Otto,Pierre and Puro.Your best England XI

Allez les rouges wrote:Hm, Bullard expressed an interest in playing for die Mannschaft I see

I remember reading about that before the World Cup. Rather audacious move from him although it would have been priceless to see Jimmy Bullard lining up for Germany!

I can't remember the report too well now, was he genuinely serious or was it a bit of a prank?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/4822128.stm

To be honest I just Wikipedia'd him to check he was English!

A lovely ambition, but there's a wee bit of competition

Dark Savante wrote:You mean the City game we dominated , Spurs game we won?

I would have Gerrard in a England team no prob at all.


--------------Green/Carson/Foster---------------
(Green at the moment as for the moment he seems better, let Carson seal a permanent deal and get settled or Foster to have atleast one full season, Joe Hart if he keeps up his performance).

RB-----------Nev,Michah Richards , Glen Johnson 3 and we are searching for a fourth arent we , simpson if we makes himself a regular for Man Utd , Hoyte if he establishes himself.
Weak area.

CB --------Rio/Woodgate(if he gets back to his best)/Terry/King/Lescott.

LB Ashley Cole first choice no doubt /Bridge/Baines ?/Shorey?

CM-Hargy/Gerrard/Barry/Carrick/Lampard/ etc etc.

Wingers- Ashely Young ,Cole,Agbonlahor,Lennon

SS Rooney
CF Ashton/Crouch/Owen

The formation would also be 4231 for me , Gerrard can play in middle or RM , Agbonlahor can play SS or RM as well as its a wing forward position.

What about the Bolton game we lost?

City was a mess, yes we dominated but no incisive balls in the 2nd half in the confusion of roles between Scholes dropping too deep, Carrick moving to the left side.

Spurs game we can all agree was a mediocre performance from central midfield and the game turned when ginger prince was introduced

We win these games in spite of them because we have a fabulous front 3, not because of them.

Parks lives wrote:

robert wrote:Carrick and Hargreaves doesn't work, every time they have paired for man utd it's been a pile of $h!t.

Can't agree there. They've played two or three times together, both were good against Spurs and we dominated against Citeh even if we didn't win.

We've discussed this on the man utd board before boys. Carrick likes to sit deep, Hargreaves as part of his job description does sit deep. No one occupying space up front of giving us a central presence in the final 3rd.

Also we know Carrick, takes him 5 games to get comfortable in his surroundings. By the time he gets to play well 1) England will be out of the reckoning because they don't have as talented a front line as Man utd. 2) He will still play badly after 5 games because the media will tear his confidence to shreds.

shazlx wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:CM-Hargy/Gerrard/Barry/Carrick/Lampard

. Why s he being considered at all, even for the squad. Stop putting his name up. He has never, I repeat, never played well as a CM for England. I would rather play Reo-fucking-Coker, not to mention all the other better English midfielders like Michael Johnson, Mullins, Noble, Parker, Huddleston, Jenas, Barton ...

Why not hes an option , specially for the place behind the striker , he's a limited player but the hate for him is too much.

robert wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:You mean the City game we dominated , Spurs game we won?

I would have Gerrard in a England team no prob at all.


--------------Green/Carson/Foster---------------
(Green at the moment as for the moment he seems better, let Carson seal a permanent deal and get settled or Foster to have atleast one full season, Joe Hart if he keeps up his performance).

RB-----------Nev,Michah Richards , Glen Johnson 3 and we are searching for a fourth arent we , simpson if we makes himself a regular for Man Utd , Hoyte if he establishes himself.
Weak area.

CB --------Rio/Woodgate(if he gets back to his best)/Terry/King/Lescott.

LB Ashley Cole first choice no doubt /Bridge/Baines ?/Shorey?

CM-Hargy/Gerrard/Barry/Carrick/Lampard/ etc etc.

Wingers- Ashely Young ,Cole,Agbonlahor,Lennon

SS Rooney
CF Ashton/Crouch/Owen

The formation would also be 4231 for me , Gerrard can play in middle or RM , Agbonlahor can play SS or RM as well as its a wing forward position.

What about the Bolton game we lost?

City was a mess, yes we dominated but no incisive balls in the 2nd half in the confusion of roles between Scholes dropping too deep, Carrick moving to the left side.

Spurs game we can all agree was a mediocre performance from central midfield and the game turned when ginger prince was introduced

We win these games in spite of them because we have a fabulous front 3, not because of them.

Yes that was the fault not the midfield , I love the Ginger prince but to say he turned the game against Spurs is a bit too much , a long ball from the GK route 1 turned that ,and ask anyone both Carrick and Hargy were good in the game.

And you took 3 games and decided , did Vidic,Evra faced the same decision did Ronaldo too?

I'm taking 3 games to decide it is not good enough, you are taking 3 game to decide that it IS good enough, what's the difference.

