Hugo Sanchez

He was undoubtedly a truly great player, but how good is he at coaching? Briefly met him after Ghana v Mexico match. Mexico looked promising and played some decent football. Are Mexicans happy with him or nor? Thoughts?

I have some Mexican friends and word is Sánchez is out this Monday at the latest. Fans are fuming because he couldn't take México to the Olympic games. Apparently the FMF will go after Pekerman to become their new coach.

LOL, most of my mexicans friends HATE HIM with passion, much more than I hate Dunga. I lost respect for him, when he was in full force attacking Mexico last manager Lavolpe, and dint act professional at all.

Is the Olympics really that important in Mexico? They will easily qualify for World Cup and Peckerman has serious limitations as a coach. He single-handedly fucked up Argentina at last World Cup. Why would they sack him on Monday rather than before match against Ghana. Seems a bit odd timing to me. How come he was coach for Olympics anyway. Don't they normally have separate coach for that as he can only pick three over -23 players? Are Mexican Under-23s that good anyway?

@ Juligen: What did he do to La Volpe?

EMP wrote:Is the Olympics really that important in Mexico? They will easily qualify for World Cup and Peckerman has serious limitations as a coach. He single-handedly fucked up Argentina at last World Cup. Why would they sack him on Monday rather than before match against Ghana. Seems a bit odd timing to me. How come he was coach for Olympics anyway. Don't they normally have separate coach for that as he can only pick three over -23 players? Are Mexican Under-23s that good anyway?

Its basically the best generation of young talent produced in Mexico ever. Its basically the side that won the U-17 like 3 years ago plus some standouts of the Mexican League.

Since European clubs didn't let our best U-23 players go to the qualifiers(Guardado, Vela, Giovanni) the plan was to win the qualifiers easily and go to the olympics where we could use Guardado, Vela, Giovanni

Still without those players to not beat Canada and Guatemala is fucking ridiculous. The Mexican sub-23 are basically starts of the Mexican league and with all due respect the Mexican League is on a different planet than the Guatemalan league and Canada(does canada even have a league?)

What Pekerman is doing in Toluca is amazing

He has them as one of the best teams of the league and has uncovers new young talent in the form of Santiago Fernandez, etc

I'd totally love him as Mexico manager

EMP wrote:@ Juligen: What did he do to La Volpe?

To say that he made critics when La Volpe was in charge is an understatement, he pretty much attacked La Volpe and used the Mexican press to take La Volpe from the job, the worst part is that he kept on repeating that he could do a better job. So unethical and unprofessional. I still cant believe that they offered him the job.

He also has that Latino drama that I despise

Juligen wrote:

EMP wrote:@ Juligen: What did he do to La Volpe?

To say that he made critics when La Volpe was in charge is an understatement, he pretty much attacked La Volpe and used the Mexican press to take La Volpe from the job, the worst part is that he kept on repeating that he could do a better job. So unethical and unprofessional. I still cant believe that they offered him the job.

He also has that Latino drama that I despise

what on earth are you talking about?

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Juligen wrote:

EMP wrote:@ Juligen: What did he do to La Volpe?

To say that he made critics when La Volpe was in charge is an understatement, he pretty much attacked La Volpe and used the Mexican press to take La Volpe from the job, the worst part is that he kept on repeating that he could do a better job. So unethical and unprofessional. I still cant believe that they offered him the job.

He also has that Latino drama that I despise

what on earth are you talking about?

I knew it the south americans wouldnt like it.

Its hard to explain but I will give a example, I remember when Mexico lost a friendly for some European team before the WC, he gave an interview saying like he was going to erase La Volpe from his mind and heart, and he was letting the Mexico team in God hands, but he didn’t believe in their success. And that he never in his life would talk wit La Volpe again. He made such dramatic coments

Jesus freaking Christ, just comment about the poor formation or poor selection of players. Critic the team’s style, critic the players's choice,but spare of the drama.

Scolari can be like that too, but at least he wins

Juligen wrote:

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Juligen wrote:

EMP wrote:@ Juligen: What did he do to La Volpe?

