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    Post by DS Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:49 am

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    Hicks and George Gillett could be forced to sell their ownership of
    Liverpool by the end of February to Arab investors or the bank which
    financed their takeover.

    The two Americans have encountered substantial difficulties in
    refinancing the £350m debt they incurred when buying the club last
    summer and are now reportedly unwilling to inject cash of their own in
    order to pacify the Royal Bank of Scotland, the bank from which it
    secured the loan.
    According to The Observer, Gillett and Hicks are attempting to
    transfer the debt on to Liverpool itself but 'city sources believe this
    is an extremely difficult task to complete before the loan's due date
    at the end of February.'
    'It is possible that the Americans will meet the deadline, but
    if not an Arab investment group, Dubai International Capital, is
    understood to be close to lodging an offer to buy out the American
    pair, probably for about £500m.n Takeover discussions are thought to be
    due before the end of this month,' the newspaper reports.
    Gillett and Hicks have already ordered plans for a proposed new
    stadium to be downscaled and bickered with manager Rafa Benitez over
    the need to invest in new players.
    With the size of their loan from RBS swelling to around the
    £350m mark, The Observer claims that 'attempts to restructure it have
    so far failed and the Americans have yet to inject new equity into the
    refinancing.
    'While RBS have asked Hicks and Gillett to each commit £20m of
    their own cash to the deal, City sources believe that at least one of
    the pair is not prepared to do so.
    'Should they fail in their efforts to repay the £350m
    acquisition debt on Liverpool when it comes due in just over six weeks,
    there would be the possibility of the next owner of the club becoming
    RBS.'
    RBS are not thought to be keen on that scenario and the greater
    likelihood is that DIC will take over the club they were on the verge
    of acquiring last year before chief executive Rick Parry switched his
    allegiances and supported the American bid. Should, as speculated, the
    group buy Liverpool for around £500m then both Gillett and Hicks would
    profit from their venture by approximately £75m.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:18 pm

    Where's this from? A credible source or otherwise?
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:22 pm

    This is the article from the Guardian's website: http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2240166,00.html
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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:51 pm

    I sosososososososo hope this is true. The Arabs wanted to buy Liverpool because they are actually FANS of the club, and this hands off and quite frankly unprofessional approach from the Americans is undermining the club.

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    Dubai lining up Liverpool takeover

    Dubai is on the verge of lodging an offer to buy English football giant Liverpool as the current owners are struggling to refinance debt incurred in the takeover and running of the club, UK media reported on Sunday.

    Dubai International Capital (DIC), the private equity investment arm of state-owned Dubai Holding, is thought to be preparing a bid of just under $1 billion and negotiations over a possible takeover are due before the end of February, according to UK weekly The Observer.

    DIC, together with Zabeel Investments, lost out to Americans Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr in a bid for Liverpool last February. Hicks and Gillett paid $340 million for the club and agreed to take over $87.7 million of debt, but the takeover was funded entirely with borrowed money.

    Hicks and Gillett have until the end of February before a loan that has swelled to around $685.2 million is due to be repaid. The pair, who are personally liable for the loan, are trying to transfer the debt onto the club, but bankers claim this will be almost impossible to do in the time remaining, the newspaper reported.

    Bankers say the global credit crunch has made the refinancing much more difficult.

    Sources have confirmed to the Observer that DIC remain interested in buying the football club, although when contacted by Arabian Banking & Finance on Sunday DIC had no comment to make.

