After Tuesday's Champions League tie with Prague, just two of their next ten matches will be played on home turf.


    ManYoo
    Two points of statistical interest from ManYoo's win at Villa:

    1) Having previously failed to score in ten consecutive games stretching back to April, Wayne Rooney has now scored six goals in five games.
    2) Including FA Cup semi-finals, ManYoo have won ten successive matches at Villa Park.


    Wayne Rooney and Carlos Tevez
    Their lack of height remains an issue but their partnership is growing in potency.


    Elano
    Given that Manchester City are the only side in the top four not credited with Big Four status, it is fair to argue that Elano has had a greater impact than any other player in the league so far this season. The Brazilian has been a revelation and scored City's winner against Brum less than 24 hours after returning from international duty.


    Liverpool
    Liverpool's manic celebrations at the final whistle spoke volumes. Partly it was the reaction of a team unable to believe its good luck - Jamie Carragher acted like a man who had been sent to the electric chair just before a power cut - but mainly it was tacit acknowledgment of how precarious their position in the league is. Had they lost at Goodison then the Reds would have trailed leaders Arsenal by six points.


    Rafa Benitez
    There are two ways of regarding Benitez's substitutions at Goodison.

    The first is that they were perverse, perhaps deliberately perverse, and only rectified by Mark Clattenburg's inept work. Like Michael Vaughan greeting his return to the England cricket team by immediately deploying a leg gully, it's as if Benitez needs to be seen as the man in charge. The Spaniard certainly has the bloody-mindedness of a Yorkshireman.

    The second is that they were a stroke of genius with the three players introduced - Ryan Babel, Lucas Leiva and Jermaine Pennant - combining for the award of Pool's match-winning penalty.


    Portsmouth
    Their domination at the JJB was so complete that their total of nine shots on target was nine more than the home side produced.


    Blackburn Rovers
    So much for the idea that reduced ticket prices - £20 for the average adult, £7 for juniors, £10 for senior citizens - would have fans flocking back to Ewood this season. Fewer than 20,000 supporters attended Saturday's win over Reading, a shortfall of 2000 on this year's average gate and a further 10,000 below capacity.

    Rovers may be sixth in the league table but they are bottom of the Attendance Table.


    Chelski
    But all is not well. Didier Drogba's 'regret' at the published confirmation that he wants to leave Chelski does not equate to a denial that the dressing room has been irrevocably split.

    Avram Grant has an awkward balancing act to maintain - pacifying the Chelski players mourning their master's departure and respecting his own master's demand for entertaining football. In promising as much this weekend, he remarked: "The way to the winning is also important, not like it was before."

    Mourinho's apologists inside the dressing room will not have appreciated the apparent belittlement of their achievements under Mourinho's guidance. Actions still speak louder than words and, inspired by Drogba, Chelski reverted to the Mourinho-esque 4-3-3 formation against Boro.


    Losers

    Fair Play
    There was a significant moment of insignificance after 55 minutes at Villa Park on Saturday night when Gabriel Agbonlahor burst through the ManYoo defence, hurdled the rash challenge of Edwin van der Sar and, off balance, saw his weakly-hit shot cleared by Gerard Pique. Just a few minutes later, Carlos Tevez found himself in an almost identical scenario. The difference was that instead of avoiding the challenge, Tevez hit the ground. The result was a penalty, a red card and an early exit for thousands of supporters.

    Tevez did nothing wrong (only an international hurdler could have avoided Scott Carson's visual explanation for why he is not an outfield player). But by 'playing fair' did Agbonlahor do wrong? Staying on his feet certainly wasn't the winning play. Had Agbonlahor not avoided Van der Sar then the Dutchman would probably have been dismissed and Villa awarded a penalty with which to halve the visitors' 3-1 lead. Both in his deeds and subsequent words at Goodison Park, Steven Gerrard demonstrated that he was fully aware of the double reward that the mastery of such dark arts invariably produces.

    Such deliberations are the consequence of a misguided rulebook. Not only is it flawed in so much as it rewards gamesmanship, but it is botched logically: how can, for instance, Carson be dismissed for denying a goalscoring opportunity when the penalty award meant that an even clearer goalscoring opportunity was still available?

    The flip side - the refusal to reward attempts at 'fair play' - has become a terrible blight. In a season littered with p***-poor refereeing, no decision deserves to be castigated more than that of Keith Stroud in September's league match between Reading and Wigan when, to quote The Independent's match report, 'substitute Julius Aghahowa broke clear only to be put off his stride by a blatant trip outside the box by the keeper Marcus Hahnemann. The impetus, and opportunity, were soon lost - although Hahnemann was booked, no free-kick was awarded.'

