Euro 2008 Draw thread

It's a disgrace!! Btw shows again how hated Oranje is these days...everyone is hoping for an early exit!!

Anyway it's a disgrace, The Teutonic Horde gets virtually a bye to the semi's ffs!! I know they have the biggest economy, and Jewefa needs the German money but still...it's a way of cheating!

Fey you dumb n****r, what you worried for you have the midget after all.

Holland’s competitive record against Italy is not of the best, I believe Holland has beaten Italy once in a competitive match?

Raifael wrote:Holland’s competitive record against Italy is not of the best, I believe Holland has beaten Italy once in a competitive match?

Yeah we play them like Jews, Feyenoord has a 100% perfect record against Italian opponents at home.

Anyway, Why couldnt it be Spain or Germany!! Those are easy to beat!!!

Gameplan vs Italians...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXq7xcnkis

Puro wrote:The toughest group EVER in the history of international competitions has been the one from World Cup 1982 in Spain: Italia, Perú, Poland, and Cameroon.

Italia won the World Cup that year, Poland finished in third place beating Platini's France. All the matches in this group of death were epic. Italia nearly lost to both Perú and Cameroon.

This Euro '08 may throw another group of death comparable with the strength of the one from WC 1982 IF: Netherlands, Italia, Germany, and France end up in the same group.

That wasnt a group of death Puro!! Besides Italy always nearly loss...nearly is the keyword here.

What do you make of the German matchfixing? Czech in the second round and Russia in the semi's

If only Whales managed to loss there..

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:


That wasnt a group of death Puro!! Besides Italy always nearly loss...nearly is the keyword here.

What do you make of the German matchfixing? Czech in the second round and Russia in the semi's

If only Whales managed to loss there..

If that wasn't a group of death, then I don't know anything. Italia were awesome. We were South America's third strongest team at the time, and if we lost a game it was against the very very best in the world, Poland were simply awesome back then from 1974-1986, and Cameroon were the best African team end of. Cameroon had the great N'Kono in goal and the great Roger Milla bossing their team.

You can punch Germany's ticket to the Final already. They've been my pick to win Euro '08 since, well since a while back. Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with their group!

I'm sure them Germans don't mind the sight of Portugal as potential block to the Final. Even if Germany were to lose to Croatia again, they will STILL make it as second place to the next round. It's all beautiful Fey, what's the matter!

Puro wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:


That wasnt a group of death Puro!! Besides Italy always nearly loss...nearly is the keyword here.

What do you make of the German matchfixing? Czech in the second round and Russia in the semi's

If only Whales managed to loss there..

If that wasn't a group of death, then I don't know anything. Italia were awesome. We were South America's third strongest team at the time, and if we lost a game it was against the very very best in the world, Poland were simply awesome back then from 1974-1986, and Cameroon were the best African team end of. Cameroon had the great N'Kono in goal and the great Roger Milla bossing their team.

You can punch Germany's ticket to the Final already. They've been my pick to win Euro '08 since, well since a while back. Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with their group!

I'm sure them Germans don't mind the sight of Portugal as potential block to the Final. Even if Germany were to lose to Croatia again, they will STILL make it as second place to the next round. It's all beautiful Fey, what's the matter!

Sure, Puro sure

A WC draw will never ever be as strong as a EC draw these are just facts! The EC is much harder then the WC, even though the WC has another extra round....

Euros harder than WC

So, according to everybody here Germany always get an easy group, and Holland always get a group of death. Where does that leave 2004 when they were both in the same group?

Effenberg wrote:So, according to everybody here Germany always get an easy group, and Holland always get a group of death. Where does that leave 2004 when they were both in the same group?

Fair enough...and in 2000 you hadnt it exactly easy either...but when you look in the past...Germany gets relative easy draws compared to us. And you did it on purpose as well by drawing with Wales!!! Which I stupid, Germany could beat Italy in a group stage, but not in the knockouts!

WG

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:

Effenberg wrote:So, according to everybody here Germany always get an easy group, and Holland always get a group of death. Where does that leave 2004 when they were both in the same group?

Fair enough...and in 2000 you hadnt it exactly easy either...but when you look in the past...Germany gets relative easy draws compared to us. And you did it on purpose as well by drawing with Wales!!! Which I stupid, Germany could beat Italy in a group stage, but not in the knockouts!