    Sameer Al Ansari, CEO and chairman of DIC, is known to be a Liverpool fan.

    http://www.arabianbusiness.com/508053-dubai-lining-up-liverpool-takeover
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    Post by Football Genius Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:11 pm

    Get the yanks out says i Ale
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    Post by L.r.d Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:16 pm

    Well it's strange cause i thought they were the saviors to lift Liverpool up and compete with man utd and chelsea in the transfer market. I thought they were doing a grand job and all that, and they didn't even need to borrow no money........ what happenend here? Neutral Biggrin

    It will be better for Liverpool if these guys leave, cause they have no money to spend, they don't like Benitez and they talk so much $h!t. <Ale>
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    Post by Football Genius Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:18 pm

    L r d wrote:Well it's strange cause i thought they were the saviors to lift Liverpool up and compete with man utd and chelsea in the transfer market. I thought they were doing a grand job and all that, and they didn't even need to borrow no money........ what happenend here? Neutral Biggrin

    It will be better for Liverpool if these guys leave, cause they have no money to spend, they don't like Benitez and they talk so much $h!t. <Ale>

    LRD, you make it sound like its our (the fans) fault that the americans haven't delivered exactly what they suggested they would.

    We can only trust what they say, and since they haven't delivered there is no trust, hence its time for them to leave.

    Don't come here under false pretence, if you don't intend to invest large quantities of money don't fucking say you are. Ale
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    Post by Sir Les Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:15 pm

    Presumably they didn't start the plan for a new stadium costing another £350m if they had no idea how they were going to finance existing loans let alone twice as much. Or did they?
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    Post by Football Genius Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:22 pm

    King Otto wrote:Presumably they didn't start the plan for a new stadium costing another £350m if they had no idea how they were going to finance existing loans let alone twice as much. Or did they?

    The investment market has changed considerably since the Americans took over, its quite plausable that the avenues of lending they may have been looking to use dried up, and as a result have to either put their own cash up or find alternative sources.

    My major fustration is due to the noises they made and catergorical suggestions they made, which was on the basis they were aware of the cost implications, then when it comes down to it, its clear they don't want to invest anymore of their money into the club, and quite adversely want to use the club as the collateral to raise funds.

    I hope they end up going...


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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:22 pm

    Football Genius wrote:
    L r d wrote:Well it's strange cause i thought they were the saviors to lift Liverpool up and compete with man utd and chelsea in the transfer market. I thought they were doing a grand job and all that, and they didn't even need to borrow no money........ what happenend here? Neutral Biggrin

    It will be better for Liverpool if these guys leave, cause they have no money to spend, they don't like Benitez and they talk so much $h!t. <Ale>

    LRD, you make it sound like its our (the fans) fault that the americans haven't delivered exactly what they suggested they would.

    We can only trust what they say, and since they haven't delivered there is no trust, hence its time for them to leave.

    Don't come here under false pretence, if you don't intend to invest large quantities of money don't fucking say you are. Ale

    More specifically, I think Lrd holds the Liverpool fans on this board personally responsible. Just as he too takes credit for every United win.

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    Post by Sir Les Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:32 pm

    Football Genius wrote:
    King Otto wrote:Presumably they didn't start the plan for a new stadium costing another £350m if they had no idea how they were going to finance existing loans let alone twice as much. Or did they?

    The investment market has changed considerably since the Americans took over, its quite plausable that the avenues of lending they may have been looking to use dried up, and as a result have to either put their own cash up or find alternative sources.

    My major fustration is due to the noises they made and catergorical suggestions they made, which was on the basis they were aware of the cost implications, then when it comes down to it, its clear they don't want to invest anymore of their money into the club, and quite adversely want to use the club as the collateral to raise funds.

    I hope they end up going...

    Yes but even recently they have been talking about increasing the investment in the new ground. I didn't realise that they had not gone the Man U route and stuck all their debt onto the club.
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    Post by StevieG Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:33 pm

    get rid of the yanks .


    and rafa wins the battle Very Happy
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    Post by Historicus Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:46 pm

    I really hope this is true. Hicks and Gillett have done nothing productive aside from allowing Rafa to buy Fernando Torres. They didn't allow Rafa to make the moves he needed to make ahead of the January Window to improve the squad, and in my opinion their threats that Rafa's job is on the line has caused him to be overly conservative with his game plans, because he's afraid to take a chance and maybe lose his job.
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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:48 pm

    Historicus wrote:I really hope this is true. Hicks and Gillett have done nothing productive aside from allowing Rafa to buy Fernando Torres. They didn't allow Rafa to make the moves he needed to make ahead of the January Window to improve the squad, and in my opinion their threats that Rafa's job is on the line has caused him to be overly conservative with his game plans, because he's afraid to take a chance and maybe lose his job.

