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    Post by abundance Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:16 am

    well, the team's lack of progresses on the big stages is not all Mourinho's fault.
    After all, Milito, Motta and Lucio are mainly club's buys rather than his choices.

    Milito is very good - although there's some overlap with Eto'o - Motta has been half decent and disappears when things go wrong, Lucio has class but also big lapses...

    Meanwhile, Zanetti and Stankovic are not going to be any younger, Maicon looks complacent, Cambiasso has some issues, Vieira doesn't even bother trying, Balotelli isn't that focused...

    I mean, we are trying to be a better team every year but it ain't easy to get past our own shortcomings.


    Nevertheless, Jose is the friggin' coach since 18 months and he should deftly have tried something more at this point.

    The depressing thing is that he totally doesn't look like he has any clue about trying something different from "More of the same".

    Same modules, mostly the same players, same lame substitutions, same yelling at Balotelli, same media spins...


    Mancini was raw, temperamental and naive as a coach, but he still was a great former player who knew football from the inside. Mou, he looks like he studied hard how to became a succesful coach, rather than how to coach successfully.


    We're still leading the league and with good chances of progressing to CL ko stages, and in principle I'm against sacking a coach under this conditions. Plus, this would milk us a bucketload of money.
    But IMHO Moratti should discreetly and politely suggest him to tell his agent to start inquiring for another job starting next summer. We should instead find a prospective good coach to bet on. I want Zenga!! =D

    This summer we'll most probably have won our fourth in a row in the league. I think we can afford to experiment a bit to grow further
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    Post by bluenine Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:00 am

    abundance, sacking Mou now or in the summer, publically or discretely, would be as big a mistake as firing Mancio was.... I am NOT for it. Mou may be tactically limited/inflexible, but he has his strengths... over a period of time, he has as much chance (if not more) of bringing us success in europe as any new coach Inter could hire.

    Hopefully Mou remains at Inter for another 2-3 years. And after that, my preferance would be Prandelli, technically far more gifted a coach than Zenga.
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    Post by abundance Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:13 am

    blue, our core squad is getting old, in the next years we're going to need to make good buys and do a good job of growing our youngsters. Mourinho speaks a lot about building for the club and develop the kids, but for what I've seen so far, I'm not so confident about relying on him for that.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:02 pm

    Mourinho needs to use Quaresma more - 3 DMs is overkill.

    If he gets sacked now then Spalletti should replace him (at least he'd teach Inter how to pass). A good term long term solution would be Blanc.
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    Post by bluenine Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:57 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Mourinho needs to use Quaresma more - 3 DMs is overkill.

    If he gets sacked now then Spalletti should replace him (at least he'd teach Inter how to pass). A good term long term solution would be Blanc.

    Looks like Mou is listening to you... Quaresma takes the place of the injured Sneijder today in the starting line up against Fiorentina:

    Inter: 12 Julio Cesar; 4 J.Zanetti, 6 Lucio, 25 Samuel, 26 Chivu; 5 Stankovic, 19 Cambiasso, 11 Muntari; 7 Quaresma, 22 Milito, 9 Eto'o.

    Lets see if he proves you right... this is a great opportunity for him, coz Fiorentina give you the space to play, and Inter are playing at home... now or never, Mr Quaresma.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:40 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Mourinho needs to use Quaresma more - 3 DMs is overkill.

    If he gets sacked now then Spalletti should replace him (at least he'd teach Inter how to pass). A good term long term solution would be Blanc.

    Looks like Mou is listening to you... Quaresma takes the place of the injured Sneijder today in the starting line up against Fiorentina:

    Inter: 12 Julio Cesar; 4 J.Zanetti, 6 Lucio, 25 Samuel, 26 Chivu; 5 Stankovic, 19 Cambiasso, 11 Muntari; 7 Quaresma, 22 Milito, 9 Eto'o.

    Lets see if he proves you right... this is a great opportunity for him, coz Fiorentina give you the space to play, and Inter are playing at home... now or never, Mr Quaresma.

    I just watched highlights of your game. Looks like i was right Smile RQ was very good - took on and BEAT players, made some good passes and also tracked back. Let's see if he can keep this up ok
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    Post by bluenine Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:10 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    bluenine wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Mourinho needs to use Quaresma more - 3 DMs is overkill.

    If he gets sacked now then Spalletti should replace him (at least he'd teach Inter how to pass). A good term long term solution would be Blanc.

    Looks like Mou is listening to you... Quaresma takes the place of the injured Sneijder today in the starting line up against Fiorentina:

    Inter: 12 Julio Cesar; 4 J.Zanetti, 6 Lucio, 25 Samuel, 26 Chivu; 5 Stankovic, 19 Cambiasso, 11 Muntari; 7 Quaresma, 22 Milito, 9 Eto'o.

