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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:42 am

    ManYoo and Tottenham both drew this weekend but both make it into Pete Gill's list of winners, while Martin Jol is a loser for his tactical caution once again. And then there's Stu Pearce...

    Winners

    ManYoo
    The route towards a second treble is proving an arduous one and single shots of whiskey are probably insufficient for Sir Alex when he considers his side's fixture list. 2007 has already brought 15 matches and a further 16 could await in the next two months. By way of contrast, Aston Villa have played just eight with a maximum of ten to follow.

    An already-stretched squad was weakened on Saturday by Edwin van der Sar's injury. Suffered during the warm-up at the Riverside, it was an unwelcome reminder of the perils of a packed fixture list. In all, six senior ManYoo players are vying for attention on the treatment table.

    Sir Alex knows better than most the value of a fit squad - whenever he's asked to identify the key ingredient of the 1999 treble, the Scot always highlights the fact that he was only deprived of Henning Berg that spring.

    Still, every cloud has a silver lining and one unmistakable advantage is to be gleaned from a replay being crammed on to the schedule: Paul Scholes will serve just one game of his three-match suspension in the league.


    Mark Hughes
    With Sir Alex intent on remaining at ManYoo for the foreseeable future, identifying his successor has ceased to be a regular preoccupation for the footballing nation. Yet should the Scot make a second u-turn on his future - a not altogether preposterous possibility if his side prevail in Athens - then Hughes would be one of the favourites, if not the favourite, to move into the manager's office at Old Trafford.


    Watford
    A fortunate victory at Plymouth has brought Watford a place in the last four of the FA Cup but match analysis ought to bring gloomy foreboding. As against Ipswich in the fifth round, the Hornets were out-performed by their lowly-ranked opponents, suggesting that another season of disappointment beckons even after a return to their natural habitat.


    Aaron Lennon
    Following his off-the-record press briefing last month, it is an open secret that Steve McClaren intends to duck a choice between Frank Lampard and Steve Gerrard to partner Owen Hargreaves in Tel Aviv by deploying the Liverpool captain on the right of midfield.

    The oser in the compromise will be Aaron Lennon if, as expected, McClaren accommodates the Tottenham winger on the left. The strength of Lennon's game is his pace, but if he plays on the left he will be inclined to cut inside, a movement that will naturally negate his speed. Disconcertingly, Stewart Downing still remains a favourite of McClaren and may yet start ahead of Lennon despite this Saturday's reminder that he possesses neither the touch nor trickery required of an international winger.

    Only by offering repeats of the chasing he meted out to Cashley Cole, who continues to lumber in a team in which his principal attributes are palpably ill-suited, can Lennon force the England coach into finally picking between Gerrard and Lampard and selecting a balanced midfield. Amen to that.


    Tottenham Hotspur
    The archetypal football enthusiast Kevin Keegan has become so disillusioned with the Premiership that he has not bothered to watch a match for over a year. The disenchantment is so acute that the former England manager has left the country for, of all places, Scotland.

    "It's not as interesting now," he complained in an interview this week. "The big clubs aren't just building their own future, they are knocking everyone else's down. I can see it for what it is now, a money-making machine, with everything geared towards the top clubs."

    He has a point. The Premiership has become a closed shop and for it to justify claims that it is The Best League In The World - claims which were repeated this week after three of its residents qualified for the last eight of the Champions League - it requires a break-in.

    The Premiership may boast four of the best teams in Europe, but the search for the fifth-best outfit exposes the hype as a flimsy marketing exercise. This is a league of champions - well, Champions Leaguers - and no challengers.

    Beneath the elite, a Dormant Four of Aston Villa, Everton, Tottenham and Newcastle slumbers, apparently content just to hang on to the coat-tail of the Big Four's lucrative revenue stream. There is no disgrace in being eclipsed by ManYoo, Chelski, Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it should shame such former powerhouses of English football that the most consistent challengers to the new elite over the past three years has been Bolton.

    Everton run them close, but Tottenham are the under-achievers of the Premiership era, so their recent renaissance should be welcomed. Sunday's entralling tie at Stamford Bridge was a refreshing glimpse of the entertainment comeptitiveness guarantees.

    The new television deal has been depicted as a cash cow for the already-haves. However, the money is to be spread surprisingly evenly around the league; if anything, it is unfair on the Big Four that so much financial reward is being pumped beyond their confines. For instance, the side that finishes bottom of the table in 2007/08 will accrue a similar amount of prize amount as Chelski earned in 2005/06 by winning the title. Only Robin Hood has previously robbed the rich so blatantly to feed the poor.