To say that he made critics when La Volpe was in charge is an understatement, he pretty much attacked La Volpe and used the Mexican press to take La Volpe from the job, the worst part is that he kept on repeating that he could do a better job. So unethical and unprofessional. I still cant believe that they offered him the job.

He also has that Latino drama that I despise

what on earth are you talking about?

I knew it the south americans wouldnt like it.

Its hard to explain but I will give a example, I remember when Mexico lost a friendly for some European team before the WC, he gave an interview saying like he was going to erase La Volpe from his mind and heart, and he was letting the Mexico team in God hands, but he didn’t believe in their success. And that he never in his life would talk wit La Volpe again. He made such dramatic coments

Jesus freaking Christ, just comment about the poor formation or poor selection of players. Critic the team’s style, critic the players's choice,but spare of the drama.

Scolari can be like that too, but at least he wins

never said I didn't like it, just wasn't sure what you meant by "latino drama" ...I get what you mean though and I'd say you are right, clearly latin

Any word on fate of Hugo Sanchez? Not sure that it is entirely a Latin thing to bad mouth coaches when in job. Daniel Amokachi pretty much did it to Vogts, but by that time Vogts was a dead man walking in Nigeria job.

It can also depend on journalists and questions they ask? For example to Drogba: Would you like to play with Samuel Eto'o? What is Drogba supposed to say to that? Of course he would. A simpl yes becomes the basis of Drogba wants to move to Barcelona stories when he may just have said that he would like to partner Eto'o up front which would be true of most forwards.

It does depend a little on what Sanchez was asked. He could have been asked Would you like to coach Mexico? Do you think you would do a better job than La Volpe? What is he supposed to say in response to such questions?

Haven't seen too much of Guardado this season but his stats look pretty impressive for a left winger. How highly is he rated in Mexico? Is he seen as the goldon boy of that generation or are Vela and Giovanni more highly regarded?

EMP wrote:Any word on fate of Hugo Sanchez? Not sure that it is entirely a Latin thing to bad mouth coaches when in job. Daniel Amokachi pretty much did it to Vogts, but by that time Vogts was a dead man walking in Nigeria job.

It can also depend on journalists and questions they ask? For example to Drogba: Would you like to play with Samuel Eto'o? What is Drogba supposed to say to that? Of course he would. A simpl yes becomes the basis of Drogba wants to move to Barcelona stories when he may just have said that he would like to partner Eto'o up front which would be true of most forwards.

It does depend a little on what Sanchez was asked. He could have been asked Would you like to coach Mexico? Do you think you would do a better job than La Volpe? What is he supposed to say in response to such questions?

It's mgot more to do with the way it's done me thinks...or at least that's what I think Juli meant

Tweedle wrote:Haven't seen too much of Guardado this season but his stats look pretty impressive for a left winger. How highly is he rated in Mexico? Is he seen as the goldon boy of that generation or are Vela and Giovanni more highly regarded?

Well I saw him against Ghana and him and Essien were the best players on the pitch. Willing to take people on, good vision and a great cross. Has it all.

Guardado wasthe best Mexican player in the match against Ghana as was said. Outshone Castillo. The overwhelming majority of Mexico's threat that night came through him. Should become a star. Very impressive on left flank.

Hugo is out

Chucho names interim manager(the guy who made us Under 17 champions)



There's talk about Pekerman and Scolari

Any word on when replacement will be named? Did Mexican FA have plan on way forward or is this gut reaction? How come Snchez was in charge of both full Mexican team and Olympic qualification? By the way fully agree that failing to qualify with depth of available talent is farcical especially against Canada and Guatemala. What will Sanchez do now?