    Had Aghahowa crashed to the floor and Wigan secured an equaliser against their numerically-disadvantaged opponents then the Royals would currently be fourth-bottom rather than 12th and Wigan would be four places clear of the relegation zone.

    Punished for his naivety, Aghahowa will no doubt know better next time. Or at least understand the rules better.


    Fulham
    It is just as well for Lawrie Sanchez that £10m of taxpayers' money is currently being wasted on an inquest into a fatal car crash in Paris ten years ago in which the one and only person to wear a seatbelt was the sole survivor else Mohamed Al Fayed might be asking why £25m of his own cash was seemingly wasted in the summer.

    Having described the clash with Derby as 'a six-pointer' in his programme notes, Sanchez sought to depict the subsequent draw as league places gained. The booing which greeted the final whistle was a more accurate commentary. Derby deserved victory and confirmed Fulham's status as relegation candidates.

    Having been originally put in charge on a caretaker basis, Sanchez's full-time appointment owed much to a distasteful win over Liverpool in early May when Rafa Benitez rested a host of first-teamers in premature preparation for the Champions League final. Since then, the Cottagers have only managed to beat second-bottom Bolton. It's a worse sequence of results than the no-wins-in-seven run that prompted the then non-distracted Al Fayed to sack Chris Coleman in April.


    Reading
    Probably the first side in Premier League history to score six goals in consecutive away matches and not collect a single point.


    Officialdom
    To reemploy F365's headline after ManYoo's win over Chelski last month: 'Yet Again, A Big Match Is Ruined By The Referee'.

    Mark Clattenburg's handling of the Merseyside derby was so disastrous that this entire column could be devoted to its inadequacies - and the disgusting response of Rafa Benitez who shamelessly described it as 'faultless' and Joleon Lescott as a diver.

    As with Mike Dean's performance at Old Trafford, it was the details of Clattenburg's horror show that really grated. Whereas Dean put his profession at risk - a phrase that is no exaggeration - by allowing John Terry to lay hands on him with impunity, Clattenburg's apparent heeding of Steven Gerrard's prompting has made referees a hostage to mass haranguing. So much for the adage that there is no point arguing with referees because they won't change their minds. Clattenburg is now fair game.

    The decision to dismiss Tony Hibbert was technically correct, one of the few Clattenburg actually called correctly all afternoon. It would, though, be fascinating to read the explanation in his match report for Dirk Kuyt's booking after the Dutchman's impression of Superman flying backwards. For such challenges, a yellow card cannot be part of the equation. The player has either committed a two-footed challenge or he has not; he is either sent off or he is not. There is no available middle ground. Clattenburg's response was the equivalent of ordering a murderer to serve 100 hours of community service.


    Graham Poll
    As observed in The Thing's 'The Official Line' column for The Daily Mail this Saturday:

    'Watch Out For...Mark Clattenburg at this weekend's Merseyside derby.

    'Clattenburg has already controlled the Manchester and north London derbies successfully and has been proclaimed as England's best referee in the Official Line all season.'

    How reassuring to learn that Graham's judgement remains as sharp as ever.


    Phil Neville
    The unexpected answer to England's goalkeeping crisis?


    Steve Bruce
    Made to look a fool by Alan Shearer. Which must be a bit like being nutmegged by Phil Neville.


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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:22 am

    Parks lives wrote:and the disgusting response of Rafa Benitez who shamelessly described it as 'faultless' and Joleon Lescott as a diver.
    that should be a disrepute charge. ffs how can he talk about divers with gerrard in his side. Doh
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    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:and the disgusting response of Rafa Benitez who shamelessly described it as 'faultless' and Joleon Lescott as a diver.
    that should be a disrepute charge. ffs how can he talk about divers with gerrard in his side. Doh

    haven't seen the quote

    can anyone post it ?
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:00 pm

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_2813106,00.html
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    Post by Dwarf Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:34 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    One final point: the postponement of the scheduled match in August at Newcastle for a Champions League qualifier in Prague has radically distorted the Gunners' fixture list and meant that six of their first nine league matches were played at the Emirates. After Tuesday's Champions League tie with Prague, just two of their next ten matches will be played on home turf.

    Arsenal's bandwagon is finally over.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:42 pm

    Glad they have picked up on that. It's amazing its not been mentioned more.