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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:59 pm

    Crouching Tiger wrote:
    Historicus wrote:I really hope this is true. Hicks and Gillett have done nothing productive aside from allowing Rafa to buy Fernando Torres. They didn't allow Rafa to make the moves he needed to make ahead of the January Window to improve the squad, and in my opinion their threats that Rafa's job is on the line has caused him to be overly conservative with his game plans, because he's afraid to take a chance and maybe lose his job.

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    Welcome mate <Ale>

    And I agree with what you say aswell ok
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    Post by Axeslammer Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:27 am

    Dark Savante wrote:
    'Should they fail in their efforts to repay the £350m
    acquisition debt on Liverpool when it comes due in just over six weeks,
    there would be the possibility of the next owner of the club becoming
    RBS.'

    If the Royal Bank of Scotland becomes the next owner of Liverpool, will that also mean they'll be forced to transfer to the SPL ?









    .....so they can compete for third place over there ? Twisted Evil
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:13 am

    Crouching Tiger wrote:I sosososososososo hope this is true. The Arabs wanted to buy Liverpool because they are actually FANS of the club, and this hands off and quite frankly unprofessional approach from the Americans is undermining the club.

    Sorry but this is balls. They are businessmen just like the Glazers, and Gillette and Hicks. The only difference is that the current owners understand owning sports teams - DIC don't.
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    Post by fcb Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:38 am

    In fact, their understanding of running sports teams is actually IMO hindering their ownership of Liverpool. They want to do it their American way, but Benitez expects something else. At least with DIC they'll just appoint others in the know to actually run the club. Look at what the Glazers have done at Man. United - no interference whatsoever.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:25 pm

    Do you really believe that? With Glazer's kids a majority on the board and ticket prices spiralling upwards?

    I'm not saying a DIC takeover would be a bad thing but I can't see that it would be any better than the current ownership.
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    Post by fcb Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:58 am

    DIC about to make a 500 million pound offer to buy out both Americans:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7197675.stm
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    Post by DS Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:20 pm

    So they would offer more then the last time ? Even when the current ownership has problems?
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    Post by Lordanger Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:38 pm

    please let souness buy them so he can be manager and owner!!
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:52 pm

    Everyone's favourite American owners are staying

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7203724.stm
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    Post by Cesc Soler Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:13 pm

    Most Liverpool fans will be upset at this news, they want the American duo out.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:30 pm

    PROBABLY NOT GOOD NEWS FOR RAFA
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:39 pm

    Glenn Hysén wrote:PROBABLY NOT GOOD NEWS FOR RAFA

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    Post by fcb Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:00 am

    It's complicated behind the scenes:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-liverpool-hicks&prov=ap&type=lgns



    AP NewsBreak: Co-owner Tom Hicks looks for outside backing to take control of Liverpool

    By ROB HARRIS, Associated Press Writer 5 hours, 21 minutes ago

    LIVERPOOL, England (AP)—Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks is exploring how to take control of the club by acquiring all or part of George Gillett Jr.’s 50 percent stake.

    The preferred option is to raise private equity, possibly for his entire sports group, a person familiar with Hicks’ plans told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

    The duo bought the Premier League club for $431 million as 50-50 partners last March, but Gillett is seeking to sell his share and Hicks is trying to raise money to become the majority owner.

    Hicks alluded this week that Gillett was exploring a sale of his stake to Dubai Capital International. And in an interview with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Hicks publicly affirmed his power to block Gillett from selling his shares.