WG

Yes, we did hit the post on purpose in that match. We're THAT good.

Good luck with your group, by the way. If your coach weren't such a moron I'd see you getting through. With him I'm not so sure.

Belarus in the cold, fog etc...you can lose those. But Wales....at home?? Of course we aint gonna qualify..but at least there wont be any teasing foreplay..straigt action!!

We start against the World Champion...they never won of us, but we lost to them though

Good test for Scotland as well..so they can see where they stand in all this.!

Puro, you got the right WC for the toughest ever group of death, but selected the wrong one.

The toughest ever group in any competition was the 2nd round league group in WC 82, and that group had:

Italy (who won)
Brazil (arguably their best ever team, and definately one of their best with Zico, Socretes, Falcao, etc)
Argentina (The defending champions, with Maradona & co)

That was unbeliavable!! With only one team qualifying for the semis, this group was a killer!!! The group you mentioned was one of the closest contested ones ever, but not the toughest... the toughest one is mentioned above.

This group (Italy, Holland, France & Romania) is the toughest group since the WC expanded to 32 teams and Euro to 16.

Puro wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:


That wasnt a group of death Puro!! Besides Italy always nearly loss...nearly is the keyword here.

What do you make of the German matchfixing? Czech in the second round and Russia in the semi's

If only Whales managed to loss there..

If that wasn't a group of death, then I don't know anything. Italia were awesome. We were South America's third strongest team at the time, and if we lost a game it was against the very very best in the world, Poland were simply awesome back then from 1974-1986, and Cameroon were the best African team end of. Cameroon had the great N'Kono in goal and the great Roger Milla bossing their team.

You can punch Germany's ticket to the Final already. They've been my pick to win Euro '08 since, well since a while back. Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with their group!

I'm sure them Germans don't mind the sight of Portugal as potential block to the Final. Even if Germany were to lose to Croatia again, they will STILL make it as second place to the next round. It's all beautiful Fey, what's the matter!

Poor Romania, they got the group I wanted Portugal to avoid. I can't believe they were actually all chosen together...

On TV they mentioned the odds were 6,25% we would get drawed with Italy and France...what are the odds huh? All you need is a German who does the draw

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote: On TV they mentioned the odds were 6,25% we would get drawed with Italy and France...what are the odds huh? All you need is a German who does the draw

You are not suggesting...

I should have put money on Germany getting Austria - I nearly did I swear.
Der Kaiser's influence is scary...

Now we need to wait for the scandal to come out that Beckenbauer promises suitcases of money to the Austrians for 'going easy on the Krauts'.

Don't worry about the Austrians... Linz will step on Kahn again and start one hell of a commotion

DD wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote: On TV they mentioned the odds were 6,25% we would get drawed with Italy and France...what are the odds huh? All you need is a German who does the draw

You are not suggesting...

I should have put money on Germany getting Austria - I nearly did I swear.
Der Kaiser's influence is scary...

Now we need to wait for the scandal to come out that Beckenbauer promises suitcases of money to the Austrians for 'going easy on the Krauts'.

Come on DD.....6,25%!!!! Done by Klinsmann and der Kaiser!

Of course the Austria-Germany match will end in a draw...it will be like the famous 82 match. "After you Hans! No After you Fritz"

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:

DD wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote: On TV they mentioned the odds were 6,25% we would get drawed with Italy and France...what are the odds huh? All you need is a German who does the draw

You are not suggesting...

I should have put money on Germany getting Austria - I nearly did I swear.
Der Kaiser's influence is scary...

Now we need to wait for the scandal to come out that Beckenbauer promises suitcases of money to the Austrians for 'going easy on the Krauts'.

Come on DD.....6,25%!!!! Done by Klinsmann and der Kaiser!

Of course the Austria-Germany match will end in a draw...it will be like the famous 82 match. "After you Hans! No After you Fritz"

It cannot end in a draw. Where else would the Jarmans pop their millenium cherry!?

bluenine wrote:Puro, you got the right WC for the toughest ever group of death, but selected the wrong one.

