where did it all go wrong for ze ROO ?

http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fanzone/2008/04/our-wayne-is-be.html

is Fergie to blame ?

Not really.

I think injuries havenb't helped. As the article rightly states though, he's still the jewel in England's crown.

What is he? 22 now? Klose was barely playing professional football at that age? He has plenty of time to step his game up again to another level.

Hypothetically speaking, Utd could go and win the CL three seasons in a row and this team would become legendary - Rooney would be a key component of that

tweeds

you are WRONG

a) ManU under Fergie will NEVER win the CL again: EVER

there is a limit to how lucky you can be

b) ze POO started playing first league football at the age of 17

I believe he is now 23 already, at least nearly

ie: he has played top level football for nearly 6 years

Klose emerged on the international scene in 2002

meaning: he does not have many more miles in his legs than ze POO

there is ZERO chance that POO will still set the world alight at the age of even 27

think of Owen

he started earlier, so he will fininish earlier

I fear ze POO has already reached his peak in 2004

traurige G

Darling wrote:tweeds

you are WRONG

a) ManU under Fergie will NEVER win the CL again: EVER

there is a limit to how lucky you can be

I dunno - with Bayern in it again next year to give them a bye, Man U are surely in with a chance...

ze poo?
You've reduced yourself to that?
Jesus.

Roger Hunt wrote:

Darling wrote:tweeds

you are WRONG

a) ManU under Fergie will NEVER win the CL again: EVER

there is a limit to how lucky you can be

I dunno - with Bayern in it again next year to give them a bye, Man U are surely in with a chance...

you are clearly anti-Bayern

What does he mean , does he consider people started taking notice of Rooney and got more tighter to him or does he considers that teams attack Everton more then Man Utd , or does he considers that being a superstar everything flowed through him and he had to be the centre figure which he doesnt have to be at Utd.

Why only league goals and why this comparison goes by goals so their Rooney offered only a goal threat , well he did hit 23 last season and 17 this one more then his Everton career.
Its good to be wild when young people dont give attention but when you are established you get more respect attention from your opposition thats where discipline comes in.

Darling wrote:tweeds

you are WRONG

a) ManU under Fergie will NEVER win the CL again: EVER

there is a limit to how lucky you can be

b) ze POO started playing first league football at the age of 17

I believe he is now 23 already, at least nearly

ie: he has played top level football for nearly 6 years

Klose emerged on the international scene in 2002

meaning: he does not have many more miles in his legs than ze POO

there is ZERO chance that POO will still set the world alight at the age of even 27

think of Owen

he started earlier, so he will fininish earlier

I fear ze POO has already reached his peak in 2004

traurige G

You are not even a Bayern fan ,Klose started late because he developed late do you even know his begining of football , pretty hard for a Londoner.

Darling wrote:
b) ze POO started playing first league football at the age of 17

I believe he is now 23 already, at least nearly

ie: he has played top level football for nearly 6 years

Born 24th October 1985.

Made debut 17th August 2002, aged 16.

Won't turn 23 until October of this year.

Will have played 6 years (pro) in the game on 17th August this year.


At least get your stats right...

I'm confused, Rooney is the organ grinder in the champions attack, he makes everything tick. And everything has gone wrong for him? Am i in the twilight zone here? Rooney isn't a goalscorer, people need to understand that before commenting on him.

The point made in the article was that he used to be a better goalscorer than he is now.

Not sure I buy it though.

Kimbo wrote:I'm confused, Rooney is the organ grinder in the champions attack, he makes everything tick. And everything has gone wrong for him? Am i in the twilight zone here? Rooney isn't a goalscorer, people need to understand that before commenting on him.

He is the playmaker forward as I like to call them.

Roger Hunt wrote:The point made in the article was that he used to be a better goalscorer than he is now.

Not sure I buy it though.

His scoring rate has doubled , he isnt clinical at all nor he was at Everton.

borocooper wrote:ze poo?
You've reduced yourself to that?
Jesus.