    Gillett’s ongoing discussions to sell to DIC again were confirmed Friday to The Associated Press by a financial industry executive familiar with negotiations. The executive spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of talks.

    If Hicks could secure sufficient funding to become the controlling owner at Anfield, it would send a defiant message to fans that he will be a long-term fixture at English soccer’s most-decorated club.

    DIC was in talks to acquire the club a year ago but withdrew. DIC—the private-equity investment arm of the Dubai government—is only interested in acquiring a controlling stake, the executive told the AP.

    Roy Winnick, a New York-based spokesman for Hicks, wouldn’t comment on his client’s options.

    Hicks could attempt to buy out Gillett’s shares and personal guarantees, which were central to last month’s refinancing of the loan used to purchase Liverpool. The price of a buyout by Hicks of Gillett would be about $300 million, the financial industry executive said.

    A person familiar with Hicks’ plans ruled out a public offering of shares in Hicks Sports Group, which includes baseball’s Texas Rangers and the NHL’s Dallas Stars as well as the 50 percent stake in Liverpool through Kop Holdings. The person cited volatility in the global financial markets.

    The window of opportunity for that option may reopen before the end of the year, but isn’t currently viable, the person added.

    But the executive, who has been in contact with JP Morgan Chase & Co., said Hicks has been looking into the feasibility of a private placement to raise money.

    Last month, Hicks revealed he had spoken to DIC about a “10 to 15 percent participation” but that his valuation was viewed by DIC too high.

    Since then, Hicks has told the AP that he wants to take a “more active role” at Anfield, while affirming his commitment to the club “regardless” of Gillett’s actions earlier this week.

    But DIC and Gillett are in constant negotiations, according to financial executive said. The Dubai consortium is only interested in gaining control of the Reds, the executive said. That would require Hicks to sell shares, something that isn’t being considered.

    “He’s not in the market to sell, but he’s in the market to buy more shares,” another person close to Hicks said, also speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the deal.

    Hicks said this week he is preparing to “fix the situation.”

    “Not only am I not going to sell, my partner cannot sell without my approval,” Hicks said in Thursday’s Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “So, I kind of have the ability to determine the outcome of what is going to happen, and I am right in the middle of that.”

    Since attending a December match against Manchester United, Gillett and son Foster Gillett have been less visible at Liverpool and Hicks has become the ownership spokesman.

    Many fans have turned against the American owners, who publicly feuded last autumn with popular manager Rafa Benitez over player transfers. Hicks has acknowledged he sought out former Germany coach Juergen Klinsmann in November as a possible replacement for Benitez, which enflamed tensions.

    But last week Benitez spoke warmly about encouraging and motivational e-mails sent by Hicks, while stating that Gillett hadn’t entered into similar electronic correspondence.

    A group of Liverpool fans is also hoping to buy the club from the Americans. Share Liverpool FC is trying to raise $990 million by asking fans to pledge $9,900 each.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:23 am

    So, in summary:

    dodgy Jews take over Man Utd - Liverpool fans gloat, talking about debts, bankruptcy, fallings out with the manager and how it was the end of Man U as a force in English football. A few years later and Man U look as strong as ever.

    Dodgy Jews take over Liverpool - Liverpool fans rejoice, talking about these are the guys, they'll take Liverpool to the next level, the league title is just around the corner etc. etc. The following few months are dominated by arguments between the board and the manager, spiralling debts being transferred onto the club (including the money to buy Torres) and now one of the two is looking to get out as fast as possible by any means possible, leaving Liverpool in the possible situation of having two rival investors, neither of which knows anything about football, arguing over who gets to sack Benitez.


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    Post by Batman Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:59 pm

    If dick buy Liverpool from the american cowboys, does this mean that Liverpool are a second hand club?
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    Post by fcb Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:17 pm

    Talks betw. DIC and Hicks have broken down, presumably for good this time. Liverpool fans better hope that Gillett and Hicks can sort out their differences now, otherwise transfer activity in the summer will be impacted.

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