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Premiership Skill XI

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Premiership Skill XI

by Pierre Littbarski Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:24 pm

(ie no ronaldo, torres etc)

Reina

Glen Johnson
Rozehnal (still belongs to Newcastle right ?)
Huddlestone
Evra

Muntari
Scholes
Joe Cole
Kranjcar

Berbatov
RVP

Pienaar just missed out.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by shazlx Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:32 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:(ie no ronaldo, torres etc)

Reina

Glen Johnson
Rozehnal (still belongs to Newcastle right ?)
Huddlestone
Evra

Muntari
Scholes
Joe Cole
Kranjcar

Berbatov
RVP

Pienaar just missed out.

Riena

Johnson Yobo Ferdinand Evra

J.Cole Fernandes Anderson Hleb

Van Persie Berbatov

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Amusingly, i'm pretty sure Ronaldo would have got into these sides when he first came to England.

Just because he has developed more affective ways to use his talent, doesnt mean his skill has decreased.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by COTR Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:56 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:(ie no ronaldo, torres etc)

Reina

Glen Johnson
Rozehnal (still belongs to Newcastle right ?)
Huddlestone
Evra

Muntari
Scholes
Joe Cole
Kranjcar

Berbatov
RVP

Pienaar just missed out.

On what planet does sully muntari have more skill than ronaldo, hleb etc cyclops

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:59 pm

COTR wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:(ie no ronaldo, torres etc)

Reina

Glen Johnson
Rozehnal (still belongs to Newcastle right ?)
Huddlestone
Evra

Muntari
Scholes
Joe Cole
Kranjcar

Berbatov
RVP

Pienaar just missed out.

On what planet does sully muntari have more skill than ronaldo, hleb etc

skill = slow and a good first touch?

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by poiuy1 Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:00 pm

can Ronaldo being any more effective at using skill pace and power together?

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:01 pm

people on this board are so proud of themselves being able to see through the pundits and media bullshit but half the people on here rate Rio Ferdinand as being good on the ball and could play in midfield. It's a myth.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by Zack Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:04 pm

------------------------Reina---------------------

-Belletti-----Ferdinand-----King-----Evra

Ronaldo----Scholes---Fabregas---Hleb--

-------------Berbatov---RVP------------

Ronaldo is skillfull, his just more greedy and has more of a eye for goal than before. He has pace, so why not use a attribute that scares most defenders in the world? To use pace and still have control of the ball and awareness to finish and cross, is a major skill that is under-valued here alot...

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by COTR Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:11 pm

Where is Daniel Agger, the god of all centre backs ? Wink

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by Khadrim Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:22 pm

Batglenn wrote:

COTR wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:(ie no ronaldo, torres etc)

Reina

Glen Johnson
Rozehnal (still belongs to Newcastle right ?)
Huddlestone
Evra

Muntari
Scholes
Joe Cole
Kranjcar

Berbatov
RVP

Pienaar just missed out.

On what planet does sully muntari have more skill than ronaldo, hleb etc

skill = slow and a good first touch?

I am really confused by the definition of skill here?

What is it touch, control, passing ability, awareness? All of these are part of my definition. Being in control of a ball at pace is far more impressive than at walking pace. My 2 year old niece could eventually get the ball where she wants given enough time.

I think Rio is the best defender in England but Terry passes better than Rio.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:23 pm

COTR wrote:Where is Daniel Agger, the god of all centre backs ?

or Toure, Lescott, Woodgate, Laursen?? All much better on the ball than rio.

Ledley King Laugh

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by debaser Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:31 pm

Batglenn wrote:

COTR wrote:Where is Daniel Agger, the god of all centre backs ?

or Toure, Lescott, Woodgate, Laursen?? All much better on the ball than rio.