Rooney was never a prolific goalscorer, but even at 17 he was better than most of the current crop of German forwards.

If anyone's interested
Kevin Kurányi is 26, played 278 scored 102 (0.36 goals per game)
Wayne Rooney is 22, played 260 scored 93 (0.36 goals per game)

neither are impressive stats, particularly when compared to Otto's 1000 threads in 18 months.

Darling wrote:http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fanzone/2008/04/our-wayne-is-be.html

is Fergie to blame ?

For what?

For being one of the main players at one of the best teams in Europe?

He's not as explosive or as exciting as he used to be, and I don't think we'll see those day's again. Physically he's peaked, but I think he'll continue to mature as a player (vision/decision making etc) as he has already shown.

This is one of the comments made to that article (which Otto has completely and utterly missed the point in. Over the hill? Ze Poo? The man has clearly lost it):
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The author has clearly made his judgements from afar based on recent games and snippets he has picked up on in the media about Waynes recent goal scoring form. i have seen every game this season for united and there is a noticeable difference when Wayne is absent. Ronaldo may have the flair and arrogance that grabs the headlines but Rooney is the heart of Old Trafford. If it came down to losing one of them i would keep Wayne a thousand times over. ask any true united fan and they will tell you the same as Wayne encompasses everything that manchester united are. his style is such that even out of form he plays a crucial role because of his work ethic and leadership qualities. such things that could not be accrued to the likes of Kaka, Messi or Ronaldo. look at stars of their like before them such as Ronaldinho, the great striker Ronaldo who is spoken of in some comments as being the player Wayne has apparently never become. Watch this space next season as you will see the effect on the premiership title that a Wayne Rooney with the benefit of his first pre season rest and free of injury in three years. there will be plenty of stellar performances!
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And to say Rooney has had SIX years as a professional is utterly fabricated- at Everton he made a handful of starts in his first 2 years;

many of those performances were coming off the subs bench as an unknown, with fresh legs and having no pressure of the limelight and a lot of freedom of space from opposition who were not familiar with Rooney as a player.

One can only laugh at the ridiculous suggestion that Roooney's career has flagged: take into the account the injuries, the media pressure, and the often sacrificial role that Rooney plays for United,

and his performances and scoring record are marvellous.

Rooney is not an out and out striker like Kuranyi, yet matches him goal per game. 'Nuff said.

Adios Otto

Parks lives wrote:

Darling wrote:http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fanzone/2008/04/our-wayne-is-be.html

is Fergie to blame ?

For what?

For being one of the main players at one of the best teams in Europe?

At times I would say he’s even more important than Ronaldo, the team really needs a orthodox out and out striker and Rooney could then play in his best role, just behind the main forward. As mentioned on here his vision and technical ability is ever improving.

I'd agree with Markus.

If you were playing

Ronaldo------------------Rooney
----------------Saha--------------

Rooney would look like an even better player.

Kimbo wrote:I'm confused, Rooney is the organ grinder in the champions attack, he makes everything tick. And everything has gone wrong for him? Am i in the twilight zone here? Rooney isn't a goalscorer, people need to understand that before commenting on him.

ManU's most important attacking player throughout he season. ManU cannot play football without him. He and Evra have been providing nearly all of ManU's attacking thrust along with some creative passes from VDS and Carrick.

Calidad wrote:He's not as explosive or as exciting as he used to be, and I don't think we'll see those day's again. Physically he's peaked, but I think he'll continue to mature as a player (vision/decision making etc) as he has already shown.

agree with that but he is still the one i look for to do something special.

The column only makes sense from a deluded fans point of view. Rooney scores goals and creates chances for his team equally. At 22 his best years are in front of him in my opinion. Everything points to a great future. Capello sees the drive the intensity and power in his game, seeing him as England's captain down the road.

The explosiveness thing is also nonsense. When he was explosive it was because he was a relative unknown quantity. Now that people know what he is about and his moves he has to rethink about how he plays because he can't very well continue with the same $h!t and still be effective.

Hence he doesn't explode past players the way he used to because defenders now prepare for it.