    Lets see if he proves you right... this is a great opportunity for him, coz Fiorentina give you the space to play, and Inter are playing at home... now or never, Mr Quaresma.

    I just watched highlights of your game. Looks like i was right Internazionale Milano 2009-10 - Campioni d'Europa!!!! - Page 12 Icon_smile RQ was very good - took on and BEAT players, made some good passes and also tracked back. Let's see if he can keep this up Internazionale Milano 2009-10 - Campioni d'Europa!!!! - Page 12 F_ok

    Quaresma had his best game by far for Inter. He was very active and was a constant pain for the visitors on his flank. The Viola were left to foul Quaresma constantly in order to stop him. THIS is the Quaresma Inter thought they were getting. He attacked confidently and with purpose. Lets hope he can do this with some consistency!!! It would solve a lot of Inter's current problems.

    Just heard the news on why Balotelli was in the stands... apparently he turned up late for a training again last week... when will this kid learn??? Mou is right to banish him to the stands....
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    Post by abundance Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:21 am

    lmao right now on Rete 4 they're giving 5.5 to Quaresma making jokes about his failure.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:13 am

    abundance wrote:lmao right now on Rete 4 they're giving 5.5 to Quaresma making jokes about his failure.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:09 pm

    abundance wrote:blue, our core squad is getting old, in the next years we're going to need to make good buys and do a good job of growing our youngsters. Mourinho speaks a lot about building for the club and develop the kids, but for what I've seen so far, I'm not so confident about relying on him for that.

    Actually, I don't see that as much of a problem. Last summer, we bought 5 players who can be starters for Inter. As long as we continue to buy 3-4 players every summer, we can retain a good mix of experience/talent, and also make the squad fresher to face new challenges.

    There are quite a few players over 30, but its not a huge problem. If I break our current squad into the following 4 categories, I think we are ok as long as we keep replacing 3-4 players every summer.

    (5) Potentials (25 & under): Balotelli, Santon, Sneijder, Muntari, Arnautovic
    (9) Stars at Peak (26-30): Cesar, Maicon, Chivu, Quaresma, Motta, Cambiasso, Mancini, Eto'o, Suazo
    (4) Experienced stars (30-32): Milito, Lucio, Samuel, Stankovic
    (5) Retirals (32plus): Toldo, Zanetti, Cordoba, Materazzi, Vieira, Orlandoni

    If you look at the last category that we need to replace, we have more or less already done that. Zanetti is ageless, but we already have a decent replacement in Santon. The rest we will not miss at all if we lose them. They can be replaced by primavera players or youngsters we have out on loan without any issue. Alfonso & Belec could replace Toldo & Orlandoni.

    Its the "experienced stars" category that we will have to replace over the next 2 years, and as long as we continue to buy 3-4 players every summer, it should not be a problem. Maybe next summer, we will buy a fullback, a CB and a creative midfielder, and we are done. Plus, Coutinho will be joining us as well.

    For a top team, its important that most of its players fall in the "stars at peak" category, and the players under 25 balance off the players over 32. I think at Inter, we have done that well over the last 3-4 years.
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    Post by fcb Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:17 pm

    It's not a very sustainable model to have to rely on buying 3 or 4 players every year.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:46 pm

    kas wrote:It's not a very sustainable model to have to rely on buying 3 or 4 players every year.

    Its not like we will be buying the Ibra's & kaka's of the world.... I think it is sustainable for a club of Inter's stature (and Moratti's millions) to buy 3-4 players like Sneijder's & Motta's... a 30-40m spend per summer is par for Inter, we have sustained it for almost 15 years now. You must not forget that last summers spend was entirely funded by Ibra's sale, Inter did not spend any net money. I am sure Inter will partially fund next summers buys by selling the likes of Suazo, Mancini, Vieira, Jimenez, Burdisso, etc.
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    Post by L r dd Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:53 pm

    I agree with Kas. 3-4 squad players ok. But 3-4 for the first team is just way to much per season. Inter should replace Zanetti and Stank for my money. Could still keep both of them around if they wanted but i'd deffo flog Stank. He's not a cl player.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:13 pm

    L r dd wrote:I agree with Kas. 3-4 squad players ok. But 3-4 for the first team is just way to much per season. Inter should replace Zanetti and Stank for my money. Could still keep both of them around if they wanted but i'd deffo flog Stank. He's not a cl player.

    Yawn... according to you, my friend, neither is Ibra. So don't mind if I disagree with you.