    Granted, money isn't everything, but it helps. After collapsing along the final straight in May, Spurs were forced to sell Michael Carrick in July to ManYoo. But there's approximately £30m reason to hope that this summer will see reinforcent at White Hart Lane - and beyond - rather than mere replacement. If so, and the marvellous Dimitar Berbatov is retained, the Premiership may finally be a league worth hyping.


    Losers

    Manchester Citeh Nil and Stuart Pearce
    Sky Sports are taking a huge risk by broadcasting two successive Manchester Citeh matches because they are vulnerable to accusations of gross callousness by intruding so publicly on private grief. Flower vendors at cemeteries profit from misery with superior delicacy.

    Citeh's calamities used to be entertaining, memorable so-bad-it-is-untrue tales of ridiculousness being snatched from the brink of respectability. Whatever else they were, Citeh were fun. By contrast, their elimination from the cup at Blackburn this weekend after a moribund 90 minutes was made memorable only by the close-in shots of the enraged travelling support. Their fury is understandable (although, in the direction of Joey Barton, unwarranted). Citeh are worse than bad; they are horrible.

    After failing to score in five of their past nine games, Sky mockingly referred to Stuart Pearce's side as Manchester City Nil. They duly record zero shots on goal at Ewood. This isn't a recent blip: only Watford have scored fewer goals this season in the top flight.

    Pearce was given a stay of execution last week by the club's board but the sight of 7,000 supporters marking his two-year anniversary by demonically screaming invective will prompt reconsideration. He will probably still be on the touchline for the visit of Chelski but defeat to the champions, and against Middlesbrough next Saturday, will cause the axe to fall.

    Pearce has brought passion to Citeh but passion, as Martin O'Neill has apparently discovered at Villa, can only hoist a team so far without the addition of quality. Pearce is culpable for the lack of goals because the league's worst set of strikers, Bernardo Corradi, Georgios Samaras, Darius Vassell and Paul Dickov, is compiled exclusively of his purchases.

    The £6m spent on Samaras was especially ill-considered and it is sadly ironic that the folly of the England Under-21 manager's in spending abroad for goals has been exposed in successive weeks by Wigan's Caleb Folan, a £500,000 signing from Chesterfield, and Matt Derbyshire, discovered in the North West Counties League performing for Great Harwood Town.


    Martin Jol
    Relative to their team's success, Tottenham fans are the most demanding in England. For the reasons stated above, it is not necessarily an unpalatable failing. Yet the high level of expectation ensures that the club's manager is forever subject to an unflattering,spotlight and it is inevitable that Martin Jol will be castigated for substituting both Berbatov and Lennon as Chelski launched their comeback this weekend.

    The background behind the criticism is January's Carling Cup semi-final with Arsenal at White Hart Lane when Berbatov succumbed to injury and Jol disasterously sought to maintain Spurs' two-goal lead by switching to a 4-5-1 formation. The Dutchman has already been accused of repeating such catastrophic negativity at Stamford Bridge.

    In mitigation, Lennon was playing his sixth game in 20 days and it wasn't unreasonable to expect Mido, Berbatov's replacement, to at least perform comptently. The Egyptian did, after all, nearly win the Carling Cup tie at the Emirates in the final minute of normal time, while Jermain Defoe's injury-time shot was a foot away from transforming Jol in a master tactican.


    Steve McClaren
    For the neutrals, the draws at the Riverside and Stamford Bridge were compelling entertainment. For the England manager, the prospect of the two ties being replayed is the nightmare scenario - causing as many as 16 of his likely 23-man squad to be in action two days before the Three Lions depart for the crunch Euro 2008 qualifier in Israel.

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    Post by COTR Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:46 am

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    Post by Saintsar Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:55 am

    Didn't Downing set up both of Boro's goals this weekend? Why is he still being referred to as not good enough for England? Aside from Beckham, he's the best crosser we've got.
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    Post by DD Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:01 pm

    Am I the only one who doesn't see the Berbatov switch as unthinkable?
    Spurs played a hard energetic match less than three days before, and had less time to recover than Chelsea. Not only that, but after Spurs were 3-1 up, I thought it was a necessary move to sub Berbatov. To save him. After all, if their most important player got injured while they were by two goals up, he would have gotten more vicious complaints.
    And was it that unreasonable to contemplate that Spurs could at least hold on to their lead? If not possibly knock one more in?
    Criticising the Berbatov sub is practically admitting that Spurs aren't good enough, IMO.