On Scholes making a difference, perhaps to say turned the game is over the top, but certainly his passing greased the wheels far better than Carrick and Hargreaves had been doing.

Dark Savante wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:CM-Hargy/Gerrard/Barry/Carrick/Lampard

. Why s he being considered at all, even for the squad. Stop putting his name up. He has never, I repeat, never played well as a CM for England. I would rather play Reo-fucking-Coker, not to mention all the other better English midfielders like Michael Johnson, Mullins, Noble, Parker, Huddleston, Jenas, Barton ...

Why not hes an option , specially for the place behind the striker , he's a limited player but the hate for him is too much.

I'd rather have another striker on or put Bently/J.Cole there. And if we're desperate we can put Gerrard there. Anyhow, there is no way I would sub off Rooney for Lampard and there's no way I would play them next to each other.

Injuries Shazlx.

Dark Savante wrote:Injuries Shazlx.

There's Crouch, Agbonlahor, C.Cole, Ashton, Defoe, Kitson, Lita, Bent, Johnson, Owen, Heskey... and even Walcott. There would have to to be a huge injury crisis for me to consider Lampard.

ARNAUD:

GK: Foster

RB: Glen Johnson

CB: Ledley King/Micah Richards/Lescott (have to have reserves as King is always injured)

CB: Rio (C)

LB: A.Cole (Bridge is way better at football but he's not an athlete - I don't really like white fullbacks to tell you the truth)

RM: Bentley but under that c**t Ramos Lennon is looking way better than before.

CM: Hargreaves

CM: Jenas

LM: Young

SS: Rooney

CF: Heskey, Carlton Cole, Crouch or (I never thought I'd say this) Agbonlahor.


* None of this bullshit where players argue over FK's - set pieces are Young's and that's final !

Pierre Littbarski wrote:ARNAUD:

GK: Foster

RB: Glen Johnson

CB: Ledley King/Micah Richards/Lescott (have to have reserves as King is always injured)

CB: Rio (C)

LB: A.Cole (Bridge is way better at football but he's not an athlete - I don't really like white fullbacks to tell you the truth)

RM: Bentley but under that c**t Ramos Lennon is looking way better than before.

CM: Hargreaves

CM: Jenas

LM: Young

SS: Rooney

CF: Heskey, Carlton Cole, Crouch or (I never thought I'd say this) Agbonlahor.


* None of this bullshit where players argue over FK's - set pieces are Young's and that's final !

No J.Cole at all??? And how can you have Jenas???? Confounding to say the least.

Amazing, Arnauds England team hasn't changed in years. Try and think up some new and improved overly controversial opinions mate.

-------------------Hart-------------------

Neville--Ferdinand--Richards--A.Cole

---------------Hargreaves---------------
Bentley----------------------------Young
------------------J.Cole-------------------

--------------Rooney--Bent--------------


I would put Campbell in there as him and Ferdinand had a great partnership that was needlessly broken up, but we're preparing for 2010 so he's out of the question. King and Woodgate can't be relied on so they're out. So i would stick Richards in there, but the only problem is that leaves the unreliable Neville at RB with no good back up.

Also Owen is finished so that means Heskey is also out of the question.

shazlx wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Injuries Shazlx.

There's Crouch, Agbonlahor, C.Cole, Ashton, Defoe, Kitson, Lita, Bent, Johnson, Owen, Heskey... and even Walcott. There would have to to be a huge injury crisis for me to consider Lampard.

None of them is a CAM , someone who plays in hole.

Dark Savante wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Dark Savante wrote:Injuries Shazlx.

There's Crouch, Agbonlahor, C.Cole, Ashton, Defoe, Kitson, Lita, Bent, Johnson, Owen, Heskey... and even Walcott. There would have to to be a huge injury crisis for me to consider Lampard.

None of them is a CAM , someone who plays in hole.

Te he he, Lampard plays in the hole? Any how I said I would rather play a striker instead of him. The reasons I didn't put any AM is because I've already stated better ones. 1st of all Crouch can play there and J.Cole, Bently and even Gerrard. Even Dunne.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:ARNAUD:

GK: Foster

RB: Glen Johnson

CB: Ledley King/Micah Richards/Lescott (have to have reserves as King is always injured)

CB: Rio (C)

LB: A.Cole (Bridge is way better at football but he's not an athlete - I don't really like white fullbacks to tell you the truth)

RM: Bentley but under that c**t Ramos Lennon is looking way better than before.

CM: Hargreaves

CM: Jenas

LM: Young

SS: Rooney

CF: Heskey, Carlton Cole, Crouch or (I never thought I'd say this) Agbonlahor.


* None of this bullshit where players argue over FK's - set pieces are Young's and that's final !

Some interesting choices but at international level that looks a pretty average team.