    Only had 3 away league games and two have been in London.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:43 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Glad they have picked up on that. It's amazing its not been mentioned more.

    Only had 3 away league games and two have been in London.


    And the other one they drew 1-1 at Blackburn. When they have to go away to play Newcastle, Everton, Villa, Man City, then we'll see what they're really made of and if they can sustain a title bid this season.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:49 pm

    Something must be wrong with the fixtures, for them to have 6 home games and 3 away games.

    Chelsea have had 4 home games and 6 away!
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:51 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Something must be wrong with the fixtures, for them to have 6 home games and 3 away games.

    The FA rigging it?

    Just like UEFA always ensure they have an easy CL group...

    Chelsea have had 4 home games and 6 away!

    How many outside of London?
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:54 pm

    Well, if the Newcastle game hadn't been cancelled it would be 4-6 and you always get some discrepancies and an unbalanced schedule. By the end of December we will have played an equal number of home and away games I think.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:54 pm

    Chelsea have had - Man United, Boro, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Bolton & Reading.

    So all 6.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:56 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Chelsea have had - Man United, Boro, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Bolton & Reading.

    So all 6.


    So in conclusion - the FA have rigged it to make it FAR easier for Arsenal at the start of the season.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:02 pm

    Rabbit wrote:So in conclusion - the FA have rigged it to make it FAR easier for Arsenal at the start of the season.
    That can be twisted around to say that the FA have rigged it to make it FAR harder for Arsenal at the the end of the season.

    We will all play 19 games away and 19 games at home by mid May so it doesn't matter anyway.
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    Post by Tom Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:04 pm

    Rabbit wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Chelsea have had - Man United, Boro, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Bolton & Reading.

    So all 6.


    So in conclusion - the FA have rigged it to make it FAR easier for Arsenal at the start of the season.
    Wanted Jose out to stop embarrasing the league? Or making the FA look bad?
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:07 pm

    Cesc wrote:
    Rabbit wrote:So in conclusion - the FA have rigged it to make it FAR easier for Arsenal at the start of the season.
    That can be twisted around to say that the FA have rigged it to make it FAR harder for Arsenal at the the end of the season.

    It's easier to get through difficult ties late in the season if you've got the momentum of a very good start, and you know it.

    We will all play 19 games away and 19 games at home by mid May so it doesn't matter anyway.

    Yes, it does. And only someone who knows full well that it makes a difference would so blatantly pretend that it doesn't.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:10 pm

    ballack wrote:
    Rabbit wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Chelsea have had - Man United, Boro, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Bolton & Reading.

    So all 6.


    So in conclusion - the FA have rigged it to make it FAR easier for Arsenal at the start of the season.
    Wanted Jose out to stop embarrasing the league? Or making the FA look bad?


    Well, it's a combination of motives, including trying to get rid of Mourinho (possibly so they could poach him for the national team). It's also about brand maintenance. I don't know how I can say this any more simply so I'll repeat a phrase I've used before - the FA are businessmen. Their money and power derives from the brand that is English football. They, just like any other capitalist, are willing to do just about anything in pursuit of power and profit.

    I mean, who are these people? Ex-players? Hardly any. Ex-managers? None. Ex-referees? None. Lifelong fans known for their unwavering support? None.

    They are the upper echelons of the prawn sandwich brigade. There is a reason football is becoming ever more bourgeois and middle class.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:12 pm

    Of course it is important to get off to a good start, and our fixtures have been favourable for this. On the other hand, a lot of people say that the Christmas schedule is the most important part of the season because there are so many games in such a short space of time, and we have Chelsea, Spurs, Portsmouth and Everton then which isn't easy. We'll also have played three tough away games leading up to them and a tough derby game against West Ham to start the new year whilst other teams will have an easier fixture list for this time of year. It can be argued either way about which fixtures are more beneficial, and only after those games will we have a clear indication of where teams stand in regards to winning the title.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:19 pm

    Sheffield gunner wrote:Of course it is important to get off to a good start, and our fixtures have been favourable for this. On the other hand, a lot of people say that the Christmas schedule is the most important part of the season because there are so many games in such a short space of time, and we have Chelsea, Spurs, Portsmouth and Everton then which isn't easy.

    If Christmas is a difficult time for every team then the overall effect is zero. I'm well aware that Arsenal will have to play these difficult games at some point, and you could say that any time is a bad time to have them. But it's always easier if you've had a good start with points already on the board.

