World Soccer's 50 Most Promising Teenagers

mongrel hawk wrote:He's very good, I reckon.

Raifael wrote:Augusto .. Ajax have been linked with him , but they didn't want pay his asking price.

btw Todo what about Anderson at Man United , you rate him ?

Would you say Augusto's style of play is similar to Kaka?

I don't think so, and I don't think he'll ever be as good as Kaká.

I'd say Pato is no doubt much better than Renato Augusto, but Renato's a good player anyway.

I think Pato and Breno are the best of that list.

Batman wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:He's very good, I reckon.

Raifael wrote:Augusto .. Ajax have been linked with him , but they didn't want pay his asking price.

btw Todo what about Anderson at Man United , you rate him ?

Would you say Augusto's style of play is similar to Kaka?

Agooner wrote:

Juego de la Okkas wrote:Sadick ADAMS (Ghana)
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Marauane FELLAINI (Belgium)

a star in the making

Denilson should be on the list.

Excellent talent, if slightly lacking in discipline. Can't see him playing in Belgium for too much longer.

Since 1888 wrote:vdWiel? Having a laugh. Adeleye>vdWiel.

Naah , think of a young Frank Rijkaard then you get van der Wiel.

Also add John (Johan) Goossens and Siem de Jong to the list

The future looks bright

i wonder if they've got a similar list from 5/10 years ago, to see how they turned out?

Batman wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:He's very good, I reckon.

Raifael wrote:Augusto .. Ajax have been linked with him , but they didn't want pay his asking price.

btw Todo what about Anderson at Man United , you rate him ?

Would you say Augusto's style of play is similar to Kaka?

In the article they say he's a right-footed Rivaldo

Raifael wrote:

Since 1888 wrote:vdWiel? Having a laugh. Adeleye>vdWiel.

Naah , think of a young Frank Rijkaard then you get van der Wiel.

Also add John (Johan) Goossens and Siem de Jong to the list

The future looks bright

With any luck you can flog these lot to a big clob in some years time.

Hlebadinho wrote:

Raifael wrote:

Since 1888 wrote:vdWiel? Having a laugh. Adeleye>vdWiel.

Naah , think of a young Frank Rijkaard then you get van der Wiel.

Also add John (Johan) Goossens and Siem de Jong to the list

The future looks bright

With any luck you can flog these lot to a big clob in some years time.

Clob some sort of butter ?

Yeah there are some stupid clubs who would pay over the odds ; i.e. "Los Burros"

Juego de la Okkas wrote:There's another Chilean who is supposed to be very good. Marcelo Bielsa saw him play for the Under-21s and promoted him to the seniors (like with Mascherano). He calls him Messi.

You're referring to Valdivia, no? Only know about him because I was scouting him on Football Manager 2008 but coincidentally saw an article today saying he's had a falling out with the national team setup. Unfortunate if true.

kas wrote:
What? He did have a contract at Barça, and because of Arsenal's interest and him agreeing a deal with them, he stopped coming to training. It's only fair that we get compensated for that.

The same situation has involved Sporting and Arsenal/Chelsea.
Both London clubs invited our players to train with them, in both situations we've lost youth players.

Compensation? Very small. In Arsenal's case I don't think they've even paid us anything.

Poachers. That's what they do and I'm pretty sure they're quite proud of themselves.

kas wrote:

Juego de la Okkas wrote:There's another Chilean who is supposed to be very good. Marcelo Bielsa saw him play for the Under-21s and promoted him to the seniors (like with Mascherano). He calls him Messi.

You're referring to Valdivia, no? Only know about him because I was scouting him on Football Manager 2008 but coincidentally saw an article today saying he's had a falling out with the national team setup. Unfortunate if true.

No, Valdivia is much older - He's a number ten who plays for Palmeiras. I think the guys name is Nicolas Milian.

@ Luso
Have you seen Ibrahim play? (You own him)

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

Hlebadinho wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Juego de la Okkas wrote:Sadick ADAMS (Ghana)
)
Marauane FELLAINI (Belgium)

a star in the making

Denilson should be on the list.

Excellent talent, if slightly lacking in discipline. Can't see him playing in Belgium for too much longer.

His discipline will improve with age. As u say, it won't be too long before he's picked up by a foreign team. He's talented, but his physique( very important in the modern game) is what gives him advantage over most other talented youngsters. He's a monster!

I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

Well juligen21 knew who he and his brother were, so 99.9% is obviously not true. He's played for brazil in recent u17 tournaments

Juligen is only 1 person.

How many people do you think follow European football in Brazil like her, me, and Sheva? By "follow" I mean people who watch the games, and not only who watch the goals in the end of a TV football programme (usually only the goals scored by Brazilians), after one hour of Brazilian club football highlights and debates.

The TV audience of Champions League in Brazil is ridiculous next to the Brazilian League and Libertadores. And the TV audience of a u17 cup is ridiculous next to the TV audience of the Champions League. The only people who know this Fábio are the ones who watched the u17 cup. I didn't. I can assure you it was much less than 1% of the population.

L r d wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

Well juligen21 knew who he and his brother were, so 99.9% is obviously not true. He's played for brazil in recent u17 tournaments

L r d wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

Well juligen21 knew who he and his brother were, so 99.9% is obviously not true. He's played for brazil in recent u17 tournaments

Yeahh, but I am a freak that follows even under age competitions, so I dont count.

Todo is right, almost nobody heard about those kids because they still didn’t play in the professional football, and unlike Pato who got huge coverage on his debut, they dont have any kind of fame (or hype). Denilson from Arsenal also is completely unknown here, except for the people that now follow the Premier, my brother is a Sao Paulo supporter and he didn’t know who Denilson was. Those kids are going too young to Europe. Manu fans prob know more about them than brazilian fans.