    He brought on Mido, last year's best player, and now fat but fit.

    Very harsh unnecessary armchair pundit critique IMO.


    Look at Koeman at PSV this weekend, he went to one of the worst teams in the league (relegation battling), and he played Alex. Alex got a hamstring injury, and now koeman's called a moron left and right for overplaying Alex. Its never the right thing for armchair fans.


    Look at it this way then: would you rather have gone through to next FA cup round and lose Berbatov for the season, or a draw to take home and keep Berby walking?"
    Clear answer to me.

    Ask Barca fans if they'd trade that CL win for Eto'o not getting injured.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:08 pm

    But the FA cup (after knocking out Chelsea) is a tournament they could have a great chance of winning. If they knocked out Chelsea, they would of been second favourites. Even by getting to the final they could of guarenteed UEFA cup football, if they would of met ourselves.

    Considering they may need to finish in the top 6 for UEFA cup football and they have limited chances of winning a trophy, he could of lasted another 10 - 15 minutes at least.
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    Post by Rez Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:30 pm

    If Berbs and Lennon stayed on the pitch they would be in the draw for the SF, they could have played Watford which would be a bye into the final and in the final anything can happen.

    Spurs havent won anything good in ages, that was there best chance in years to win it and Jol/Defoe/Mido messed it up.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:09 pm

    Harsh criticism of Downing. However, I shall use it as my signature in recompense to Cooper's Carrick rhinoceros/fish quotation from the very same source
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    Post by L r d Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:12 pm

    Put this in the Manc thread from now on please.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:14 pm

    They just don't like Downing, the same way they just dont like Carrick I suppose.

    The guy once wrote something like "I saw him once at Everton and he was poor, I realised then he wouldnt be any good"

    I saw Rooney on Saturday and he was wank so I guess he wont be any good either.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:16 pm

    praying Lennon doesnt get picked to play for england anytime soon on the left as he'll only be left ruined with his confidence in tatters, just like every other makeshift left midfielder other than Joe Cole has done over the past 5 years
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    Post by DD Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:17 pm

    No West Ham criticism this time. Shocking.
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    Post by COTR Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:18 pm

    Im Kind Of A Big Deal wrote:praying Lennon doesnt get picked to play for england anytime soon on the left as he'll only be left ruined with his confidence in tatters, just like every other makeshift left midfielder other than Joe Cole has done over the past 5 years
    big decision for mc'claren.

    my guess is he'll dump gerrard out to the left

    we all know what really should happen though
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    Post by DD Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:19 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Im Kind Of A Big Deal wrote:praying Lennon doesnt get picked to play for england anytime soon on the left as he'll only be left ruined with his confidence in tatters, just like every other makeshift left midfielder other than Joe Cole has done over the past 5 years
    big decision for mc'claren.

    my guess is he'll dump gerrard out to the left

    we all know what really should happen though
    Won't happen, he scored two goals on sunday.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:20 pm

    borocooper wrote:They just don't like Downing, the same way they just dont like Carrick I suppose.

    The guy once wrote something like "I saw him once at Everton and he was poor, I realised then he wouldnt be any good"

    I saw Rooney on Saturday and he was wank so I guess he wont be any good either.

    Downing has been good this season. Ok, he's no Ronaldo on the ball, but he is the best crosser of the ball in england since beckham. Prefer to see him on the left for england then lennon who is not experienced enough yet, and still has to work on using his left peg more often.

    Plus he'd play one poor game, overyone would say he's overhyped and the media circus would move onto its next victim. Not worth it.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:21 pm

    Im Kind Of A Big Deal wrote:
    borocooper wrote:They just don't like Downing, the same way they just dont like Carrick I suppose.

    The guy once wrote something like "I saw him once at Everton and he was poor, I realised then he wouldnt be any good"

    I saw Rooney on Saturday and he was wank so I guess he wont be any good either.

    Downing has been good this season. Ok, he's no Ronaldo on the ball, but he is the best crosser of the ball in england since beckham. Prefer to see him on the left for england then lennon who is not experienced enough yet, and still has to work on using his left peg more often.

    Plus he'd play one poor game, overyone would say he's overhyped and the media circus would move onto its next victim. Not worth it.

    That's why I want Downing never to play for England ever again...even if he plays well he gets slated...confidence goes to hell and he plays shit for a few weeks.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:23 pm

    Wow. In any other country, clubs (and their fans) would be delighted to see their players in the national team. Not just because of the prestige, but for marketing reasons as well.