    Zanetti is still better than any RB who played for ManUtd in the last 2 decades. Razz The way Zanetti played yesterday, Neville could never dream of.... Watch the game. Razz

    Anyways, we already have a Zanetti replacement in Santon, but we probably need a young LB - we never replaced Maxwell. I agree about 3-4 first team players, Inter just need 1-2 first teamers and 2-3 squad players every summer, and thats sustainable.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:40 pm

    Stank dissapointed in the CL for us too, especially in the games against Chelsea, where i expected much more from him. I don't think he should be used as the main attacking midfielder though. Mourinho should use him a bit deeper because his long passing is very good. He's over 30 now. Maybe they should look at buying Hamsik to replace him.

    Lrd is talking complete crap about Zanetti. However, Mourinho should use him at LB instead of midfield.
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    Post by Fade out Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:42 pm

    bluenine wrote:Zanetti is still better than any RB who played for ManUtd in the last 2 decades in their entire history

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    Post by L r dd Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:49 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    L r dd wrote:I agree with Kas. 3-4 squad players ok. But 3-4 for the first team is just way to much per season. Inter should replace Zanetti and Stank for my money. Could still keep both of them around if they wanted but i'd deffo flog Stank. He's not a cl player.

    Yawn... according to you, my friend, neither is Ibra. So don't mind if I disagree with you.

    Zanetti is still better than any RB who played for ManUtd in the last 2 decades. Razz The way Zanetti played yesterday, Neville could never dream of.... Watch the game. Razz

    Anyways, we already have a Zanetti replacement in Santon, but we probably need a young LB - we never replaced Maxwell. I agree about 3-4 first team players, Inter just need 1-2 first teamers and 2-3 squad players every summer, and thats sustainable.

    Yawn is what Inter do to you when you watch the cl. Not my fault for targeting the problem instead of claiming it's some mental block.
    Ibrah has never done jack shit in the cl so it's fair to say he's a bit of a big game bottler. I don't think scoring a tap in yesterday changes anything. I rate Ibrah he's a great player so im not sure what you mean anyway.

    Zanetti was a good right back so what? He's playing in midfield half the time and he's not a great player right now even if puts in decent performances Inter need to move on. And like i said keep him around just he isnt at the standard needed in the cl now. Neville is a decent right back but i wouldn't want him in midfield nor would i trust him against top oppisition anymore so the comparison is silly.

    Zanetti Cambiasso Stank + another is such a shite midfield. I am astounded you still fail to see this.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:58 pm

    LOL lrd!

    Ibra is a big game choker, yet him scoring in a big game last night (5 mins after coming on) doesn't change anything? what kind of logic is that? I suppose if he scored in the CL final, you'd still say it doesn't change anything.

    Zanetti IS a great right back. I agree he is not as good in midfield - he won't make many mistakes but at the same time he doesn't score and he doesn't assist. Though one could argue he provides cover so that Maicon can go forward. IMO He should be used at LB ok

    The comparison with Neville is silly since Neville is like a fiat panda while Zanetti is like a rolls royce.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:33 pm

    L r dd wrote:
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    L r dd wrote:I agree with Kas. 3-4 squad players ok. But 3-4 for the first team is just way to much per season. Inter should replace Zanetti and Stank for my money. Could still keep both of them around if they wanted but i'd deffo flog Stank. He's not a cl player.

    Yawn... according to you, my friend, neither is Ibra. So don't mind if I disagree with you.

    Zanetti is still better than any RB who played for ManUtd in the last 2 decades. Razz The way Zanetti played yesterday, Neville could never dream of.... Watch the game. Razz

    Anyways, we already have a Zanetti replacement in Santon, but we probably need a young LB - we never replaced Maxwell. I agree about 3-4 first team players, Inter just need 1-2 first teamers and 2-3 squad players every summer, and thats sustainable.

    Yawn is what Inter do to you when you watch the cl. Not my fault for targeting the problem instead of claiming it's some mental block.
    Ibrah has never done jack shit in the cl so it's fair to say he's a bit of a big game bottler. I don't think scoring a tap in yesterday changes anything. I rate Ibrah he's a great player so im not sure what you mean anyway.

    Zanetti was a good right back so what? He's playing in midfield half the time and he's not a great player right now even if puts in decent performances Inter need to move on. And like i said keep him around just he isnt at the standard needed in the cl now. Neville is a decent right back but i wouldn't want him in midfield nor would i trust him against top oppisition anymore so the comparison is silly.

    Zanetti Cambiasso Stank + another is such a shite midfield. I am astounded you still fail to see this.

    Problem with you is that your opinion is entirely based on a few CL games... so from your perspective, perhaps we should change our entire squad, right? Coz they all choke in the CL??

    As for Zanetti, he plays for us in 4 different positions... as a player, he is still quite irreplaceable. But his main position is RB, and in that he IS STILL one of the best around. We can't find a better back up for Maicon.