I know for many on this board (me included) Lampard is the antithesis of a footballer, but come on, he has more of an international record than the likes of Johnson!

Also, I've heard Neville described as lots of things, but rarely "unreliable"!

Still not convinced by Glen Johnson.

Richards should remain right back for all eternity- why convert him into a centre half when we have a plethora of central defenders already?

Pierre- what about Ashton? The big man is quality, anyone with a nuance of sense knows this. Will prove it when he remains injury free.

Young should certainly be in the team sooner rather than later - he is the missing set piece link since Beckham stopped becoming a regular. And he can beat a man.

I admire you putting in Jenas, as in my opinion he is looking a quality player under Ramos, but even I have to chuckle at the thought of him getting in infront of Gerrard and co

Yo Arnaud! For me, this is Capello's England when going for a must win.

---------------------------Almunia/Carson/Green--------------------------

Johnson/Richards-------King/Richards-----------Rio-------Bridge-----

---------------------------Hargreaves-------------------

Lennon/SWP----------------------------------------------Young/J.Cole

------------------------------Jenas----------------------------

------------------------Heskey------------------Rooney



and against superior opposition.

---------------------------Almunia/Carson/Green--------------------------

Johnson/Richards----King/Richards-------Rio---------A.Cole-----

-------------------------Hargreaves----Huddlestone-------------------

Lennon/SWP--------------------------------------------Young/J.Cole

----------------------------Gerrard-----------------------


-----------------------------Heskey-------------------------------------

Sigh.

Jenas, Huddlestone and Johnson.

Not to mention Almunia in goal.

-------------Carson---------------

Richards---Rio---Woodgate---Cole

--------Hargreaves--Barry--------

Lennon--------------------Young

-------------Rooney-------------

-------------Ashton*-------------

* Or someone like Agbonlahor or Bent (pacy but als good at heading) depending on the opposition

Almost went for Bentley on the right but though two dynamic wingers was imperitive.

Against certain teams, Hargreaves or Barry could be replaced by a more offensive option of Joe Cole or Bentley.

No Gerrard, no Lampard

New manager

Same old arguments

Reading this thread is like having a five year long sense of deja vu

The team will of course be largely the same as it usually is. The difference will come if Capello can prove to get more out of the same players than Mc'Clown did.

Yo Arnaud! After watching Carson not being able to save a free kick right down the middle, that was that for me. I will still go with James. Only reason I dropped him earlier was because of his age. For me, this is Capello's England when going for a must win.

---------------------------Almunia/James/Green--------------------------

Johnson/Richards-------King/Richards-----------Rio-------Bridge-----

---------------------------Hargreaves-------------------

Lennon/SWP----------------------------------------------Young/J.Cole

------------------------------Jenas----------------------------

------------------------Heskey------------------Rooney



and against superior opposition.

---------------------------Almunia/James/Green--------------------------

Johnson/Richards----King/Richards-------Rio---------A.Cole-----

-------------------------Hargreaves----Huddlestone-------------------

Lennon/SWP--------------------------------------------Young/J.Cole

----------------------------Gerrard-----------------------


-----------------------------Heskey-------------------------------------

Good luck to Capello! Hype aside, he doesn't have much to work with, but he's one of the best coaches around so I expect him to guide these bunch of overrated mostly talentless hoofers to reach a quarterfinal with Capello. He will overachieve with all the Cr@p he has at his disposal, pretty much just like Sven. Only difference is that in the recent past most English fans thought they had "7 or 8 world class players plus Rooney". They have in reality no world class players plus ZEROoney, but you already knew that.

@puro

I REALLY rate a team like Denmark, Sweden, Greece, Turkey and certaily Croatia higher than ENgland right now

MAN for fucking MAN

Capello will park the bus, and make sure England don't lose very often

even against good teams

problem is

it will not be enough to qualify

+

the people in Singapore , HK and Bangkok will completely fall out of love with England

the FA should have gone for Klinsi and given him 8 years to introduce long-term structural changes

Allez les rouges wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:ARNAUD:

GK: Foster

RB: Glen Johnson

CB: Ledley King/Micah Richards/Lescott (have to have reserves as King is always injured)

CB: Rio (C)

LB: A.Cole (Bridge is way better at football but he's not an athlete - I don't really like white fullbacks to tell you the truth)

RM: Bentley but under that c**t Ramos Lennon is looking way better than before.

CM: Hargreaves

CM: Jenas

LM: Young

SS: Rooney

CF: Heskey, Carlton Cole, Crouch or (I never thought I'd say this) Agbonlahor.


* None of this bullshit where players argue over FK's - set pieces are Young's and that's final !

Some interesting choices but at international level that looks a pretty average team.

...er yeah, I was only allowed to pick English players

Genuine

I just thought the midfield looked a bit lightweight, not convinced by Heskey and Johnson, but I won't be the one to argue with you...