Sanchez was definitely a first-class Pr!ck. It hurts me to talk about a Real Madrid legend but Juligen is 100% right about his behavior toward La Volpe. I read numerous articles in which Hugo would attak La Volpe for no reason, and he even labelled him a huge failure for going out against Argentina in the world cup. Nevermind that Argentina was one of the best teams of the tournament and it took an absolute cracker in extra time to dispose of Mexico. Hugo will definitely be crushed by this because it was a bad kept secret that after Mexico he wanted to coach Real Madrid. Bringing success to Mexico was going to be his springboard for getting the Madrid job. His failures with them will have set him back at least 5 years if he will ever achieve his ultimate dream.

That being said, Mexicans are often too unrealistic and demanding about the prospects for their national team. The press and the fans consider not winning the world cup to be a big failure. Admittedly Mexico usually has great teams that can hold their own against the big boys, but it's unrealistic to think they would win the world cup. So I don't think any coach they get will ever be able to meet their standards.

Article on sacking of Sanchez. Seems to be unpoular in club coaching as well. Any word on what he will do now.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/internationals/mexico-dismiss-sanchez-over-olympic-failure-803449.html

I'm mexican, Hugo Sanchez was one of the best strikers but as a coach he isn't even 1/10 of how good he was as a player... He does not know anything about tactic or formations, he called over 80 mexicans to try and make the perfect team but still we lost against U.S. in the FInal of the Gold Cup with our best team, and that is the worst thing that could happen to him since all the drama he made when Lavolpe was coaching us. He struggled to beat poor quality teams like Guadalupe. In the olympics, supposedly we had one of the best if not the best generation of young players (most from the former U-17 World Champs.) and still we lost to Guatemala and tied to Canada with a poor game and performance.

Only acceptable thing he did was our participation in the Copa America (Like the Euro but for America), we got the 3rd place under Brazil and Argentina.

Anyway, most mexicans wanted him out, now he is gone... In my opinion he personality is total Cr@p.

I don't really know who could be a good coach but I would like Lapuente to come back (Mexico's coach in the 1998 WC)

Welcome to the board santiago90c. Always good to diversify representation on here. It appears that Sanchez is extremely unpopular as a coach in Mexico. Strange thing is in his last match he did seem to get it. Guardado was excellent and they played pretty well. Ghana felt hard done by, but Mexico looked a decent team and it seemed like there was potential. Was that match reported in Mexico? Who do you think will take over long term?

They should that coach that smoked all the time again!

That guy was class, FIFA says no more smoking during matches...all he did was smoking!

Great guy

Fey wrote:They should that coach that smoked all the time again!

That guy was class, FIFA says no more smoking during matches...all he did was smoking!

Great guy

Do you mean La Volpe? He was the guy that Sanchez whored himself to get rid of.

EMP wrote:Welcome to the board santiago90c. Always good to diversify representation on here. It appears that Sanchez is extremely unpopular as a coach in Mexico. Strange thing is in his last match he did seem to get it. Guardado was excellent and they played pretty well. Ghana felt hard done by, but Mexico looked a decent team and it seemed like there was potential. Was that match reported in Mexico? Who do you think will take over long term?

Hello, Thanks.

Yeah, Mexico played decently vs Ghana and yes it was reported here, I saw it... But still that game does not represent Sanchez's tragectory in Mexico's team.

Historically we have always done somewhat decent vs strong teams (not saying Ghana are Top, but they have good players), like we have beaten Brazil and Argentina several times, we tied vs Italy 1-1 in the 2002 WC playing better than them, etc. But the problem comes when we talk about the CONCACAF (Our territorial zone) games like classifying groups for the WC, Olympic Games, etc. With Hugo Sanchez we struggled a lot to beat teams like Costa Rica, Panama or islands that don't even have a professional Football League. Dominating our zone hasn't really been a problem in the past, if you see, Mexico is the 3rd country with more WC participations after Brazil and Argentina I think.

Anyway, another matter against Sanchez was all the noise he made to get the job, he gave so much $h!t to the Federation and the ex-Coach, Lavolpe, and promised a lot of things which he never accomplished like winning the Gold Cup, winning the Copa America or classifying to the Olympic games, not even 1 of them.

