Italy v France who will progress

Shouldn't u add Romania

no

I just dont want France

Fey wrote:no

Why not ?

Italy. Toni will have a field day tomorrow.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Fey wrote:no

Why not ?

Cause we dont have a B-team!!

Besides its in the stars to lose the semi, against Italy or France!

I want Italy but think France.

I think France will create more opportunites - will they be more clinical? that is the question, IF Vieira plays and is fit enough to make a difference that could be the key.... perhaps one of the frenchies can update us on his situation.

Surely he has to go for it, my observation is that (although i don't particularly think hes a good footballer allbeit a half decent finisher Trezeguet you could argue would at least bag a goal with a chance) is that they have no real potent goal threat upfront, Henry has been pants since his wife left him, Benzema looks for me as though he is too eager and isn't relaxed, Gomez? has just been awful.

So its difficult, i can see Toni scoring, or Delp for example.... but can't see where Frances goals will come from based on their current players...

Ribery is key for me, he will have to impose himself in the way he has been, but create more real chances / opportunities.

Voted Italy but think Romania will beat the Dutch 1-0 and they deserve to go through far more than Italy or France do

Juligen wrote:I just dont want France

So you don't like France but you like Germany. Ok, i see what side you're on. I see what's going on.

It will be down to which manager is more $h!t, Domenech or Donadoni?

Romania

Romania

Mutu will get his redemption

Kimbo wrote:

Juligen wrote:I just dont want France

So you don't like France but you like Germany. Ok, i see what side you're on. I see what's going on.

I dont like the French, have to admit and i dont buy the but they play beautiful Cr@p, the game against Romania was horrible

Fey wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Fey wrote:no

Why not ?

Cause we dont have a B-team!!

Besides its in the stars to lose the semi, against Italy or France!

You do realise that Romania can lose and still go through?

Let me try and explain how this works:

Scenario 1. If Romania win, they go through, the result of the other game does not matter

Scenario 2. If Romania draw with Holland, then:
a)if France win, they go through
b)if Italy win, they go through
c)If Italy and France have a draw, then Romania go through

Scenario 3: If Romania lose to Holland by 3 goals or less (except 3-0)
a)if France win, they go through
b)if Italy win, they go through
c)if Italy and France have a goalless draw, Romania go through
d)if Italy and France have a score draw, Italy go through

Scenario 4: If Romania lose to Holland 3-0 or by more than 3 goals
a)if France win, they go through
b)if Italy win, they go through
c)if Italy and France have a draw, Italy go through

So most likely, Romania are goin through!!

bluenine wrote:

Fey wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Fey wrote:no

Why not ?

Cause we dont have a B-team!!

Besides its in the stars to lose the semi, against Italy or France!

You do realise that Romania can lose and still go through?

Let me try and explain how this works:

Scenario 1. If Romania win, they go through, the result of the other game does not matter

Scenario 2. If Romania draw with Holland, then:
a)if France win, they go through
b)if Italy win, they go through
c)If Italy and France have a draw, then Romania go through

Scenario 3: If Romania lose to Holland by 3 goals or less (except 3-0)
a)if France win, they go through
b)if Italy win, they go through
c)if Italy and France have a goalless draw, Romania go through
d)if Italy and France have a score draw, Italy go through

Scenario 4: If Romania lose to Holland 3-0 or by more than 3 goals
a)if France win, they go through
b)if Italy win, they go through
c)if Italy and France have a draw, Italy go through

So most likely, Romania are goin through!!

Christ Blue, those are some options!!

Well Holland its through, thats for sure!

Should be a good game, since both teams need to win

Italy - 16/1 to win the comp....im very tempted cos on their day they can beat anyone!

Sgoater1 wrote:Italy - 16/1 to win the comp....im very tempted cos on their day they can beat anyone!

Can't see where the supply for the goals will come from, unless Cassano starts and plays well each game. I also think their back line defence can be 'got at' not the same menacing defence they had a few years ago (Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro)

Romania should really fancy their chances here.

They are playing a team:

-that doesn't have to win or get any kind of result to top the group
-that would love to see two big names go out (who could still be a threat to them later in the comp despite their convincing wins)

So Romania will be up against a team not just with no incentive to win but with an actual incentive to lose, who they've beaten recently in the past and know how to deal with.

Oh...and they're playing against their ressies.

People should cut out the France/Italy debate as if it could only be those two. I'd say theres at least a 50% chance that Romania will beat Holland tomorrow

Fey wrote:

Besides its in the stars to lose the semi, against Italy or France!

Spoken like a true Dutchman

Romania will go through. I don't think there will be a miracle. Italy-France will end up as a draw, so I guess if Romania fails to win Italy will go through.

.. and that will be the end of the Domenech c**t area.. Hopefully. He so much hated anyway in France because of his bizarre tactics, selections and stupid and childish comments in the media. Bring on D. Deschamps!!

Alive and Kicking wrote:.. and that will be the end of the Domenech c**t area.. Hopefully. He so much hated anyway in France because of his bizarre tactics, selections and stupid and childish comments in the media. Bring on D. Deschamps!!

I'd give it him too!

Rasiak-9 wrote:Romania should really fancy their chances here.

They are playing a team:

-that doesn't have to win or get any kind of result to top the group
-that would love to see two big names go out (who could still be a threat to them later in the comp despite their convincing wins)

So Romania will be up against a team not just with no incentive to win but with an actual incentive to lose, who they've beaten recently in the past and know how to deal with.

Oh...and they're playing against their ressies.

People should cut out the France/Italy debate as if it could only be those two. I'd say theres at least a 50% chance that Romania will beat Holland tomorrow

Exactly. Infact if you ask me, its about 66% chance that Romania go through.... and about 33% chance that its Italy/France

romania to draw and go through after france and italy draw

the italians to claim a conspiracy against them (like there is every time they don't win

I see a slight chance for italy based mainly on them having a decent keeper while the french don't, and if they play cassano more than the last 15 mins. Toni has been pants for me and I'd even drop him if I was in charge (of course he'll now go and score a hat-trick

whoever does go through will most likely lose to spain anyway

I can't see Italy or France to draw.... It is not writen in the stars....

So..... France are through!

RicardoJol wrote:I can't see Italy or France to draw.... It is not writen in the stars....

So..... France are through!

are these the same stars that domenech is using, hasn't really worked out so far for him has it?

110% wrote:
whoever does go through will most likely lose to spain anyway

Well, I beg to differ. If France or Italy go through, IMO they are likely to beat the Spanish. Even Romania will give Spain a bigger contest that they have had so far, and could beat them.

Its not that I don't rate the Spanish... just think that a quality opposition will expose their defence. And Ita/Fra/Rom are all better than the 3 teams in Spain's group.

110% wrote:

RicardoJol wrote:I can't see Italy or France to draw.... It is not writen in the stars....

So..... France are through!

are these the same stars that domenech is using, hasn't really worked out so far for him has it?

The answer I give you after the match tonight