    You really must hate your press, or be afraid of it rather.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:24 pm

    Best crosser in the league since Beckham?!

    Solano, Giggs etc?
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    Post by L r d Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:25 pm

    DD wrote:
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    Im Kind Of A Big Deal wrote:praying Lennon doesnt get picked to play for england anytime soon on the left as he'll only be left ruined with his confidence in tatters, just like every other makeshift left midfielder other than Joe Cole has done over the past 5 years
    big decision for mc'claren.

    my guess is he'll dump gerrard out to the left

    we all know what really should happen though
    Won't happen, he scored two goals on sunday.

    Play him upfront. He's just a fat Pippo Inzaghi anyways.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:26 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Best crosser in the league since Beckham?!

    Solano, Giggs etc?

    Yep, better Very Happy
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:27 pm

    borocooper wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:Best crosser in the league since Beckham?!

    Solano, Giggs etc?

    Yep, better Very Happy

    Over-hyper.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:28 pm

    [quote="blutgraetsche"]Wow. In any other country, clubs (and their fans) would be delighted to see their players in the national team. Not just because of the prestige, but for marketing reasons as well.

    You really must hate your press, or be afraid of it rather.[/quote]

    Mixture of bad press and bad management at the moment is undermining any positive feeling for the national team from fans, and so it seems the players too.


    @Parky- it meant to read best english crosser since beckham


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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:28 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Wow. In any other country, clubs (and their fans) would be delighted to see their players in the national team. Not just because of the prestige, but for marketing reasons as well.

    You really must hate your press, or be afraid of it rather.

    It was great to see him in there the first time, and when he went to the WC. Nice to see one of our home grown lads making it....

    but it's a joke when he plays now...one game he put in about 10 crosses in the first half, which lead to about 6 chances...and played one class ball over the top for Lampard which was wasted. He ended up getting ripped apart by the media as not being good enough and ended up being dropped. Then he came back to us and just wasnt the same for a few games...it just doesnt seem worth it.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:30 pm

    Easy targets Coop. The same has happened with Carrick, even though alot of his games have been poor.

    With Lampard and Gerrard, it's the usual "not at his best but was effective and put in the work". Rolling Eyes
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:35 pm

    Downing is 22 now, isn't he? And Lennon is just 19!

    I'm all for giving young players a chance in the national team, fresh blood is useful often. But you can't seriously bash players of this age for a bad match or inconsistency even, that's just retarded. Ruining a players confidence at this age can have disastrous consequences indeed, they are still not finished in their developement.

    I can understand where you are coming from, but that's just sad. It shouldn't be like this at least.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:35 pm

    To be fair, he wasnt terrible but Downing was over reliant on crossing long from deep almost everytime he got the ball when he played for England and whilst occasionally it came off I do remember a large percentage of balls just being headed straight back out again.

    Now when you watch him for Boro he makes more variety of decisions and looks more at ease. Infact its the same with nearly all the players - look far more at ease at club level than when they play for England. Nervous and uncertain. Poor tactics and media pressure probably the cause of it. Ironic that the 2 players who havent looked nervous playing for england, especially at the WC are both currently out with long term injuries (J Cole and Hargreaves)
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:05 pm

    Im Kind Of A Big Deal wrote:
    borocooper wrote:They just don't like Downing, the same way they just dont like Carrick I suppose.

    The guy once wrote something like "I saw him once at Everton and he was poor, I realised then he wouldnt be any good"

    I saw Rooney on Saturday and he was wank so I guess he wont be any good either.

    Downing has been good this season. Ok, he's no Ronaldo on the ball, but he is the best crosser of the ball in england since beckham. Prefer to see him on the left for england then lennon who is not experienced enough yet, and still has to work on using his left peg more often.

    Plus he'd play one poor game, overyone would say he's overhyped and the media circus would move onto its next victim. Not worth it.
    Good god man, are you fucking mental Pele? scratch
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:08 pm

    he's already explained what he meant, Kimbo
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:14 pm

    The best English crosser is Gary Neville.

    I shit you not.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:16 pm

    lol!
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:21 pm

    Parks lives wrote:The best English crosser is Gary Neville.

    I shit you not.

    good shout, although not better than downing, just the best right back crosser in the league (if you exclude Solano who is not really a right back). Lennon should take inspiration from Neville cos he used to be crap at it too until he clearly started taking lessons from Beckham in training

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