The toughest ever group in any competition was the 2nd round league group in WC 82, and that group had:

Italy (who won)
Brazil (arguably their best ever team, and definately one of their best with Zico, Socretes, Falcao, etc)
Argentina (The defending champions, with Maradona & co)

That was unbeliavable!! With only one team qualifying for the semis, this group was a killer!!! The group you mentioned was one of the closest contested ones ever, but not the toughest... the toughest one is mentioned above.

This group (Italy, Holland, France & Romania) is the toughest group since the WC expanded to 32 teams and Euro to 16.

Puro wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:


That wasnt a group of death Puro!! Besides Italy always nearly loss...nearly is the keyword here.

What do you make of the German matchfixing? Czech in the second round and Russia in the semi's

If only Whales managed to loss there..

If that wasn't a group of death, then I don't know anything. Italia were awesome. We were South America's third strongest team at the time, and if we lost a game it was against the very very best in the world, Poland were simply awesome back then from 1974-1986, and Cameroon were the best African team end of. Cameroon had the great N'Kono in goal and the great Roger Milla bossing their team.

You can punch Germany's ticket to the Final already. They've been my pick to win Euro '08 since, well since a while back. Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with their group!

I'm sure them Germans don't mind the sight of Portugal as potential block to the Final. Even if Germany were to lose to Croatia again, they will STILL make it as second place to the next round. It's all beautiful Fey, what's the matter!

I don't think you can forget to mention England, Argentina, Sweden, Nigeria group of WC02

Two of the worlds best teams at the time...a strong European nation who topped the group, and what was the current best teams in Africa...with the likes of Yobo, Yakubu, Kanu, Utaka and Okocha!

Deano, all the 3 teams I mentioned in the 1982 group were better than all the 4 you mentioned. You can't even compare them! Imagine a group now with Brazil, Italy and Argentina, the 82 group would be better than that!

West Ham Snowman wrote:

bluenine wrote:Puro, you got the right WC for the toughest ever group of death, but selected the wrong one.

The toughest ever group in any competition was the 2nd round league group in WC 82, and that group had:

Italy (who won)
Brazil (arguably their best ever team, and definately one of their best with Zico, Socretes, Falcao, etc)
Argentina (The defending champions, with Maradona & co)

That was unbeliavable!! With only one team qualifying for the semis, this group was a killer!!! The group you mentioned was one of the closest contested ones ever, but not the toughest... the toughest one is mentioned above.

This group (Italy, Holland, France & Romania) is the toughest group since the WC expanded to 32 teams and Euro to 16.

Puro wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:


That wasnt a group of death Puro!! Besides Italy always nearly loss...nearly is the keyword here.

What do you make of the German matchfixing? Czech in the second round and Russia in the semi's

If only Whales managed to loss there..

If that wasn't a group of death, then I don't know anything. Italia were awesome. We were South America's third strongest team at the time, and if we lost a game it was against the very very best in the world, Poland were simply awesome back then from 1974-1986, and Cameroon were the best African team end of. Cameroon had the great N'Kono in goal and the great Roger Milla bossing their team.

You can punch Germany's ticket to the Final already. They've been my pick to win Euro '08 since, well since a while back. Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with their group!

I'm sure them Germans don't mind the sight of Portugal as potential block to the Final. Even if Germany were to lose to Croatia again, they will STILL make it as second place to the next round. It's all beautiful Fey, what's the matter!

I don't think you can forget to mention England, Argentina, Sweden, Nigeria group of WC02

Two of the worlds best teams at the time...a strong European nation who topped the group, and what was the current best teams in Africa...with the likes of Yobo, Yakubu, Kanu, Utaka and Okocha!

brazil italy argentina group is a bit different though, being a 2nd round group. that was effectively the qf stage of that tournament, right? an incredibly strong group nonetheless

i think the england argentina sweden nigeria is one of the nastier ones since the world cup increased in size - which generally makes for easier groups.

argentina, holland, ivory coast and serbia-montenegro from the last one was another particularly nasty example.

Well, that was the draw I didn't want. Not keen on playing Italy again, they'll be up for it thanks to Domenech, Romania are strong outsiders. Holland aren't that scary a proposition at the moment though, so who knows...

Puro wrote:

This Euro '08 may throw another group of death comparable with the strength of the one from WC 1982 IF: Netherlands, Italia, Germany, and France end up in the same group.