    We'll also have played three tough away games leading up to them and a tough derby game against West Ham to start the new year whilst other teams will have an easier fixture list for this time of year.

    But you'll also be playing these tough games at a time when the teams you are playing against are involved in tough games. So the overall effect is zero.

    It can be argued either way about which fixtures are more beneficial, and only after those games will we have a clear indication of where teams stand in regards to winning the title.

    It can be argued either way, but that doesn't mean the arguments are of equal value.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:57 pm

    Rabbit wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Something must be wrong with the fixtures, for them to have 6 home games and 3 away games.

    The FA rigging it?

    Just like UEFA always ensure they have an easy CL group...

    Chelsea have had 4 home games and 6 away!

    How many outside of London?
    lol! playing london derbies is often a lot harder than going elsewhere, especially in arsenal´s position as still the biggest club in the capital
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:58 pm

    Arsenal did have a problem with away games up North last year though. So it does make sense.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:04 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Arsenal did have a problem with away games up North last year though. So it does make sense.

    We had problems in all our away games last season! It is worth noting that we've picked up six points from the two away London derbies we've played this season, in the corresponding fixtures last year we got just one point. Aside from the Liverpool and Man Utd games which are obviously huge, our December away games will give a big insight into how much we've improved this season. Last year we only got one win from our away games against Villa, Newcastle, Boro, Portsmouth and Everton, something we will need to improve on considerably.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:06 pm

    they had a problem all season away ffs, they also lost to west ham, drew at chavski, lost to fulham, drew at spuds
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:30 pm

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2817855,00.html
    why is this such big news??? i think there are 20 EPL refs so given the fact he reffed last week, its highly likely he wouldn't get a game this week!!!
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    Post by DD Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:33 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2817855,00.html
    why is this such big news??? i think there are 20 EPL refs so given the fact he reffed last week, its highly likely he wouldn't get a game this week!!!
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:55 pm

    Parks lives wrote:[b]Rafa Benitez

    There are two ways of regarding Benitez's substitutions at Goodison.

    The first is that they were perverse, perhaps deliberately perverse, and only rectified by Mark Clattenburg's inept work. Like Michael Vaughan greeting his return to the England cricket team by immediately deploying a leg gully, it's as if Benitez needs to be seen as the man in charge. The Spaniard certainly has the bloody-mindedness of a Yorkshireman.

    The second is that they were a stroke of genius with the three players introduced - Ryan Babel, Lucas Leiva and Jermaine Pennant - combining for the award of Pool's match-winning penalty.

    OH JUST f@ck OFF ! Grr

    Is there no escape from the pro-Gerrard propaganda ?

    SKY, the BBC, pretty much every newspaper and now these c**ts.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:43 am

    DD wrote:
    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2817855,00.html
    why is this such big news??? i think there are 20 EPL refs so given the fact he reffed last week, its highly likely he wouldn't get a game this week!!!
    ok

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7056562.stm

    as i suspected he wasn't going o be reffing anyway. BUT aaaggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he's fooking reffing us on Thursday.
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    Post by The Vermonster Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:17 am

    Rabbit wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Something must be wrong with the fixtures, for them to have 6 home games and 3 away games.

    The FA rigging it?

    Just like UEFA always ensure they have an easy CL group...

    Chelsea have had 4 home games and 6 away!

    How many outside of London?

    It is looking too skewed because we missed the away game at Newcastle because of CL Qualifying game.

    If we had played that it would be 6 home and 4 away games (Which doesn't look that bad anymore).
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:18 am

    And you would have lost that away game, making your season look a lot worse. The point isn't what fixtures you should have played, it's what fixtures you have played and whether they indicate a serious title challenge.
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    Post by The Vermonster Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:48 am

    Rabbit wrote:And you would have lost that away game, making your season look a lot worse. The point isn't what fixtures you should have played, it's what fixtures you have played and whether they indicate a serious title challenge.

    Well you sound as if it is a certainty that we would have lost. We have improved significantly as a team from last season, and physical play doesn't really rattle us anymore. So there is no guarantee that we would have lost.

    In fact I can argue that we drew away to a better team (Blackburn), so there is no reason to believe that we would have lost at Newcastle.

    Since we have played one game less, I can always argue that we are always under pressure to play catch up. Ask Chelsea of last season and they will attest that it is not easy. Because we have done extremely well (far ahead of our expectations) this is not proving to be a disadvantage.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:17 am

    You've done extremely well, as long as you've not had to leave the area inside the M25. There's no coincidence that the game where you dropped points was the game where you were outside of London...

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