    As for the midfield, we are a player short (coz Quaresma & Mancini have flopped). Zanetti fills in quite well for them, him and Maicon on the right work quite well for us. Its not ideal, but its still quality. But I would say that our starting midfield should be Stankovic, Cambiasso, Sneijder, & Quaresma (provided he can play at the level he did yesterday with some consistency). Thats not a bad midfield, IMO its better than anything ManU can come up with at the mo.

    Our problems in the CL are psychological. We have dominated Milan and Fiorentina this season, teams which play better than us in the CL. We are a Jekyll & Hyde side, and hopefully that will soon change.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:15 pm

    Man Utd have Anderson, Carrick and Valencia Laugh
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    Post by bluenine Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:35 am

    And now Quaresma gets injured.... what is wrong with most of our players, they don't seem to be able to play 2-3 games before getting injured!!!!!

    Milito, Eto'o, Motta, Sneijder, Muntari, Vieira, Cambiasso, Lucio, Chivu, Santon, Quaresma, Mancini, Materazzi, Cordoba, etc so many short injuries already this season.

    Only Zanetti seems completely injury free, as always...
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    Post by Rasiak-9 Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:26 pm

    Stankovic is a terrific player and hideously underrated by a lot of people.

    Bluenine - how highly would you rate Cambiasso? I've personally always thought of him as one of the best central midfielders probably in the world right now and rated him very highly - what do you think of him?
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    Post by bluenine Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:41 pm

    Rasiak-9 wrote:Stankovic is a terrific player and hideously underrated by a lot of people.

    Bluenine - how highly would you rate Cambiasso? I've personally always thought of him as one of the best central midfielders probably in the world right now and rated him very highly - what do you think of him?

    I rate Cambiasso very highly, his performances & consistency over the last 4-5 years has been brilliant for us... for me, he is among the top 4-5 DMs around... he seems to have gone "out of fashion" on this MB, mostly coz of Inter's underperformances in europe, and Maradona ignoring him, but his performances for us have remained as good as ever.

    Yes, Stankovic is hidiously under rated, in quite a similar way Scholes has been... he is a awesome CM, who has mostly been played out of position as a winger or AM, and still done a decent job. Obviously, he is no Kaka. Hopefully with Sneijder and (the newly reborn) Quaresma taking over the creative duties, Stankovic will start showing what he is made of playing behind them.
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    Post by S4P Sun May 16, 2010 4:54 pm

    We did it! cheers What a great feeling this is Ale
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    Post by TM Sun May 16, 2010 5:01 pm

    One more match, and history awaits for Inter <Ale>
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    Post by bluenine Mon May 17, 2010 7:54 am

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    Post by Luis Tue May 18, 2010 5:57 pm

    http://www.guillembalague.com/rumore...Benitez&id=279

    Inter contact Benitez

    Initial contact between Inter Milan and Rafa Benitez has taken place. Inter technical director Marco Branca has been in touch with the Liverpool manager him to ask him if he would like to take over at the Serie A club.

    Rafa will need to decide soon. He is still waiting for signs of a good reason to stay at Liverpool - or a major offer to convince him to leave. Inter Milan would be enticing, but Rafa`s first choice is to remain at Anfield. The problem is, nobody at Liverpool is willing to guarantee him that any money he can raise through selling players will be reinvested in the team – nor is there any evidence that funds available from the board will be sufficient for the squad rebuilding that is urgently required.

    Should Benitez move to Serie A, he would inherit an ageing Inter squad with many senior players mirroring a brand of football in Jose Mourinho`s image and with just two genuinely creative midfielders in Sneijder and Cambiasso. Benitez would need money to spend and an injection of new blood should he decide to make the switch.

    AC Milan have also made contact with Rafa`s agent on two occasions now, and an offer from Inter`s rivals may hold greater appeal than following in Mourinho`s footsteps after a season in which they could have won everything possible.

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    Post by blutgraetsche Tue May 18, 2010 5:58 pm

    Benitez for Mourinho?

    Different stick, same shit.
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    Post by Luis Tue May 18, 2010 6:00 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Benitez for Mourinho?

    Different stick, same shit.

    When Torres and Masch leave us this summer we'll need a motivator to keep the average squad together, plus Mourinho coming would mean he doesn't go to United or City and inevitably win them titles and European cups ok
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    Post by bluenine Tue May 18, 2010 6:15 pm

    L r dd wrote:I agree with Kas. 3-4 squad players ok. But 3-4 for the first team is just way to much per season. Inter should replace Zanetti and Stank for my money. Could still keep both of them around if they wanted but i'd deffo flog Stank. He's not a cl player.

    Couldn't help noticing this above.... Lrd's pearls of wisdom, its amusing how often they come right back & bite him in his arse Internazionale Milano 2009-10 - Campioni d'Europa!!!! - Page 12 Icon_twisted

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