The actual group is even stronger

DD wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:

DD wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote: On TV they mentioned the odds were 6,25% we would get drawed with Italy and France...what are the odds huh? All you need is a German who does the draw

You are not suggesting...

I should have put money on Germany getting Austria - I nearly did I swear.
Der Kaiser's influence is scary...

Now we need to wait for the scandal to come out that Beckenbauer promises suitcases of money to the Austrians for 'going easy on the Krauts'.

Come on DD.....6,25%!!!! Done by Klinsmann and der Kaiser!

Of course the Austria-Germany match will end in a draw...it will be like the famous 82 match. "After you Hans! No After you Fritz"

It cannot end in a draw. Where else would the Jarmans pop their millenium cherry!?

Ah well....it's good for our economy when they win it.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Well, that was the draw I didn't want. Not keen on playing Italy again, they'll be up for it thanks to Domenech, Romania are strong outsiders. Holland aren't that scary a proposition at the moment though, so who knows...

Holland do have great great players: VDV, V. Persie, RVNR, Robben, Huntelaar, etc just to name a few. The only good thing is that Van Basten is the coach. Anything can happen in this group. Romania have a good team, but I don't think they will be upsetting the Big Three, because their players might lack in international experience.
The team that will be the better prepared will go through IMO. France have a little advantage over Italy since they took 4 points out of 6 against them during the qualification groups, but these games were played in September so the players were not well prepared. Still, Italy haven't beaten France since 1986, I think. So I can really see a draw there, and the two playing styles are very similar.

Lots of things can also happen from now to January like injuries, good players not playing enough in their club. For France the main problem is defensive, who will replace Thuram? and will Coupet back be as good as he used to be?

Didn't Thuram say he will only retire after the Euros? If not, I think maybe you could play Abidal there with Evra at LB.

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:

Puro wrote:

Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:


That wasnt a group of death Puro!! Besides Italy always nearly loss...nearly is the keyword here.

What do you make of the German matchfixing? Czech in the second round and Russia in the semi's

If only Whales managed to loss there..

If that wasn't a group of death, then I don't know anything. Italia were awesome. We were South America's third strongest team at the time, and if we lost a game it was against the very very best in the world, Poland were simply awesome back then from 1974-1986, and Cameroon were the best African team end of. Cameroon had the great N'Kono in goal and the great Roger Milla bossing their team.

You can punch Germany's ticket to the Final already. They've been my pick to win Euro '08 since, well since a while back. Needless to say I'm extremely pleased with their group!

I'm sure them Germans don't mind the sight of Portugal as potential block to the Final. Even if Germany were to lose to Croatia again, they will STILL make it as second place to the next round. It's all beautiful Fey, what's the matter!

Sure, Puro sure

A WC draw will never ever be as strong as a EC draw these are just facts! The EC is much harder then the WC, even though the WC has another extra round....

In 1970 Romania was in WC group with Brazil, England and Cehoslovacia.

Brazil - won that WC
England - the world champions from 1966
Cehoslovacia - european champions at that time (I think)

Alive and Kicking wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Well, that was the draw I didn't want. Not keen on playing Italy again, they'll be up for it thanks to Domenech, Romania are strong outsiders. Holland aren't that scary a proposition at the moment though, so who knows...

Holland do have great great players: VDV, V. Persie, RVNR, Robben, Huntelaar, etc just to name a few. The only good thing is that Van Basten is the coach. Anything can happen in this group. Romania have a good team, but I don't think they will be upsetting the Big Three, because their players might lack in international experience.
The team that will be the better prepared will go through IMO. France have a little advantage over Italy since they took 4 points out of 6 against them during the qualification groups, but these games were played in September so the players were not well prepared. Still, Italy haven't beaten France since 1986, I think. So I can really see a draw there, and the two playing styles are very similar.

Lots of things can also happen from now to January like injuries, good players not playing enough in their club. For France the main problem is defensive, who will replace Thuram? and will Coupet back be as good as he used to be?

A lot hinges on Coupet, because Frey and Landreau aren't up to his standards. However replacing Thuram with mexes isn't that big a drop in quality. Sagnol and Clerc are both excellent, and at LB the quality there is second to none.