Ledley King

best headerer in the premiership he is, impressive on the ball he is not.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by shazlx Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:55 pm

Batglenn wrote:

COTR wrote:Where is Daniel Agger, the god of all centre backs ?

or Toure, Lescott, Woodgate, Laursen?? All much better on the ball than rio.

Ledley King

You know I don't rate Rio as a passer but his skill is still very high. Being better on the ball and having skill is different. Being good on the ball requires great composure, confidence and technique as much as skill.

For me the easiest way to assess skill is te players short dribbling. It's why I don't get why Scholes is in the list even Carrick and Gilberto are better at short deibbling than Scholes and that's got nothing to do with physical attibutes.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by Pierre Littbarski Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:35 pm

shazlx wrote:

Batglenn wrote:

COTR wrote:Where is Daniel Agger, the god of all centre backs ?

or Toure, Lescott, Woodgate, Laursen?? All much better on the ball than rio.

Ledley King

You know I don't rate Rio as a passer but his skill is still very high. Being better on the ball and having skill is different. Being good on the ball requires great composure, confidence and technique as much as skill.

For me the easiest way to assess skill is te players short dribbling. It's why I don't get why Scholes is in the list even Carrick and Gilberto are better at short deibbling than Scholes and that's got nothing to do with physical attibutes.

No one in teh Prem can chip the ball or put spin on it like Scholes can - that's amuch a test of skill as dribbling.

Close control/dribbling and ball manipulation are best tests for me.

With regards to the ronaldo thing:

You can get big people who are very skillful (Zidane, Berbatov) and you can get quick people who are skillful (Ribery, Robinho) but you'll find few who are big, quick and skillful - this is because the best skills (in life as well as football) are developed out of necessity.

How many great stand ups are tall, handsome and socially adept ?

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by shazlx Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:45 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Batglenn wrote:

COTR wrote:Where is Daniel Agger, the god of all centre backs ?

or Toure, Lescott, Woodgate, Laursen?? All much better on the ball than rio.

Ledley King

You know I don't rate Rio as a passer but his skill is still very high. Being better on the ball and having skill is different. Being good on the ball requires great composure, confidence and technique as much as skill.

For me the easiest way to assess skill is te players short dribbling. It's why I don't get why Scholes is in the list even Carrick and Gilberto are better at short deibbling than Scholes and that's got nothing to do with physical attibutes.

No one in teh Prem can chip the ball or put spin on it like Scholes can - that's amuch a test of skill as dribbling.

I'll give you that, but I would reguard that as technique rather than skill. And Emre can put spin on the ball as good if not better than Scholes.

Close control/dribbling and ball manipulation are best tests for me.

That's true and for me short dribbling the easiest way to judge that. You need close control and good ball manipulation to be able to dribble at short distances crowded by opposition players, so, when has Scholes aver done that? I can't see why you think Scholes is that skillful at all. Great technique - yes. Great Skill - never.

Anyhow there are four players who are very even right at the top - Hleb, Van Persie, Berbatov and Kalou. I would say Berbatov is the weakest because he's the weakest dribbler but then he has the best touch.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by lrdsucksgoats Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:57 pm

shazlx wrote:

Close control/dribbling and ball manipulation are best tests for me.

That's true and for me short dribbling the easiest way to judge that. You need close control and good ball manipulation to be able to dribble at short distances crowded by opposition players, so, when has Scholes aver done that? I can't see why you think Scholes is that skillful at all. Great technique - yes. Great Skill - never.

He scored a wonderful dribbled goal in the CL against Juve a few years back.

More than Hleb's done. But of course, Hleb plays for (profoundly unlucky to have referees conspiring against them) Arsenal.

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by COTR Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:58 pm

why did you have to ruin yor post by putting kalou in there shaz ?

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Re: Premiership Skill XI

by S4P Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:24 pm

Rio's a great defender but he is not one of the most skillfull CBs around. In fact, there aren't too many CBs who you would deem skillfull.

Huddlestone's not a CB, but I thought you'd try to find a place for him.