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

No i agree. He's unknown here aswell. It's just that lerd has been saying he'll be better than Cafu etc.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

No i agree. He's unknown here aswell. It's just that lerd has been saying he'll be better than Cafu etc.

Never mentioned cafu. Only people to bring cafu up...is yourself and cotr. Fabio is a left back, why would you compare him to a right back

L r d wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

No i agree. He's unknown here aswell. It's just that lerd has been saying he'll be better than Cafu etc.

Never mentioned cafu. Only people to bring cafu up...is yourself and cotr. Fabio is a left back, why would you compare him to a right back

How am i supposed to remember which side he plays on, like todo said he is a nobody. You said he would be better than Roberto Carlos, still a silly thing to say.

mongrel hawk wrote:Juligen is only 1 person.

How many people do you think follow European football in Brazil like her, me, and Sheva? By "follow" I mean people who watch the games, and not only who watch the goals in the end of a TV football programme (usually only the goals scored by Brazilians), after one hour of Brazilian club football highlights and debates.

The TV audience of Champions League in Brazil is ridiculous next to the Brazilian League and Libertadores. And the TV audience of a u17 cup is ridiculous next to the TV audience of the Champions League. The only people who know this Fábio are the ones who watched the u17 cup. I didn't. I can assure you it was much less than 1% of the population.

L r d wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

Well juligen21 knew who he and his brother were, so 99.9% is obviously not true. He's played for brazil in recent u17 tournaments

Sure i don't expect you all to know this guy and the average person of course will not have no clue, and the average man utd fan the same no clue, but 99.99% is of course an exagerration. The people who support the team he is at now, anyone who heard about the u17 tournament or watched it, and then the freaks like juligen21
I know just one brazilian guy over here, hugo...and he knows them as well! he is a man utd fan though.
Maybe you havent heard of him, but he's still an awesome talent from what i have seen and hard

Kimbo wrote:

L r d wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:I've made a search about him on the internet. Really, he's totally unknown in Brazil. I assure you 99.99% of Brazilians never heard about him. How the hell we should know him if he never played for a big Brazilian team? Our players are going away too soon.

Kimbo wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
FABIO (Brazil) - Who?

Great answer todo!

No i agree. He's unknown here aswell. It's just that lerd has been saying he'll be better than Cafu etc.

Never mentioned cafu. Only people to bring cafu up...is yourself and cotr. Fabio is a left back, why would you compare him to a right back

How am i supposed to remember which side he plays on, like todo said he is a nobody. You said he would be better than Roberto Carlos, still a silly thing to say.

Nope AGAIN i didn't say that. I said i believe he and Anderson will go on to replicate some of the best players that have played in their positions.

This is what Tim Vickery wrote about them:

Monday, 26 March 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6494653.stm#questions

Tim Vickery column

YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED

With regards to the two Brazilian full-back twins Man Utd have apparently signed have you seen them play? If so are they good players and is the deal definitely done?
Paul Hughes

An interesting question which ties in with the article above.

I've been watching them in the South American Under-17 Championships, which Brazil won on Sunday. Rafael plays at right-back, Fabio, the captain, is left-back, though he's right footed.

They're both very impressive, especially Fabio, who was the second top scorer in the competition. They remind me of the Argentine Juan Pablo Sorin in terms of the variety of their attacking game - they can hit the bye-line, they have poise on the ball, can cut inside and exchange passes and they are both terrific attacking headers of the ball.

As I understand it, United have to wait until they're 18. Usually in this situation I'm sceptical about the players moving so early. With this one I can see the logic. Neither of them are fantastic defensively, and if they stay in Brazil, given the attacking importance of full-backs, they might be allowed to stay that way.

Perhaps United feel that if they get them over early they can develop this side of their game. The downside of course is that it's a gamble, and if it doesn't come off then the twins have far more to lose than United.

On the subject of these incredible brazilians

Sir Alex Ferguson launches attack on rivals over foreign imports
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article2813949.ece

http://notw.typepad.com/dunn/

What team does Fabio play for? They're probably not even in the first division.

There should be a rule where South American's can't be signed (including pre-contracts) until they are 18-20.

I seem to remember Lerd DID say that he'd be better than Roberto Carlos

Calidad wrote:What team does Fabio play for? They're probably not even in the first division.

There should be a rule where South American's can't be signed (including pre-contracts) until they are 18-20.

Fluminense is their club i think. I think they are in the 1st division. Like sporting previously they have some sort of agreement with man utd, i don't know how it works, but basically we have 1st option on all their players, and obviously saw some really talented youngsters awhile ago and then had the deal in place for when they could finally move.

And no Tweedle. Bluenine was right about you

a good interview with them http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/news/newsid=579269.html

Calidad wrote:What team does Fabio play for? They're probably not even in the first division.

There should be a rule where South American's can't be signed (including pre-contracts) until they are 18-20.

I'm sure there is already a rule about saying you can't sign them before they are under 18.

crouching punty wrote:

Calidad wrote:What team does Fabio play for? They're probably not even in the first division.

There should be a rule where South American's can't be signed (including pre-contracts) until they are 18-20.

I'm sure there is already a rule about saying you can't sign them before they are under 18.

Well maybe they're not allowed to turn out for their club before 18, but they're certainly signed before them. A recent example is Pato, another is Vela. Aguero was signed at 17 I think too.

I just checked Fluminense's squad on wiki, and neither Fabio or Raphahel are listed. So they must be in one of the youth or reserve teams. Hardly surprising that todo hasn't held of them then.

Well I saw overhyped Gregory van der Wiel play half a match today. He was shite.

Shouldn't be anywhere near the top 50.

Luigi Bruins who was MOTM for Feyenoord v Ajax today & had a great season so far, should be in the top 50. This kid oozes class.