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    Post by Dwarf Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:12 pm

    Surrendering our souls to evil oppressive European dictator's removing the last piece of traditionalism in our game.

    In the land of the sane, about time we complied with the rest of European club football.

    SSN the only confirmation at the moment.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:15 pm

    What is this a question or is it actually oing to happen ?

    I think its good for the big teams who have better squads but worse for the small teams. It will increase the divide the league even further.

    For my club its pretty gonews cos i expect us to have a big squad next season so it will increase our options in games.
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    Post by Dwarf Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:27 pm

    Sgoater1 wrote:
    What is this a question or is it actually oing to happen ?

    Fully agreed, at least I believe.


    I think its good for the big teams who have better squads but worse for the small teams. It will increase the divide the league even further.

    For my club its pretty gonews cos i expect us to have a big squad next season so it will increase our options in games.

    It'll make little difference, it just ensures in that odd situation that it does the manager won't be punished unnecessarily.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:38 pm

    Oh right, well good news for us, it means instead of having 1 or 2 strikers you could have 3 and if a team is up against it eg U*d awa at Bolton losing 1-0 its a massive advantage to have another striker to bring on.

    It will be a big blow to small teams, especially those who get promoted. Still from my position it will be good for City cos we have a fairly big squad by next season.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:50 pm

    A long time overdue IMO. Serie A and La Liga have had this for a long time.

    Maybe it will mean that the clubs with smaller squads can put more British talent on their bench.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:19 pm

    About time.. what is the point of only having 4 players (forgotting the keeper) on the bench? You can't really change a game dramatically if you always have 1 def, 1 mid, 1 attacker + one more on the bench.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:17 pm

    Premier League ratifies more subs
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    Premier League clubs will be allowed to name seven substitutes in matches from the start of next season.

    The change was suggested by Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy last year and replicates the regulations in European and international games.

    The Premier League agreed to discuss the issue, amid concerns that it would favour clubs with big squads.

    Premier League voting rules require 14 out of the 20 member clubs to back any suggested rule changes.

    Coaches are currently restricted to naming five substitutes, and are able to use a maximum of three of them.

    But Levy told his club's official website: "We have promoted and lobbied for this rule change for some time and we are absolutely delighted our proposal was supported by member clubs.


    606: DEBATE
    Your thoughts on the change

    "It is important to give our managers greater choice on the bench, enabling them to be more creative tactically.

    "That was the objective behind us bringing this proposal to the table.

    "Additionally, it should also mean that younger players from the academy can be given an opportunity to break into the first team."
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:28 am

    Its a good move IMO.
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    Post by poiuy1 Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:48 am

    It's not really going to have that big an effect as people are saying between big teams and the minnows

    you can still only have 11 players on the pitch at any time and three substitutes a game

    for me it is only positive as it means there is more chance of youth prospects making the 18 and being in and around the matchday setup

    it encourages squad depth which will only increase the quality of the premiership
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:21 pm

    Cesc wrote:A long time overdue IMO. Serie A and La Liga have had this for a long time.

    Maybe it will mean that the clubs with smaller squads can put more British talent on their bench.

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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:57 pm

    Ade Alves wrote:
    Cesc wrote:A long time overdue IMO. Serie A and La Liga have had this for a long time.

    Maybe it will mean that the clubs with smaller squads can put more British talent on their bench.

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    Post by Luis Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:02 pm

    Ade Alves wrote:
    Cesc wrote:A long time overdue IMO. Serie A and La Liga have had this for a long time.

    Maybe it will mean that the clubs with smaller squads can put more British talent on their bench.

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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:37 pm

    Long overdue. Ale

    Spurs played a big pardt in bringing the rule change about ok
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:13 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Ade Alves wrote:
    Cesc wrote:A long time overdue IMO. Serie A and La Liga have had this for a long time.

    Maybe it will mean that the clubs with smaller squads can put more British talent on their bench.

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    Why would it mean that? The problem is the low quality-cost ratio of English players. That isn't solved by the sub's bench being longer.
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    Post by DS Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:19 pm

    Saints the difference would be like we have Danny Wellbeck who is 17 and given a squad no but it would be risk to start with him but he can be on the bench if the bench was 7 players as it would mean lesser risk.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:24 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:Saints the difference would be like we have Danny Wellbeck who is 17 and given a squad no but it would be risk to start with him but he can be on the bench if the bench was 7 players as it would mean lesser risk.

    And no offence to the lad but either he's worth a punt or he isn't. Sitting on the bench does nothing to aid a player's development.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:25 pm

    Whilst I think it is more likely that we will see the top clubs put seven high quality, experienced players on the bench, there is the potential that this will give greater opportunities for young players at these clubs to get first team experience. A manager might not be willing to put a couple of youngsters on a five man subs bench because it limits his options if he needs experienced players to change the game. With seven men on the bench a manager can have a selection of experienced players, but also have a couple of youngsters so that if the result is safe he can give them an opportunity to play. It would be nice if that happens, although I wouldn't be surprised if it just rewards clubs with more established squad players.
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    Post by DS Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:28 pm

    Huey wrote:
    Dark Savante wrote:Saints the difference would be like we have Danny Wellbeck who is 17 and given a squad no but it would be risk to start with him but he can be on the bench if the bench was 7 players as it would mean lesser risk.