And the worst problem in my opinion was that our team didn't even know what to play, he aligned random formations with new players every game without having a real clue of what were the original positions of some of our players.


Well rumor here says that Aguirre (Atletico de Madrid coach) will come after the end of this season, most of the people here like him but I've seen a lot of Atletico's games and I don't really know if he is the best option. I don't mind signing a foreigner as long as he is professional and dedicated to his job and tries to watch and study our league. Bianchi is another big candidate along with Pekerman (who I don't really like)... Other people say that Ramirez should be permanent (actual Coach and former U-17 and U-20 Coach). He is good, but I think it is completely different to coach U-17 and U-20 teams than the National team, but we will see how it goes, he will be coaching the next 2 games of Mexico then next summer the Federation will decide who to hire.

santiago90c wrote:

EMP wrote:Welcome to the board santiago90c. Always good to diversify representation on here. It appears that Sanchez is extremely unpopular as a coach in Mexico. Strange thing is in his last match he did seem to get it. Guardado was excellent and they played pretty well. Ghana felt hard done by, but Mexico looked a decent team and it seemed like there was potential. Was that match reported in Mexico? Who do you think will take over long term?

Hello, Thanks.

Yeah, Mexico played decently vs Ghana and yes it was reported here, I saw it... But still that game does not represent Sanchez's tragectory in Mexico's team.

Historically we have always done somewhat decent vs strong teams (not saying Ghana are Top, but they have good players), like we have beaten Brazil and Argentina several times, we tied vs Italy 1-1 in the 2002 WC playing better than them, etc. But the problem comes when we talk about the CONCACAF (Our territorial zone) games like classifying groups for the WC, Olympic Games, etc. With Hugo Sanchez we struggled a lot to beat teams like Costa Rica, Panama or islands that don't even have a professional Football League. Dominating our zone hasn't really been a problem in the past, if you see, Mexico is the 3rd country with more WC participations after Brazil and Argentina I think.

Anyway, another matter against Sanchez was all the noise he made to get the job, he gave so much $h!t to the Federation and the ex-Coach, Lavolpe, and promised a lot of things which he never accomplished like winning the Gold Cup, winning the Copa America or classifying to the Olympic games, not even 1 of them.

And the worst problem in my opinion was that our team didn't even know what to play, he aligned random formations with new players every game without having a real clue of what were the original positions of some of our players.


Well rumor here says that Aguirre (Atletico de Madrid coach) will come after the end of this season, most of the people here like him but I've seen a lot of Atletico's games and I don't really know if he is the best option. I don't mind signing a foreigner as long as he is professional and dedicated to his job and tries to watch and study our league. Bianchi is another big candidate along with Pekerman (who I don't really like)... Other people say that Ramirez should be permanent (actual Coach and former U-17 and U-20 Coach). He is good, but I think it is completely different to coach U-17 and U-20 teams than the National team, but we will see how it goes, he will be coaching the next 2 games of Mexico then next summer the Federation will decide who to hire.

Sounds like you have interesting times ahead. Has Peckerman learned. Tactically he was amateurish for Argentina v Germany in 2006. How is he doing at international level? regarding Aguirre, your best bet is to ask The Frank Tavern on here. He is a supporter of Atletico de Madrid and would know how he is doing. He could give you a good ssessment on his qualities and flaws. Any word on what Sanchez is doing now?

Ok, I'll be looking for The Frank Tavern in the forums.
Pekerman is coaching a mexican club named Toluca, they aren't doing that good but he has made interesting young players debut.

Sanchez hasn't spoken since he was fired, so no one really knows where he is or what he plans to do, some say he will be coaching America (another Mexican club) but those are just rumors since neither him or the club has said anything about it.

Fey wrote:They should that coach that smoked all the time again!

That guy was class, FIFA says no more smoking during matches...all he did was smoking!

Great guy

Do you mean Menotti from argentina? he got Argentina playing some great football in 78 if i remember correct. he is the model for the current Argentina coach Basile allthough he doesnt do it well.

Not Menotti, Lavolpe