    And no offence to the lad but either he's worth a punt or he isn't. Sitting on the bench does nothing to aid a player's development.
    There is alot of times when the player will get his chance more likely if he is on the bench rather then he isnt in the picture completely , we have lots of game where we can put a youngster on but couldnt as we havent put any there to give a chance , players can impress in these cameos , scraps and give a manager to see them in a real match situation which maybe leading to better chances like subs earlier in crucial periods or starts altogether.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:31 pm

    Okay, try this one on for size - will this make it more likely that a promising youngster will simply sit on the bench all season rather than spending time on loan getting regular football at a smaller club?

    Regardless, the problem isn't really about players getting time on the pitch, it's about them being too Cr@p to begin with due to poor coaching.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:32 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:
    Huey wrote:
    Dark Savante wrote:Saints the difference would be like we have Danny Wellbeck who is 17 and given a squad no but it would be risk to start with him but he can be on the bench if the bench was 7 players as it would mean lesser risk.

    And no offence to the lad but either he's worth a punt or he isn't. Sitting on the bench does nothing to aid a player's development.
    There is alot of times when the player will get his chance more likely if he is on the bench rather then he isnt in the picture completely , we have lots of game where we can put a youngster on but couldnt as we havent put any there to give a chance , players can impress in these cameos , scraps and give a manager to see them in a real match situation which maybe leading to better chances like subs earlier in crucial periods or starts altogether.


    ok

    If you are at 1-1 and in need of a goal, you bring on the experienced striker (in our case Saha) if you are 3-0 and coasting you bring on the young striker (Wellbeck) and he can get some good experience playing in a league game.
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    Post by DS Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:36 pm

    Huey wrote:Okay, try this one on for size - will this make it more likely that a promising youngster will simply sit on the bench all season rather than spending time on loan getting regular football at a smaller club?

    Regardless, the problem isn't really about players getting time on the pitch, it's about them being too Cr@p to begin with due to poor coaching.
    At times its about risk , how much is the manager willing to take the risk if it results in loss of points , many managers today arent willing to take the chance it isnt about English youth, I have no doubt Simspon would have appeared more if he would have on the the bench but Fergie prefers O Shea who could replace a CB or FB not taking risk on Pique,Simspon.
    Simple as that , if the players arent ready they will be sent on loan if the manager thinks they are ready/almost ready but can they handle the pressure then what he cant take a risk he isnt willing to , the player get sold after few loans G Rossi being an example.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:39 pm

    Yep, I'm sure the main reason O'Shea often makes the bench is because he can cover so many positions where as players like Pique, Fletcher, Silvestre, Simpson can only cover one, at the most two.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:43 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:
    Huey wrote:Okay, try this one on for size - will this make it more likely that a promising youngster will simply sit on the bench all season rather than spending time on loan getting regular football at a smaller club?

    Regardless, the problem isn't really about players getting time on the pitch, it's about them being too Cr@p to begin with due to poor coaching.
    At times its about risk , how much is the manager willing to take the risk if it results in loss of points , many managers today arent willing to take the chance it isnt about English youth, I have no doubt Simspon would have appeared more if he would have on the the bench but Fergie prefers O Shea who could replace a CB or FB not taking risk on Pique,Simspon.

    Sure, though that's also about O'Shea having a lot more experience. It's not as though Pique hasn't played in all the position O'Shea has, and Simpson can play on either flank.

    Simple as that , if the players arent ready they will be sent on loan if the manager thinks they are ready/almost ready but can they handle the pressure then what he cant take a risk he isnt willing to , the player get sold after few loans G Rossi being an example.

    I thought Rossi was sold because Fergie thought he wasn't suited to the league but was too talented to let go to waste getting half a dozen league/FA cup games a season for Man U.
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    Post by DS Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:46 pm

    Huey wrote:
    Dark Savante wrote:
    Huey wrote:Okay, try this one on for size - will this make it more likely that a promising youngster will simply sit on the bench all season rather than spending time on loan getting regular football at a smaller club?

    Regardless, the problem isn't really about players getting time on the pitch, it's about them being too Cr@p to begin with due to poor coaching.
    At times its about risk , how much is the manager willing to take the risk if it results in loss of points , many managers today arent willing to take the chance it isnt about English youth, I have no doubt Simspon would have appeared more if he would have on the the bench but Fergie prefers O Shea who could replace a CB or FB not taking risk on Pique,Simspon.

    Sure, though that's also about O'Shea having a lot more experience. It's not as though Pique hasn't played in all the position O'Shea has, and Simpson can play on either flank.
    O Shea is experienced in playing many position in EPL , Pique isnt , the risk thing it is.

    Simple as that , if the players arent ready they will be sent on loan if the manager thinks they are ready/almost ready but can they handle the pressure then what he cant take a risk he isnt willing to , the player get sold after few loans G Rossi being an example.

    I thought Rossi was sold because Fergie thought he wasn't suited to the league but was too talented to let go to waste getting half a dozen league/FA cup games a season for Man U.
    He was sold because he wanted to as he couldnt see many opportunities to play as Rooney , Tevez , Saha were infront of him , he wouldnt be on a 5 man bench that is why.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:55 pm

    You could be right. I'm happy to wait and see if you are.

    In general I think this is a good move, regardless of the issue of giving youngsters more chances.
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    Post by Batman Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:23 pm

    With 7 subs i am hoping next season Man Utd could see a youth team player like Danny Welbeck get on the bench.

    e.g. Subs: Foster, O'Shea, Pique, Carrick, Giggs, Saha, Welbeck.

    If we are winning 2-0 afte 70 mins then you could see SAF bringing on Welbeck for the last 20 mins to get experience.

    At the moment with 5 subs he wouldn't get on the bench.

    Subs: Kuszczak, O'Shea, Carrick, Giggs, Saha.

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